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Sunday, October 18, 2009

PROPOSED LAW WILL BAN OUTSIDE WOOD BOILERS IN PA

Under proposed regulations, this outside wood boiler would
have to have a 50 foot chimney in order to continue it's use


New Regs Outlaw Outside Boilers

By James Jones

The Environmental Quality Board of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania today published new regulations which will for all intents and purposes ban Outdoor Wood Fired Boilers in the Commonwealth.


The regulations will prohibit selling, buying, gifting or installing any Outside Wood Boiler that does not meet regulations set by the board. In addition, they must have a permanently attached chimney which rises at least two feet above the top of any neighboring house within 500 feet of the Outside Wood Boiler. The chimney must be two feet above your own house if it is within 150 feet of the boiler.

In addition, no outside wood boiler can be installed within 150 feet of a property line. Existing boilers must meet the chimney requirements in order to continue use.

Fuel for the boilers is limited to clean wood.

The proposed regulations have been published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. Comments regarding the proposed Outside Wood Burner regulations can be filed, and testimony at 4 hearing locations in the Commonwealth: Harrisburg, Cranberry Township, Wilkes Barre, and Williamsport will give every Pennsylvanian an opportunity to express their opinion on these regulations.

The complete text of the proposed regulations can be found online HERE.

Outside Wood Boiler users have invested thousands of dollars in their boilers and associated heating accessories to provide safe, affordable, and even heating in their homes. The incidents of home structure fires has taken a drastic drop as there is no fire in the home itself.

With the economy in the shape it is, rural Pennsylvanians have sought out ways to keep warm, after skyrocketing natural gas prices made home heating unattainable. With electric bills scheduled to double next year, affordable heating may be unattainable for poorer working families in Pennsylvania. Reverting back to interior wood stoves is certain to result in many fire deaths that could be avoided with the Outside Wood Boilers.

All comments and testimony must be submitted before January 4, 2010, after which time the regulations may be adopted.

This may be a very cold winter for many of us in Pennsylvania as our heating systems are made useless and even against the law to sell them to recoup our investment.

94 comments :

Ryan said...

What a bunch of bull.This state is such a joke

Anonymous said...

And along comes our government again. In their infinite wisdom, one law/rule pertains to all. These rules and regulation may work well in Philly or Pittsburgh where folks with a 1/4 acre or less install an OWB and the smoke blows into their neighbors window. But for Gods sake people, I can't see my neighbors house, nor can can I smell their OWB. I think I will go and reload more ammunition. The armed revolution in this country is coming and I want to be ready.

Anonymous said...

its about time.Iam so glad that these will be banned from use this will save so many wonderful trees.and clear the sky from all that smoke and smell. it is only a matter of time and we will get rid of the burn barrels. and inside wood burners too. thank god! that the dems are in control of the country now, things are so much better now. dems. know whats best for you and your family.because you dont. we are on the edge of a wonderful age in this country. I look forward to them making all my decisions for me and for you. comrades together we can make everyone and everything equal in this country and you wont even have to try.join us.look what we have done in N.Y. and in California. life in these places is wonderful.follow us blindly and you wony be sorry.

Anonymous said...

If you live in town surrounded by other homes, then yes by all means regulate them and make them have higher stacks, if not, letitgo!

Regulated to death for the public utility companies is what I see going on here. Let us all remember the commonwealth of pa gets state tax on gas and electric bills every month, only sales tax ONCE when you purchase your outdoor wood boiler. Yes, this is the reason for regulations so do not kid yourselves for one minute here. Guess they are not thinking of the state tax revenue they are receiving by having your firewood trucked (lots of state tax paid in by the trucker), gas for your chain saw and or wood splitter, and on the electric bill used to run the pump!

Anonymous said...

Must be PPL is whining already!!!

Anonymous said...

I don't own one but this is an other problem we have in this country with our freedoms going down hill. The building permit is complete farce that cost everyone money. It will come a day when we will have to take this country back they are not using any common sense

Anonymous said...

what a bunch of legal,red tape B/S
"maybe EPA would like a smoke stack
stuffed where the sun doesn't shine" Make noise & be sure you are heard

Anonymous said...

This is BULL**** Don't the lawmakers have anything better to work on?? Like saving taxpayer money? They must be in kahootz with the gas & elec. Companies. Time to write to them & get this stopped.

Anonymous said...

what more do you want us hard working people to do? we, the workers have gone to wood stoves because we can't afford to pay the high utility bills. I think it is down right bs. There are hundreds of us hard workers that have gone to wood stoves because that's all we can afford, we are all trying very hard just to keep afloat, you all need to start thinking about us just a little bit more and not just yourself. Outside boilers are about as safe as they can get. We can see what's going on, because everyone has gone to these different types of boilers, it's pissing the electric and gas off cause they're loosing out on business. Quit letting them line their pockets and the world would be much better off.

Anonymous said...

Are the sheep not buying enough Arab oil?

How many oil lobbyists do you think are behind this one?

Anonymous said...

that is the best thing this governor has done yet potter county resident

Anonymous said...

Woodstove cops....hmmm where do I apply?

Anonymous said...

well must be you have the money not to have to worry about paying the high utility bills, we are all working hard and the money still isnt going far enough for most of us people. all people like you do is think about yourself.

Anonymous said...

must be the companies that make these stoves have not lined the right pockets with gobs of money and they are getting even

Anonymous said...

all pa whats is you to do what thay say the h---

Anonymous said...

yes we can ! yes we can ! this is all part of obamas going green plan !hope you can pay the gas & electric bills that are going up by 3 to 4 times!

Anonymous said...

Good we do not need wood smoke in town want to burn wood go live in the woods

Anonymous said...

Frankly I love the smell of wood burning on a cold morning.

Beats the hell out of Philly city smog Mr. Rendell...so go ahead and stick it where the sun doesn't shine you crooked self serving politicians whining and dining on your pocket padded money from the Arabs and corporate pigs.

Anonymous said...

When do we as FREE AMERICAN CITIZENS say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?????????

Anonymous said...

must be one of the potter co so and so that are against wind turbines also move back south of 80 where you probably came from

Take the Country Back said...

Be willing to go to court before a jury of your peers and let the jury nullify the law.

http://fija.org/

The primary function of the independent juror is not, as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from tyrannical abuses of power by government. The constitution guarantees you the right to trial by jury. That means that the government must bring its case before a jury of The People if government wants to deprive any person of life, liberty, or property. Jurors can say no to government tyranny by refusing to convict.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3249614491798299109#

Jury Duty - History13:14 - 8 months ago
The primary function of the independent juror is not, as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from tyrannical abuses of power by government. The Right of Juries to Judge of the Justice of Laws. SECTION I. For more than six hundred years that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215 there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of, such laws. Unless such be the right and duty of jurors, it is plain that, instead of juries being a palladium of liberty a barrier against the tyranny and oppression of the government they are really mere tools in its hands, for carrying into execution any injustice and oppression it may desire to have executed. But for their right to judge the law, and the justice of the law, juries would be no protection to an accused person, even as to matters of fact; for, if the government can dictate to a jury any law whatever, in a criminal case, it can certainly dictate to them the laws of evidence. That is, it can dictate what evidence is admissible, and what inadmissible, and also what force or weight is to be given to the evidence admitted. And if the government can thus dictate to a jury the laws of evidence, it can not only make it necessary for them to convict on a partial exhibition of the evidence rightfully pertaining to the case, but it can even require them to convict on any evidence whatever that it pleases to offer them. That the rights and duties of jurors must necessarily be such as are here claimed for them, will be evident when it is considered what the trial by jury is, and what is its object. www.fija.org
The primary function of the independent juror is not, as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from tyrannical abuses of power by government. The Right of Juries to Judge of the Justice of Laws. SECTION I. For more than six hundred years that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215 there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of, such laws. Unless such be the right and duty of jurors, it is plain that, instead of juries being a palladium of liberty a barrier against the tyranny and oppress.







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Anonymous said...

I think its time we banned together. Commonwealth means to lowest form of government which our municipal officials. I have no direct neighbors and own several acres and my smoke bothers no one! I have made the investment to have outside heat and the fire protection for my home! Get a life and lets stand up for our rights. In the boros I can understand when houses are close but really what next you gonna do my grocery shopping.

Anonymous said...

"Clean wood" Remember to wash all wood before burning it in your stoves. LOL

Anonymous said...

Most State Officials are MOORONS, this just proves it again.

Anonymous said...

We are headed for a revolution. It is about time the working people stand up for their rights.They need to start now. We have outdoor burners because we can't afford to pay the gas and electric bills. The working people do not get help or complete payment of their bills like the welfare people do. This country the people that make it are the rich and the people on welfare. I am not against welfare or helping people but I am tired of going to work everyday and seeing my neighbor sitting in his recliner enjoying his coffee and then doing thing that I can't even do. There is too much misuse of the system. What would happen to this country if every working man decided to stay home from work for one day. It would put this country in a bigger mess but maybe it working put the working man in control. Probably the people that are complaining about the wood stoves are big smokers. This is just another regulation to control. Probably one of the big wigs friends need a state job so they would put him in as inspector.

Anonymous said...

65% increase in PA elec in Jan 2010.

Anonymous said...

this is a bunch of crap!! I wish i had one to heat my house with. How do you cry babys think your greatgrandparents heated there house? Ah with wood i think. for one i like the smell of wood smoke. the next thing the GOV will probally do is charge you on how many times you take a dump.

Anonymous said...

Charge you for how many times you take a dump?
That is called Boro Sewer.

Anonymous said...

They'll be taxing the air we breathe next.

Anonymous said...

Republicans remember deregulation, favor the free ecomomy (favor Big Business), Deregulating utilitiy companines has led to higher costs for the common man nand larger profits for the industry. To us common people becareful what all politians promise because we the common man pay in the end.

Anonymous said...

3:09 No, the water used while dumping is called Boro sewer. The dumping can & will be billed separately in the near future.

Anonymous said...

if pp dont like wood smole the can go to will in town is put heads that is the ones that talks abut the smoke thay are the ones that is the ones that got the proble the juge born with wood

Anonymous said...

as stated above, the answer is in the jury.

Bad Laws are nullified by Good People.

Anonymous said...

'Republicans remember deregulation, favor the free ecomomy (favor Big Business), Deregulating utilitiy companines has led to higher costs for the common man nand larger profits for the industry. To us common people becareful what all politians promise because we the common man pay in the end.'

Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:58:00 PM EDT

You are dead wrong 3:58:00 PM. The reason our energy prices continue to skyrocket is that Obama and his dems will not allow drilling for oil, building nuclear plants or refineries, or any other common sense approach to end our dependence on foreign oil. It is time to begin the "Second Revolution" Begin by burning papers outside or burning wood to heat your home. After you get arrested, demand a jury trial. No jury will convict you. It will take up the Commonwealth's time and reources, and these acts of civil disobedience will grow bigger and bigger If we patriots refuse to give in to big brother.

Anonymous said...

me and my husband and our son sometime use wood it is a nice smale you city people need to smile it some time you mite like it

Anonymous said...

If Rendell doesn't succeed in banning outdoor wood burning furnaces and burn barrels....the Federal Government will. Remember Cap and Trade and Al Gore and his warnings about the dire consequences of globabl warming?
After they send our industries to China and India where they can still burn coal, our Federal government will be after the rest of us who are polluting the air. I assure you, wood smoke pollutes the air and contributes to global warming....so it won't be long until the EPA czar will be coming after you, too. By the way, did you notice the extreme heat we had to suffer through this summer because of the globabl warming that Al Gore has warned the world about....and which has made him a VERY rich man??????

Anonymous said...

My parents put up with one of these for about 6 years. They lived in town on a back street and own about 1.5 acres of land surrounding their home. The smell was terrible and my parents dealt with sinus problems because of this outdoor wood burner. Had they just burned regular wood in their stove, I'm sure it would have been less of a problem, but they were burning treated lumber and other junk. We lived with them for a few months during the winter and every stunk because of this one outdoor wood stove. I love the smell of regular wood burning. It's actually comforting, but some people just aren't that thoughtful toward their neighbors.

Anonymous said...

"After you get arrested, demand a jury trial. No jury will convict you"

It's not about the wood burning, it's about people control. Forget the left-right paradigm.

It has run you around in circles arguing against yourselves about who is better democrats or republicans and gotten you absolutly NOWHERE. wise up, it's exactly what they want you to do.

The jury didn't convict william Penn, They stopped convicting whisky drinkers during prohibition and help end it and they stopped conviction objections during the Vietnam police action which helped end it.

Hope to buy 5:48 & 10:25 a beer someday, if they imbibe.

How about a show of hands to see how many people read and watched the video talked about in the jury post.

The jury is a powerful tool that stands between the people and government.

Anonymous said...

This is an Obamanation!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Right now there are 37 comments to this post, almost all against this ban but I would bet that maybe 1 person has called or written their elected official(s) in regards to this issue. Wake up, complaining here does no good. You must contact your representative and hold them accountable, make them aware of your voice and demand that you are heard and represented.

Anonymous said...

OK I will quit burning wood and go to coal See how they like that SMOKE.

Anonymous said...

we are losing our rights! this is so wrong.

Anonymous said...

This is a huge crock. I live on 15 acres my neareste neighbor is about a half a mile away. Do you seriously think that anyone can smell it or cares when everyone around me all 5 of my neighbors even care. What a joke this country has become.

Bigoltreehuginneiborhater said...

ATTN : All woodburning freaks!! Keep your smoke on your own land! I dont want it on mine Thanx

Anonymous said...

you people who dont like wood smoke think about this as you lay down to go to sleep at night one of the biggest killers in winter is carbon monoxide from your gas generated furnises now sleep tight

walter said...

Just more of big brother being forced upon us in the guise of (it's for your own good).

Why dont the state keep ist medling nose out of the peoples business.

Anonymous said...

Poster10-18@5:48....
That was funny!!!No drilling???!!!Thought that's what everyone has been complaining about..Too much drilling.Now our stoves are more important...

Anonymous said...

Would now be a good time to point out that this piece of legislation was proposed, and lobbyed heavily for, by the natural gas producers and distributers? Just a little bit of info on the "qt" for y'all to chew on.

Anonymous said...

This again shows that people only care about what affects them and nothing else. People need to band together and fight any regulaztion
that is negative to WE THE PEOPLE.
Make your thoughts known

Anonymous said...

This entire idea is insane. This should be a town by town or township by township decision. (if it should even be discussed) To apply a law like this statewide is like having the speed limit be 65 state wide. It just doesn't apply everywhere and so it shouldn't even be considered at the state level.

Anonymous said...

with those of you who dont have health problems you can yell all you want but us who do dont want that smoke and they burn them all year and you can not open your windows for fresh air because of that smoke and as others have said we need to regulate it some how. if not in town or have houses near ok. do what ever

Dawn said...

Thats fine with me, as long as they want to pay my $700 plus a month gas bill to that RIP OFF gas company! This is all about the gas company complaining that they cant rip us off and that the government cant tax our wood! I refuse to get rid of mine either way unless they are paying for my heat! I own my property, so I dont give a shit. And I have 2 acres of land, my neighbors are not with in spitting distance!

Anonymous said...

if the stack on the wood burner is not up high enough in the air, it comes in the neighbors windows. Any most of you don't always burn wood.

Anonymous said...

dawon, you are 100% correct. Everything you said, how would they like to pay for our gas bills, that would never happen, why cuz we work to hard for our money, and its not given to us.

Anonymous said...

"me and my husband and our son sometime use wood it is a nice smale you city people need to smile it some time you mite like it"

Seriously? It's no damn wonder everyone outside Potter County thinks we're all ignorant rednecks.

Thanks for the support, but do people realize they sometimes do more harm than good when speaking?

Anonymous said...

"with those of you who dont have health problems you can yell all you want but us who do dont want that smoke and they burn them all year and you can not open your windows for fresh air because of that smoke and as others have said we need to regulate it some how. if not in town or have houses near ok. do what ever"

Now that just takes the cake....critisizing burning wood b/c of health problems??? Do you have any freaking idea what drilling for oil does to the environment? Do you have any idea what it takes to produce electricity?

I assure you the electric you use produces many more harmful substances in our environment than burning wood does!

Anonymous said...

Is the problem really the wood smoke (can be taken care by the installation of a scrubber, or is it because the wood is a reasonable priced fuel?

Anonymous said...

Lyle Dynda Says

BULL SHIT.......

Anonymous said...

im a radneck and dam prud of it we can born wood and its abut 300 a year

Jamie said...

Honestly someone would actually complain about wood burning in as "rural" as an area as this is. I guess I wish I had more time on my hands so I could tell everyone else what they should and shouldn't do. My husband and I have a outside woodburning boiler...it is a great way to heat our house while we are trying to raise 4 kids.

Hello!!! We live in the PA Wilds.
We burn wood..

Anonymous said...

I just called Marty Causers office to complain and I can't believe that I was the first call of the day on this matter. C'mon folks......pick up the phone!!!!!!

Solomon's words for the wise said...

This is an exclusive story in Solomon's words, I am contacting other regional newspapers now to spread the word. You readers are the first to know about this in PA.
Jim

Anonymous said...

Is it too much to ask that you extend the Chimney so the smoke doesn't blow into your neighbors house. I live in rubbertown and there is one there that burns coal, I can't even open my windows when the weather gets nice because it STINKS. I have 2 children with asthma and had to buy an air cleaner for each room so they could breath. Have a little consideration for those who live near you people!!!

Kathy said...

Folks, Electronic Comments regarding this proposed rule making may be submitted electronically to
the Board at RegComments@state.pa.us and must also be received by the Board by January 4, 2010. I'll note that the public hearing dates are right in the middle of hunting season too (probably NOT coincidence)!! Read the proposed rule making, then let the board know precisely what you think!

Anonymous said...

Folks, PA isn't saying you can't burn wood. Why are so many of you saying that. Didn't you read the article? They are trying to make outdoor wood burners become accountable to neighbors. Everyone has the right to be able to breath clean air. My neighbor put one in on my property line. My house is on a ten foot rise from his. I was at level with the exhaust of his chimney. My house was completely engulfed in smoke at least 50% of the time. I can't even say how many times I jumped out of bed thinking my house was on fire.
I went everywhere I could think of for help, the town, the county and the state level. There was nothing in place to protect me from the toxic air I was breathing.
I finally had to pay a lawyer just to get him to raise the chimney. It is much better but not great. I suffer from allergies because of it and have to be on regular medication almost as soon as he starts burning.
I could care less if someone burns wood but unfortunately there needs to be laws in place to protect the rest of the people. It is obvious no one else is going to do it. their own.
Smell good??? Try living in a chimney.

Therese said...

Hey Jim could you bump this story up to the top of Solomn's Word again please

Anonymous said...

We all need to realize just how much safer the wood stoves are outside as to them being inside. There's been a whole lot less fires since these have come about. People can actually sleep at night knowing that they are safe. Most of us use them to save much needed money for some other important thing that our lives bring about. What ever the reason may be, we should be able to have the right to put a wood stove on our property that we have worked so hard to get and need i mention paying the taxes. But i must say this isn't about safety, because if that were the case you would be more worried about the ones that are inside the homes. Where has our freedom gone by the way? This isn't about safety nor is it about protecting others, it's all about the higher ups worried about all the money they're losing because of the high cost in utilities they have brought upon us. Us hard working people have a right to be angry whether you agree with us or not.

Anonymous said...

5:28 why should I have to build a permanent chimney? I have no neighbors within sight or smelling distance. One law does not fit all. Contact your local city, township, or borough and plead with them to enact an ordinance. A statewide rule should not affect me the same as it does somebody that has a neighbor 50' away. We should all do as kathy 4:54 suggests and email the board.

Why? said...

You people posting because of health problems I can understand how you feel and why.

That being said then why not just regulate the height of the chimney? Why go overboard with the rules and regulations like the good ole government ALL WAYS DOES!

"The regulations will prohibit selling, buying, gifting or installing any Outside Wood Boiler that does not meet regulations set by the board."...WHY? Let the new owner of the stove meet the new regulations!

"The chimney must be two feet above your own house if it is within 150 feet of the boiler."...WHY? If you have no neighbors what difference does it make?


"Existing boilers must meet the chimney requirements in order to continue use."...Again, WHY, if you have NO neighbors why does this matter?!

This is why most people like myself get pissed about being OVER regulated, so glad our government knows what is better for me than I do!

I agree with an earlier poster that stated the regulations should be made by the township/city/boro, not the state. Some of us do not have neighbors for MILES, not right next door!

Anonymous said...

if you dont like it move to ny state.

Anonymous said...

Electronic Comment—Comments may be submitted electronically to the Board at RegComments@state.pa.us and must also be received by the Board by January 4, 2010. A subject heading of the proposal and a return name and address must be included in each transmission. If the sender does not receive an acknowledgement of electronic comments within 2 working days, the comments should be retransmitted to the Board to ensure receipt.

Send them your comments, thoughs and some advise, I did. Now we will see if I receive an acknowledgement within 2 business days, if not I WILL RESEND IT!

Anonymous said...

My neighbors burn tires, copper, plastic, garbage, carpets, mattresses and all kinds of other nasty shit right in a hole in thier back yard, I breath tat shit all the time, and the DEP has came and gone, no one does anything about that shit, so I really DO NOT care if they smell my wood burning!

Why not worry more about people on SSI and Welfare that CAN work but do not because the rest of us do so they can sit on welfare and have a bunch of babies for US to support! Maybe if they made some of the lazy asses get a job, we wouldnt be in the situation we are now with our economy!!!!! They eat better on welfare, full medical AND they mostly drive better vehicles than the working people do...... Whats wrong with that picture? If you are a working person and your back hurts.....tough shit, suffer, but get your ass to work so the people on welfare who have a sore back can see a specialist for it!

Takes a real brain to figure that out now dont it! GOOOO OBAHMA!

Anonymous said...

This should be a local issue not a state wide issue. I live on 182 acres, the 3 houses down the valley all have burners as I do as well as the farm up on the ridge. I burn wood only and my smoke dissipates before hitting another dwelling. It is less than 150 feet from my house and the only thing bordering the direction the smoke moves is the ridge farms lower pasture the cattle graze from time to time. The state is worried about smoke blowing in my own house since my burner is only 45 feet from my house? I would have to put a 50 foot chimney or so on the burner to clear my roof and there is nothing to anchor it too. You can make a law in this state like this and expect one size to fit all. Let the locals decide. In town it may be something to look at, where I'm at it's down right ridiculous.

And notice it is being done through regulations and not a law so it does not have to be voted on by House or Senate. It will be in "code" but not "statute".

Anonymous said...

IRS Guidance on Tax Credit for Purchase of Biomass Stoves
On June 1, 2009, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) finally issued its guidance for the 30% consumer tax credit (up to $1500) for the purchase and installation of a 75-percent efficient biomass-burning stove.

In a letter to the IRS in February 2009, HPBA asked for specific guidance on a number of issues, but we are confident that this minimal guidance is sufficient. We understand that the IRS is not asking for further testing if a stove manufacturer has already self-certified using valid test data.
Some important points of the tax credit are:

To be considered, a stove must use the burning of biomass fuel to heat a dwelling unit or to heat water for use in such a dwelling unit, and have a thermal efficiency rating of at least 75% as measured using a lower heating value;

Installation is covered, as long as it is a requirement for the stove’s proper and safe functioning;

This consumer tax credit is 30% (up to $1500) for the purchase and installation of a 75% efficient stove, and is available in both 2009 and 2010;

The tax credit is an aggregate, i.e., the total $1500 can include other energy efficient items. For instance, if a consumer claims $900 on a new stove, then he will have $600 to purchase additional energy saving products in the same tax year;

If a taxpayer uses the entire $1500 tax credit on a competing product then they cannot use it for a biomass stove in that same tax year;

This credit applies only to existing principle residences;

Manufacturers must provide a certificate of qualification for each product as required in the guidance which can be obtained for the customer to use;

Taxpayers must retain the certification statement for tax recordkeeping purposes, but the certification is not required to be attached to the tax return;

Prior purchases made between January 1, 2009, and June 1, 2009 are covered if the manufacturer offers a certificate of qualification for the product;

If a manufacturer has documentation that a stove has already achieved the required efficiency rating, no further testing is required;

The IRS has not stated that inserts are covered, or are not covered, but based on EPA’s practice of treating inserts and freestanding biomass stoves in a similar fashion, manufacturers may choose to include inserts.

Anonymous said...

A neighbor installing an outside woodburner is no different than a neighbor putting up wind turbines. Both will affect the neighboring properties values, comfort, etc. yet some people have no issues with the wind turbines. Seems like the same thing to me and as many on here have said, "it's the owner's property to do whatever they want to with it" so for all of you crying boo hoo about a neighbor's woodburner being too close to your house, oh well. It is what it is.

Anonymous said...

@8:59

The key difference is a wind turbine does not have an impact on the air quality. I am not supporting the legislation, only making an observation about your post.

Anonymous said...

Your water wells will be next folks and this is not an OBAMA issue AT ALL. He's got alot more important issues to deal with. It's just life as we all know it. Consider yourselves fortunate that no one has "disturbed" out simple way of life before this, but it's comin' and has been, long before OBAMA was elected. It's not a democratic/republican or any other party thing either. It's all about regulation and laws and keeping the rich rich. They've got to have some sort of papers to keep pushing.

I think along with HealthCare reform, we also need regulation on these utility companies so that they can't just jack the rates up whenever they feel like it.

And whatever happened to these companies who laid claim to land to drill for oil/gas around here and they've never returned. That kind of makes me wonder if that wasn't some sort of ploy to keep the locals from tapping into our resources ourselves and making a profit off of where we live.

In regard to wood burning, I don't have a wood stove, but what concerns me is the amount of trees which get cut from our forests for this purpose. Mind you, I know the logging industry is very important to our area and I'd like to think that they replant, but hopefully they're doing it the right way, but I suspect that many folks who have their own woodstoves, buy the wood from folks who might not be so eco-friendly.

Pennsylvania is so far behind so many other states as far as what we can and can't do. We've been fortunate so far, but I don't suspect we'll go untouched for much longer. And again, these things have been in the works for years, we just either ignored it or didn't hear about it.

Anonymous said...

All in all, wind turbines/outside wood stoves apparently impact the neighboring properties whether they affect air quality or any other quality. If restrictions are good for one, they should be good for the other.

Anonymous said...

To:10-20-09@10:35am...The gas companys WILL be back,as you said,"they laid claim" They paid out millions of dollars in leases here.Most for 5 years...

Anonymous said...

The noise from the turbines will not bother me nor will the smell of wood smoke!

Anonymous said...

So with this stupid regulation wat about an indoor wood boiler that the chimney doesnt go above roof tops. There is an easy fix to this stupid reg and that is to put a simple block building around your woodboiler and put a metal roof on it and now it isnt an outdoor woodboiler it is an indoor woodboiler so now those regs dont apply i know this for a fact because emporium has banneds outdoor so i know someone that put one i n then ended up putting a building around and there was nothing they could do to him. They may try to beat us down but we the people will always prevail.

Solomon's words for the wise said...

Read the proposed regulation. They've already covered those bases. Unless your OWB is in a habitated house, it will not be allowed. The big problem with the rule is that it wold require a 50 foot chimney in most cases...a major engineering feat to keep it up there...would need a crane to set it.

Anonymous said...

Must be Rendell is going in the chimney business once he is out. Lets see so all the houses in Pitt, Phila, harrisburg and so forth are going to have some tall chimneys with all the big biuldings around them. And if this doesn't apply to fireplaces then screw them. How many boy scouts does it take to carry a 50 foot chimney for their campfire. It is about time we had some reprentation around here. We elect dummies and pay them to much. Maybe we need to cut some salaries and then tell them they can't burn wood.

Anonymous said...

Is the state going to be liable for these 50 foot extentions when the come tumbling down from our strong wind storms as well as wet snow storms?

We here in the sticks experience much different weather than the cities do. Maybe some of these "book smart" idiots we pay to regulate US for OUR own good should pack their bags and move on up here in the hills for a year or two!

Anonymous said...

You people need to reread the article.
A. The height of the chimney depends on how close it is to a house.
B. The attitude many of you have taken just further supports the need for regulations to protect people. It is unfortunate but true. The attitude many of you harbor of I'll do what I want boo hoo for you is the whole point. No one should treat their neighbor like that about anything let alone something as toxicly obnoxious as a wood furnace.
Shame on you people.

Anonymous said...

I guess I will have to move the wood burner to the chicken house. That way it will be inhabited.

Anonymous said...

"No one should treat their neighbor like that about anything let alone something as toxicly obnoxious as a wood furnace." Boo hoo yourself, not all of us have neighbors so the regulations should not be blanket reg's! Let the townships and boro's set the regulations that their tax payers live in. I have no neighbors so I should not have to comply with the height of the stack but if this passes the way it is written I will have to spend more money to comply with a bullcrap regulation!

Anonymous said...

To those of you who like the smell of wood smoke.
Most people enjoy sitting around a campfire. I don't know anyone who likes to sit in the smoke when it is blowing in your face. There is a huge difference.

Anonymous said...

Interesting as a nation we are going to stop arresting so called medical marijuana users and turn citizen into criminals who are trying to fill a basic need, heat.
Civil Disobedience is the answer

Anonymous said...

Actually, they are soliciting comment, and have a public hearing in Williamsport on Dec 3. SEND THEM YOUR COMMENTS - IT'S THE ONLY WAY IT WILL BE STOPPED OR CHANGED.

One of the things they are particularly interested in hearing is whether to ban their use in summer (May - Sept), for those who like cold showers. It came as a result of a lot of complaints sent to DEP (primarily from people in boroughs whose neighbors were using them to burn trash). How would they enforce such a thing? DEP would have to rely on your neighbor to rat you out.

Anonymous said...

Two weeks ago I would have agreed that the government should stay out of this matter, but within the last week my neihbor installed an OWB(outdoor wood boiler)within 90 feet of my house. The very next day I went out to hang up Christmas lights and the smoke was so bad it burnt my eyes, made me lightheaded and nausiated. Unless you are affected by one of these OWB then you really don't have much to comment on. When the wind blows a certain way we can even smell it in our house. I have checked local and state laws on this matter, and there is none as of yet. I also contacted DEP, and they are investigating the matter, but I don't think this is going to go to far. I definately think they have there place, but it is not 90 feet from my house, maybe out somewhere, where someone has 5 or 10 acres to themselves, and don't affect anyone elses health and well being.

Anonymous said...

Is there anybody left in government that cares about the freedom of the people.

Anonymous said...

What a joke. The governor is an idiot. My OWB doesn't put out smoke like all the pictures that I see. Actually less than a woodstove. God damn tree huggers should have a tree fall on them.

Anonymous said...

I see this is an old thread, but I am going to comment on it anyway.
I have no problem with these outdoor wood burning stoves, except when they are used by people who live in areas that are close to others. Picture this, I live on top of a small hill, and we have a person living in the valley who has one of these wood burning outdoor stoves. All around this person in the valley, are homes on all sides, except one. Depending on the wind, or no wind, someone gets smoked out. Laws governing the height of the chimney, would not matter in this case, because the chimney would have to be 200' tall or so for this man in the valley! The smoke gets so bad at times, that it makes going outside, out of the question. Cars driving on the road even get this smoke into the interior of the cars. When no wind blows, it becomes completely a health hazard to go outside.
I do not want to be a bad neighbor, but this smoke is really getting to me! It is getting to the point that one of these days, or years, I will say something. I will make a formal complaint, and see that laws are made to keep these monsters out of valleys, that have others living nearby. Summertime is bad when he loads up that wood-stove. When no air goes, it gets real bad.
Sorry, but like I said, I am not against these stoves, but just like cigarette smokers, we need to respect others air, and this thing invades my fresh air on my property. About 20 other homes are affected by this monster in the valley. I have no idea if anyone ever complained about it. But if not, the day surely is coming soon.
Its not so bad during the cold months, but I am getting tired of not being able to open my windows during the summer. This guy is saving money at his neighbors expense, causing health concerns that could be very harmful to them, and myself.
I have an electric water heater, and it does not cost that much to make hot water! This man uses that burner to make his hot water in the summer. with all the work of loading, splitting, cutting hauling that wood, it cannot save him that much money in the summer. Turn that thing off during the summer. It pollutes my space, and others around it. Makes me sick. Now I have chest pain from time to time... and I suspect the villain is the nice big ole monster of a wood stove. Maybe I should send him my medical bills, since he saves so much money... he can help pay for my medical bills!
Thanks for letting me share..