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Sunday, March 7, 2010

Harrison Valley Man Shot Dead By Troopers After Standoff

Man Fired Multitude Of Shots At Troopers
A Harrison Valley man was shot dead by a Pennsylvania State Police Special Emergency Response Team member Sunday afternoon at his residence, after a standoff with troopers that started at 9:46 am and lasted into mid afternoon.

Joshua Wheeler, 30, of 200 School Street, Harrison Valley, PA, was killed.

At 9:46 am on Sunday, the Pennsylvania State Police station at Coudersport received a call reporting a man with a gun at the School Street residence.

Troopers responded to the residence and established a perimeter. During this time, Wheeler made threats towards troopers who were on the scene.

Numerous attempts throughout the course of the incident were completed to make contact with Wheeler in an attempt to peacefully resolve the situation.

Pennsylvania State Police Special Emergency Response Team
was notified and responded to the scene.

At 2:30 pm, one shot was fired from inside the residence in the direction of a State Police vehicle parked outside.

At 2:31 pm, a multitude of shots were fired from inside the residence striking a State Police vehicle being used as cover by a trooper.

At 2:40 pm, multiple shots were again fired from inside the residence toward troopers. Additional shots were fired at troopers at least 5 other times. Troopers did not return fire.

At 3:30 pm, just after Wheeler finished firing shots out the window, he was fatally shot by a Pennsylvania State Police Special Emergency Response Team member.

Joshua Wheeler was pronounced dead at the scene by Potter County Coroner Kevin Dusenbury.






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Anonymous said...

Tragic, but not surprising. This man has had a troubled past, and this isn't the first time he's been in trouble with the law.

Thank God no one innocent was hurt!

Anonymous said...

This was certainly a very sad situation. It's unfortunate that it had to end in the manner that it did. I feel very sorry for his family, particularly those that were there.

Anonymous said...

did he have a daughter?

Anonymous said...

RIP Josh.. We all will miss you so much..:(

Anonymous said...

You are insensitive. Yes, Glad no one else was hurt but to say "it was coming" in so many words, is just wrong. If you knew him and knew there was a problem, why didn't you help him????? Anyway, it's sad that no help was able to get to him in time. I didn't know him and don't know the details but it's sad. What's this world coming to? My thoughts.

Anonymous said...

It is so very sad that this man did not get the help he needed. He was someone's son, friend, brother. May God help you find the peace.

Anonymous said...

Very very sad situation. My heart goes out to his family.

Sheila Baker ,Spicer said...

My prayers are with the Wheeler Family.So sorry to hear of your loss.

Anonymous said...

"What's this world coming to"
This, from broken homes, drugs and alcohol, this is what the world is coming to!

Anonymous said...

can anyone tell me if he has a daughter about 10 years old?

Anonymous said...

is he the one called skeet wheeler,who used to work at kightlingers motors.

Anonymous said...

We knew and loved Josh, he was a very good person a VERY good friend, we will miss him. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends. Everyone has problems and things shouldn't have went down the way they did that doesn't make him a bad person. Who cares if he has had trouble with the law in the past..very irrelivant at this point in time. Noone should judge. Love ya Buddy!
Garrett & Kim Talbett

Anonymous said...

how in the hell can you people say it was sad,the kid was intentionally trying to cause harm to the police that are there to protect and prevent shit like this happening.but now if he would have shot and killed a trooper you would have changed your stories around,no common sense this kid needed more than help

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness there weren't any Troopers or innocent bystanders injured.

Anonymous said...

It is sad, but some people are offered help & just don't take it. Very sad indeed but to say if you knew he needed help give it to him is wrong, some just cant be helped no matter how hard people try.

Anonymous said...

Yes he had a daughter. R.I.P. cousin. You're in a better place now. Love you. You will be missed.

Anonymous said...

if they would have just let somone help himor talk to him and yes it was wrong what he did butt he was a father a son a brother and a friend to many.... rip joshua wheeler may go be with your familly

Anonymous said...

I think if someone is sick they are sick, I knew Josh growing up and was very good friends with his brother and they were good people. I agree with Garrett and his wife, Josh's past trouble really doesn't matter now. I will have Matt and his family in my prayers tonight!

Anonymous said...

Very sad day..Josh Wheeler you will be missed greatly, you were a father,son,brother and friend and anyone who KNEW you knows this...some people in life have unfortunate issues and he was one of them, should he be condemmed?..absolutely NOT,what happened today was TRAGIC and for those who get on here and say rotten things then maybe if this happebed to you or your family you would be chocking on your words! i cant imagine getting on her whether it was my opinion or not and saying that crap, ihope one day one of you goes down the wrong path and i sure hope NOONE is there for you or your family...RIP joshua wheeler

Anonymous said...

For those of you that are putting Josh down, you obviously didnt know him. And im sure have no idea what your talking about. Yeah what he did was wrong but dont judge people. REST IN PEACE- Joshua Wheeler

Anonymous said...

no hes not skeet wheeler that use to work at kightlingers I dont even think they are related

Jim and Shirley Van Pelt said...

This is very sad, and he was so young, our thoughts and prayers are with the Kibbe and Wheeler families. Jim and Shirley Van Pelt.

Anonymous said...

Thank god there wasn't any Troopers hurt.

Anonymous said...

Josh was a good person. He needed attention, just not the kind he was getting. Maybe an intervention to get him on the right path again. I don't believe for a minute that he was meaning to hurt anyone. I know Josh, if he was trying to kill one of those troopers he would have done it. I think this escalated beyond everyones control. I am so sorry for his family, his daughter and for the trooper that was asked to fire the shot. There are no winners here. Josh had the Lords Prayer tatoo'd on his back. He knew right from wrong, he just needed to be helped back in line.

Anonymous said...

We are not put on this earth to judge people..in the end Our Heavenly Father makes all the calls. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family Josh...you will be missed!

Joe and Martie Wheeler said...

We think the rest of the world should know we begged and pleaded to be allowed to talk to Josh. He had ASKED to speak to his uncles, and the scene negotiation team would NOT in any way listen to our desperate pleas. We were told for six hours that negotiators were coming to resolve this problem. In hind sight, we are left wondering why the amount of police, swat teams, helicopters, and other law enforcement were called. No one has even told us why they were here. Our hearts are broken. We love you always, Josh.

Uncle Joe, Aunt Martie, Dave and Ashley

Anonymous said...

Pardon me for asking this, but whatever happened to tear gas. They used to shoot that in the house instead of shooting the person.

Anonymous said...

yes the troopers were doing there jobs butt if someones is asking to talk to somone then that is wrong to deney someone that and becaus ethis wasnt a dui or a underage drinkig party the cops actually had to think for once and couldnt even do that ps.. arent they supposed to allow someone try to help or talk.......

Anonymous said...

serve and protect isnt that the motto??? BS!!! i hopw when these brave officers lay their heads to rest tonight in their beds they replay Josh's plea to talk to his Uncles who were ready and waiting to help there beloved nephew down from a serious situation,sure maybe they didnt want anyone hurt BUt Josh would have never and further more maybe our wonderful poicemen should have put our taxmoney to use and tried out those full armored suits and TRIED to talk him down...in a state of mind he was in he felt, scared and trapped but yeah i would probably just shoot him too i probably would remove my thumb from my ass either!!!!! maybe they should join the military and go over seas then they be real men! COWARDS!...job well done PA State police!....my heart goes out to the Wheeler/ Kibbe familyi am sooo saddened by your loss!

Anonymous said...

With all do respect to Joe and Martie Wheeler. I can't imagine, after such a loss what you must be feeling, but to turn to a public blog site and question the actions of many law enforcement officer, most of who are local, who were being fired at (many times) and spent several hours working at finding the best outcome for YOU, the victim and for them is not the best thing right now.

They too have families and were in harms way! They put themselves there to help. This outcome is heartbreaking, for them as well!

Anonymous said...

We Have Known Josh Most of his Life. and who doesnt have problems from time to time. We Live very close to him. Have patched him up more Than once.,We have talked for hours with him. He had people that cared much for him. I don't Think Josh really knew that.I Prayed all Day with a Heavy Heart.Some things just cant be fixed.It Has amazed me today That people were more into rumors and Judgement. We will Miss Him. Our prayers are with Gram and Gramp Wheeler and all of Josh's Family.

Anonymous said...

maybe you shouldnt run your mouth on here either you hipacrit.... THEY SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIS FAMILLY TO TALK TO THEM....

Anonymous said...

IF he asked to speek to family, I smell a lawsuit.

Anonymous said...

Amen to the last comment...and really if someone is already having problems who the hell had the bright idea to back him into a corner like this then not let him talk to his family?! The entire mess could have been avoided and Potter County has always had the same problem with their police force, they are all rookies or old assholes that were demoted and sent there. Not one has ever tried to help some of these kids, there is no mentor program nothing its all just one big training to them. Further more if ANY of these troopers had grown up with Josh they would have done a better job of containing this situation!

Anonymous said...

wait which one of the State Troopers are local?????????? They all come from the bigger towns and have to come to little old Potter County...

Anonymous said...

9:48:00 PM & 10:16:00 PM

The police were doing THEIR job!

They did not make this situation, there were not the ones held up in a house with a loaded gun making threats!

They were there to protect each and every citizen of that town and from the sounds of things they did just that while being shot at, remember that!

Your nephew, friend, brother, uncle, son, could have shot and killed one of them and or a citizen of your town, how would you feel then?

This is a very tragic situation but the law enforcement officers did not ask for this, they were the ones being shot at!

Anonymous said...

This is tragic. I went to school with Josh. I didn't know him very well as an adult, and I don't know what went wrong to cause the things that happened today, but I do think he deserved better than this. The kid I remember was a good kid, and had a good heart. He was definitely spirited. But if he was your friend, he would give you the shirt off his back. He had a quick sense of humor, and a grin that would light up his whole face. I don't want to think of him any other way.
Rest in peace, Josh.

Anonymous said...

once again, this is what's wrong with our children and society today. every time a child screws up its everyone's fault but the child.even to the adults, no responsibility, its not their fault. if i were the police officers being shot at i sure wouldnt have just stood there and done nothing. this went on for hrs.what about the safety of the community. you all say he wouldnt have hurt anyone, how do you really know if he was just shooting and shooting, you dont know what he would have done next

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to say, to everyone that has left negative comments this: Josh was and always will be a great person. How can you judge if you have never been put in a situation such as his. He was an AMAZING DAD and FRIEND!!! Its to bad when something tragic happens, it shows just how ignorant people can be. Our thoughts go out to all of his family and friends. We love and miss you. RIP JOSH aka TIGER!
Grant, Elisha, and kids

Anonymous said...

so so so so sad. its over now, yelling a bitching is not going to bring him back, someone should have tried just a bit harder while he was here.

Anonymous said...

These men and women selflessly put themselves in harms way to protect the community, and then we call them cowards?! How narrow-minded and hypocritical!

My prayers to this victims family and my prayers for those that went to serve and protect and then are criticized my the very people they would lay down their lives for!

Anonymous said...

if he were such an amazing dad, then why to hell would he have put himself in the situation he did today. you would have thought that maybe his daughter would have brought him to thinking straight if thats the case

Anonymous said...

you hit it on the head 1049

Anonymous said...

sad indeed. prayers to his loved ones

Anonymous said...

Cowards! You should get down on your knees and thank God for these people who care more about your life than they do their own. If you took time to talk to them you would find they are Moms,Dads,sisters,brothers, sons, and daughters too. For some reason, they chose to do a thankless job for US.

Anonymous said...

he shot several times at the police officers cars

Anonymous said...

Obviously, this young man was very distraught. Surely if he were thinking clearly, he would not have shot at police. It is unreasonable to expect police to not take action in a situation like this. They showed great restraint and apparently waited as long as possible to resolve the situation peacefully. Any private citizen with a gun would not have waited so long to return fire. These troopers DO come from and live in the community & contrary to popular belief, they do not desire to harm people but are put in situations that sometimes such an outcome cannot be avoided. They all put their lives on the line today in an effort to protect. Thank God no one else was taken.

Anonymous said...

My retired neighbor was a SERT member. If he speaks of it, tears well in his eyes. It's not an easy situation for anyone involved.

Anonymous said...

what started all this in the first place

Anonymous said...

oh we have nothing better to do than to get on here and gossip, lie and piss and moan. its all too late

Anonymous said...

Just why keep bashing on the negative and talking negative on this blog. My heart and prayers go out to his daughter and the Wheeler family. I know Joe and he is a hell of a descent man . My feelings is he should have been alowed to talk to his nephew as he begged and pleaded and as Josh had asked. It would have ended in a more peacefull and civil way without any shots fired. Not being allowed to or permissed to do so. Tells me the state police knew what they wanted to do and did it ,got thier way etc. I sure hope the state trigger man is proud to go home to his wife and kids and tell them what he did at work today and be proud of his actions

Anonymous said...

fighting on her and arguing doesnt change anything at all but make people more angry..opinions are opinions no need in getting all worked up over others words...it was a tragic day and it will never be forgotten and that all for me!!!!

Uncle Joe said...

Only COWARDS post under "Anonymous."

Anonymous said...

my most sincere condolences to the family. I cannot even think the greif this tragedy has brought forth to them. Not knowing why, what or who I wonder why some people here have turned this to the police fault? dont live there but the way it states=the police responded to a call, and this person for a reason unknown chose to continue a tragic situation. very sad but it sounds like responsibleness is being misplaced and it only add to the tragedy this persons family is enduring. everyone have choices we wish to take back .whats sad is some choices can't be. It can happen to any family.

Anonymous said...

For all of you armchair quarterbacks:

You don't send family in to negotiate with a person who has a loaded firearm and is making threats to kill himself and anyone else around him. His death was brought upon by his own actions, which were to kill those there who were trying to peacefully resolve the situation. All he had to do was put his gun down. He chose not to. He chose to fire his gun multiple times at those there to help him. It was his choice. He chose to try to KILL people. He is responsible.

My heart goes out to the family and to those who risked their lives dealing with a person so disturbed that he actually would attempt to kill another human being.

Thank you State Police for doing a thankless job.

God bless all.

Anonymous said...

VICTIM , the only victims are the ones Josh left behind. They loved him unconditionally and had he not wanted shot & killed (the easy way out) He was acting selfishly and we see how that all turned out.

Tascha said...

This is truely tragic, as a neighbor, and knowing the family throughout my whole life. Frankly, everybody has problems, or some kind of issue(s). When someone asks for their family when such an event like this occurs, they deserve to speak to their family. Support is what HE deserved, he obviously NEEDED it. He DIDNT need to be shot, yes, he shot at them, but he didnt SHOOT them. He needed helped and he was denied.

My family was home throughout the day, the roadblock right by my house, using our phone to communicate with Josh. Sadly I was at work the whole time in Westfield seeing unmarked cars storming through the redlight wondering What the hell...

Personally I dont know Josh, but I know he didnt deserve this. From what I know... why it started was because he was set to be going to jail this week. I know its tough to be in jail as I have been there myself and my brother is currently in Potter County. All he needed was someone he knows to talk to... I hope all that Emergency Response Officer sleeps fucking well tonight... I love seeing my tax dollars going to killing people instead of just helping them. And to all you sick and ill commenting individuals... karma's a s.o.b.

As most people have figured out I work at Fox's in Westfield. I work during the day tomorrow (Monday March 8th)(11 to 5ish)if the immediate/close family of Josh would like a pizza I will deliver you a Sheet with one topping on ON ME... Just call Fox's and ask for me and I'll take care of it for you...

From myself and my family, our prayers are with you

Anonymous said...

Everything happens for a reason. God has a plan for Josh.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Joe said...
Only COWARDS post under "Anonymous."

Sunday, March 7, 2010 11:11:00 PM EST

I may be a coward! I was spit upon and called baby killer when I returned from 'Nam. Thanks Uncle Joe.

Anonymous said...

11:05, How dare you state that these Troopers wanted such a thing to happen. Of any anti-law enforcement comment I have ever read, you are the crudest and most heartless person ever to speak such words! The nerve and audacity to claim that they would enjoy and want such a thing?! You my friend, are the coward.

Anonymous said...

is it true he was holding people hostage as well

Anonymous said...

I really cant believe the nerve of some of you..someone lost their life today..a family is grieving. I went to school with josh and knew most his family..they are all great people. I hope none of you have to go through the hell that his family has been through today..but maybe if you do, you will understand how it feels! rest in peace josh..my heart is with you wheeler family
Tracy V

Anonymous said...

Tax dollars hard at work killing instead of helping....

Coming from a criminal, with a family of criminasl, please know they don't mean a load of shit!

As for those who responded in YOUR COMMUNITY to protect those that live by you....I would only imagine that of everything that happened today...your pathetic comment won't be why they are not "fucking sleeping well tonight!"

Joleen Ferguson (Conti) said...

wow! We have not seen josh in years, evry time he seen me it was always see yah on the hill smarta**! He had a sense of humor that would make you laugh so hard you felt like you were going to hyper ventalate and a heart as big as texas. I pray fo josh and his family tonight. Wish I could be home to give my condolences in person, i did not know joshes family but he awlways talked so very highly of them. This world is a smaller place without you josh. i promise everytime i see a porky pine we will think of you and laugh as hard as we can. God bless you and your family

Anonymous said...

Hostages?? that's news

Brent and Harley said...

I knew Josh as a very good man and father who has had a hard last few years in life..i had always gotten along with josh..we joked and had good times..It is to bad it had to end like this...our thoughts and prayers go out to joshs family and anyone affected by this incident..WE WILL ALL MISS YOU BUDDY.....Brent and Harley

Anonymous said...

PLEASE... anger and pointing fingers does nothing.... we cannot reverse the actions and lack of actions that led to this tragic event... Josh was a good guy, but as with all of us he made mistakes; the same goes for the police officers who handled the 'situation'... I for one will be praying for EVERYONE involved... In times of trauma we need to stick together and help each other through...

Anonymous said...

Maybe if Josh's family would have spoken with him yesterday, last week, last month this wouldnt have happened. Its easy to claim they wanted to help after Josh was obviously over the edge.

Leave the police alone they were doing their job. I wouldnt go in there to TALK to someone holding a gun.

Josh made his choice by not putting the gun down and coming outside.

Anonymous said...

I knew Josh and thought he was great, funny, and an awesome person. My thoughts and prayers go to his family and friends. But we need to remember in this situation that the police officers were doing what they had to. Their jobs are to serve and protect and we all knew Josh and knew he was great BUT to the police officers he was a man with a loaded gun shooting in a small town. I am sure that the police officers thought that they were coming to save lives and had no idea that we as a town would be so upset. I still don't understand what happened to tear gas but I am sure the police had a reason for what they had to do. Josh will always be remembered and forever in are hearts.

Ashley Wheeler said...

Thank you to those of you who have stood outside the box and realized there is more to this story than meets the eye. Your kind words are greatly appreciated as we all head to bed with heavy hearts tonight. We would appreciate your respect and discretion during this unbearably hard time. Thank you and God bless.

Nicky said...

First off, My prayers go out to the family and friends of Josh.

I didn't know him, so I refuse to judge what happened in the past that led up to this tragedy. I am thankful for the law enforcement that protected the community, as we were driving through there today with our 7 month old in the backseat, missing the "shootings" by a mear half an hour. All I could think of was, "what if a stray bullet from anyone's gun had ventured to our car as we were driving past." I have one question as this has been bothering me, why did the officer fatally shoot Josh? Obviously he was well trained and could have shot the arm that was holding the gun, or his leg causing a distraction, maybe giving the police enough time to go in and get him. Just wondering...

Tascha said...

"Anonymous said...
Tax dollars hard at work killing instead of helping....

Coming from a criminal, with a family of criminasl, please know they don't mean a load of shit!

As for those who responded in YOUR COMMUNITY to protect those that live by you....I would only imagine that of everything that happened today...your pathetic comment won't be why they are not "fucking sleeping well tonight!"
"

Coming from a criminal... Hmm who said I AM a criminal exactly, who said I actually did what I was in jail for? Assault 3DV, because my spouse refused to leave MY APARTMENT at that time... As far as my brother... my brother didnt even do it, framed by a little tramp who is currently with someone who is definitely over 18, living with them.... while my brother sits in jail depressed wondering what he ever did to deserve this... My brother is (or rather was) a virgin, besides the fact that a young girl apparently "raped" my brother while he was passed out.... so I hardly say criminal...
...Wait til you are in the wrong places at the wrong time... trying to do everything right...

Now, lets look at your opening line in YOUR comment.. "Tax dollars hard at work killing instead of helping".

WOULD *YOU* MUCH RATHER BE KILLED THAN HELPED?

Were you ever picked on in school? ...Lost someone close to you? ...Had "home problems"? ...Attempted to or thought about killing yourself? ..just felt like you wanted to die... became overwhelmed... Yelled at your immediate family for no reason because something was bugging you...?

I hope you at least live in our community to understand and know a person before making a decision... he asked for help, to talk to his family, and was denied. My family got to hear a lot of what was being said between Police and Wheeler as the police were using OUR TELEPHONE to communicate with Josh, so you dont know shit Mr. Anonymous. Keep your petty uneducated to yourself about a situation you know probably nothing about in the real world.

Anonymous said...

It seem that everyone has the answers...I didn't know him and wish not to...If thing were so good or bad, then why weren't you all 65 comments people there to help before this happened. You seem to think society should have done something. You gotta help yourself first before you can be helped. Sorry for the family and for everyone that has to live with this.

Anonymous said...

Give It Up... Who Are We to Say it Was Wrong, Right, Or Have Any Words Of Such Prodigy To one Another let The Man R.I.P

R.I.P Josh
T.bundy

Anonymous said...

RIP Josh. I dont know him but I knew of his family. I dont know exactly what happened, but they should have tried harder to preserve his life as well as everyone elses. They SHOULD have allowed his family talk to him, because MAYBE they could have talked him down. But instead they escalated the situation by not allowing him to talk to his family.

You dont know what exactly happened, or what he was going thru. Perhaps he was suffering very bad depression, and perhaps he he wasnt trying to kill anyone else dispite the treats. Look up cop assisted suicide. Im sure that if he really really wanted to he probably could have killed at least one person. I find it hard to believe that he was really trying to kill anyone if he missed every time.

Tear gas could have been used. They could have backed way off out of range of his gun and kept trying to talk him down. They could have allowed his family to talk to him. To me, this screams problems all the way around. I cannot say that his friends and family did not try their best as I can tell some at least have. BUT sometimes, no matter how much you help, It does not mean that you will always be successful at helping that person. All you can do is try your best. From what Ive seen everyone tried their best except for the police. I thought they were supposed to exaust every avaliable option to try and prevent a loss of life. Not stay right there in his face, allow him to keep shooting at them, then finally decide he wasnt going to stop and just shoot him. Seriously. I know they got family too, but that very thing right their should have stopped them and got them to think about how they would feel if it was their brother, father, whatever.

Now because of them, a 10 yr old is left without a father. Do all you assholes really think that this was the best thing for everyone all the way around? How would you feel if that was YOUR father? I just hope that yall arnt ever in this position this family has been put in and have to live thru all this. And to think yall would be bashing him and such on here. Yes...theres freedom of speech...but theres times people really should learn to shut their fucking traps, and just leave a few respectful words to the family, or not at all.

Im sorry to any that gets offended by how I typed this up, but the insensitivity of it all really pisses me off. I was always told that if you cant say anything nice at all, KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT!

Anonymous said...

I know not why this young man was in this situation. I don't care at the moment. I am not here to judge him, nor are any others. What I can say with great resolve, is that PSP responded to a threat. Once they deem a situation a viable threat, there are procedures and protocols that they must follow. This young man, unfortunately escaladed the situation even further by firing at police (upwards of 80 rounds, by my count as I was listening). At any time, he could have simply laid down his arms and surrendered to PSP for a peaceful conclusion to this event. As for the family speaking with the young man, I doubt his telephone was cut off, though i don't know that for certain. I don't know of a law enforcement agency in this great nation that would allow ANYONE into this situation. If you do, you are only asking for people to be shot or for a hostage situation to occur. My heart goes out to the family that is left behind...they are left to grieve just as all of have been at the loss of a loved one at one time or another in our lives. Please don't allow peoples' judgement of Josh affect you...as I said before, it is not our position to judge. Today is a tragic day for our quiet little town. The loss of any life is tragic. I'm just relieved that no innocent bystanders were intentionally or UNintentionally (ricochets, etc.) injured. I hope the family of this young man can make peace with the situation and I also hope that they realize that many, many people are thinking of them at this very difficult time.

Ben&AmyPutman said...

We have known Josh Wheeler for a very long time.He was a good friend and will be missed.NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS OR THINKS THAT CAN NOT BE CHANGED.


RIP Josh
Ben&AmyPutman

flatlander of tioga county said...

A 'big time'crime in our area, so out of the ordinary!The police get a chinese fire drill to over react!Whopping 5 hr standoff~a man in his home with a gun-? Describes most of this county! A cop's big day's ticketing someone doing 27 in a 25 zone~So a man with a gun~ big time!Cops arent that experienced, handling such a situation & at least 1 cop should've comprehended the manual& the others probably put their 'x' on their oath to protect & to serve~ I've seen cops up here 'overreact' to lesser situations & then of course get away with it. This might've been the only chance any of these cops'll ever have been in to justifiably kill someone in a crisis situation~ If they exhausted all other means 1st before shooting him~ then they obviously tire fast& easy. 'Shoot my car?I shoot you!"? Oh, yeah Josh was a cop 'car killer' for sure~!&a lousy aim if he was aiming to hurt anyone! Somehow I think he wanted help & having a breakdown of sorts, especially if he had some BS jail time coming for some BS crime - which certainly adds to the cops justification checklist enabling them to open season on him, after all he had a gun & in other places, unlike Tioga/Potter counties, that might mean more~ but up here, most certainly a family member could have talked him down &into a psych ward, not dead.Score 1 for the cops, they certainly get their adrenaline rush~this was bigger than an uninspected car speeding through town or running a red light with a beer in hand~
Taking a clear shot? Maybe~
While sending in a family member would have been against all the rules of engagement, using a foghorn or phone would've been reasonable. Also making the perimeter less terrifying might have diffused the situation BUT as each minute passed~he knew they'd kill him, almost certainly expected since most cops in this area get away with anything.Same cops who confiscate weed & then smoke it themselves, same cops who themselves commit DUI's, but seldom get caught, same cops who'll hold a family at gunpoint first& later get the judge to sign a warrant.I've seen it happen & while I'm law abiding & have family in law enforcement, I know this was handled wrong~ I didnt even have to hear the details,it sickened me, gave me a gut feeling that these cops had to turn this into a duckshoot & now its on their resumes,they were in a real life gun battle with a desperado & shots weren fired,all they needed to sign this man's death warrant & execute it.Incompetence of those who are supposed to be our finest & hide behind the respectibility of the badge & the reputation of those who do serve honorably & competently. They have their checklist& they will back each other up& this will be considered justified...It sickens me& makes me ashamed of the police involved.Why a better qualified negotiator wasnt called in? Why was 5 hrs their limit? What made it so important to shoot when they finally did it?Why did they have to take him with deadly force? Why wasnt there teargas or a police dog, or a bullhorn for relatives to talk him out with?Why? Because it was like shooting fish in a barrel! Why? Because they seldom get such an opportunity to take lethal action!Why? because they wanted to & he gave them the excuse they needed to hide behind their badges& kill someone that they never should have killed!Why will they get away with it? Because they are cops in Tioga/Potter counties!& the courts are as incompetent as they are & they know ahead of time, that they will get away with it& no matter what is done, this young man is dead & outsiders are entertainment oriented & wont care a bit about this in a week.His family' will have a pain in their gut the rest of their lives,while the cops can whisper to one another "was it as good for you as it was for me?"

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me? This site really has become a fucking joke...RIP JOSH...and thank you to all Law Enforcement for the thankless job you do...a bad situation that everyone seems to have a solution to. This site really needs to learn how to edit comments. Especially in a situation like this.

Derek Hamilton said...

My prayers are with the Wheeler and Kibbe Family. So sorry to hear of your loss.

Anonymous said...

If he wanted to talk to his family then why did he not put down his gun. I feel bad for his family because HE was the one to put them through this NO ONE ELSE. You can't make a person get help unless they want it. He did not want help or he would of gotten it.
I live in Venango County where we lost a State Trooper,he was shot & killed he had a wife and 2 small children. He was a very good husband and father. He also was someones son, brother etc. Did that stop the man who killed him NO. After they were able to get into the house they found he also shot and killed his wife. Where did that get her for staying with him. She also had mom & dad and family. Don't feel sorry for a man who kills especially someone who was doing his job. This state police man just got out of his car and was killed. Do I feel sorry for this killer no way. His family yes. I did not know any of the people involved in either of these situations but feel sad and MAD when someone takes another persons life for on reason at all. Now all these people have to go on knowing what happened to their loved on. Put blame where it belongs. Not the police.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the 12:00 poster. He made his choice by not coming out. The cops made their choice to protect themselves and the community. Just like some time ago Josh's family made a choice to not listen to him to not help him. Life is made of choices.

Anonymous said...

Tascha,

Please...use some discretion! Very innapropriate to be airng this kind of dirty laundry and then to offer this poor family "a pizza with one topping?!"

Have your thoughts on the situation, but don't suggest in your first post that these Officers wanted this or didn't use your "tax dollars" in the right manner!

When you don't know what it's like to be on their end and fight such a battle don't throw in your two cents that are rude and uneducated.

Paula Seeley said...

Well i didnt know Josh or the family at all. I am from the area but I feel that everyone has the time to get on here and either bash the police or bash Josh. I think there are two ways to look at this situation... The cops point of view and the friend and familys point of view... I think getting on here and running mouths is not helping the situation or solving anything. I think what should be on everyone's minds is that HE WAS A HUMAN BEING JUST LIKE EVERYONE OF US!!!! And he was also a father, son, brother.. What should be on everyones mind is sorrow for the family.. R.I.P and God Bless The Wheeler family and friends

Rachel JoLynn said...

Skeet Wheelers' dad(Guy Frank Wheeler sr.) is cousins with Joshs dad. He didn't know him.

Anonymous said...

I pray there's a investigation from outside sources, there could of been a different outcome to this tragic event. As mentioned many times above, why wasn't tear gas used? Why didn't Josh have access to his family? This isn't sitting well with me. Hopefully it won't be swept under the rug. My prayers go out to his family.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, he made the decision to shoot at the cops. Had he not shot at them, they wouldn't have returned fire, killing him. They spent all morning/afternoon trying to talk to him and to resolve the situation peacefully. In return, he threatened them. They can't send someone in there when he has a loaded gun and is making threats. Family or not. Who knows what he would have done. He doesn't sound like this great person several people have made him out to be. He is a person who obviously made poor choices and has a violent past. A while back, he smashed the windshield of someone's car, and, was charge with simple assault in 2007. He was also suppose to go to jail soon for some reason. He sounds like someone with a severe anger problem, not the amazing person some are trying to make him out to be.

I highly doubt the police officer who had to shoot him will get over this any time soon. They don't go out on the job hoping to have to shoot someone. They go out there to protect our communities. Josh Wheeler was an obvious threat since he shot AT the police (and, his family members since they were out there, too). It's easy to be mad at law enforcement in a situation like this. But, it's clear that Josh made the decisions that lead them to that point in time. It's unfortunate, and, I'm sad for his family. Hopefully this opens the eyes of other troubled men and women in this area, and, that they decide to go get help and straighten up.

Nacho Mama said...

Bravo Monday, March 8, 2010 1:17:00 AM EST...

The most intelligent post I have read on this thread yet...

Thoughts and Prayers to all that have lost in this tragic event and thanks to all that served...

Anonymous said...

So don't judge the guy blowing off hundreds of rounds into police cars and houses, but do judge the police for how they responded to it, that about right?

I feel for the family but you have to understand the cops can't let family members speak to the guy that would most likely prolong and escalate the situation. Family injects emotion, and you don't know what the family member is going to say that will further agitate the person.

I'm pretty sure the troopers on the emergencey team have plenty of training in dealing with these situations. You don't respond to automatic weapon fire with tear gas. I sympathize with family members and understand their desire for a different outcome. Sad bitter truth is, he could have put the gun down and walked out. That wasn't what he wanted. He wanted an armed confrontation, and he got it.

Anonymous said...

I knew JOsh growing up but not that well I realize that it was a dangerouse situation allowing his family to go in and talk to him but that is what he wanted and they wanted..the police were wrong in not allowing his family to try..from what I understand noone was ever really brought in to talk with him!!! Just more and more police and noise to just aggravate and scare him more and more.Yes the police were fireed at but if they would have been trying to protect him more and listening to him more and not trying to bring in more and more police to complicate crap even more then maybe JOsh would still be here....I understand the police say they were just trying to protect the community and themselves but with most the state boys I Have had the pleasure of working with they leave grandmothers who beat hheir own grandchildren go!!!! Arrest and accuse the wrong people and harass them and sit on their butts while other crimes are commited just because they are too lazy to do the paperwork!!!!!We need some real police officers who know what the words NEGOTIATE and INVESTIGATE mean not just quick to pull a trigger!!!!!
God Bless You Josh and Love nad prayers to your daughter and family tonight♥

Anonymous said...

When anyone passes it is unfortunate to their family and friends. Every day many people pass away, people with just as many if not more problems than this young man experienced. I believe the difference lies in that the other poor soles whos only notification to the world is an obituary do not get as much attention, or afterthought as to what could have been done to help them, to prevent the unfortunate occurance that caused their demise.
It is unfortunate when anyone passes, this young man had obviously been pushed over the edge, an edge I would surmise his family was aware of.
However, when someone puts the lives of innocent people in danger they are a threat to everyone, even their own family. I am sure the police gave him the option to surrender many times which he did not accept before and possibly during while the shots were being fired. There is no option to just walk away, for things to go back to how they were before the incident started. I think we should be glad this sole is the only one who passed, that he did not take more with him. I can only imagine being the person who had to pull the trigger on the one shot which ended this mans life. That person must live with knowing he took another mans life for the rest of his, right or wrong I would bet that it's not easy to live with. So to you Sir, who pulled the trigger and ended this other mans life to protect innocent people, you are not in the wrong and I truely hope you can let this pass in time.

Anonymous said...

My heart goes out to the Wheeler/Kibbe families. Josh and I grew up in Harrison Valley together and I have some wonderful memories of him. That is the way I want to remember him......he was a son, brother, father, grandson and he will be greatly missed by many.
Kim (Hurler) Kosa

Anonymous said...

Funny, it seems that there is always negative things being said about PSP and Law Enforcment. People complain they don't respond fast enough, they don't do their job like they should, they let criminals go, etc...Well, this time they did do their job, all you people out there bashing them sit back and think, if he fired even one shot at you would you not shoot back? Everyone says he had problems, did anyone try to help him? As for the Uncles wanting to talk to him why did they not find a phone and call him???? Tasha posted that the police were using her phone to make contact with him, so obviously he had access to a phone. I doubt the phone line was tied up the entire time. As for the comment about him shootin at the police cars and not an officer, who is to say the next round that he fired wouldn't have been at an officer? Bottom line, the individuals involved in this did their job, they protected the community.

Anonymous said...

First, I cannot believe that family members who were grieving yesterday for their loss of Josh would even visit let alone issue statements on this blog during this sad time.

From experience when I lost a loved one you can bet your bottom dollar I would not have been looking to see what negative or positive statements were made about that loved one.

Get your priorities in line such as supporting the family and grieving! Don't place fault at anyone else but the first shooter
no matter how difficult it is to accept his actions. Only Josh knew why he picked up that gun in the first place and started shooting.

God bless his family and hopefully you can grieve in peace if you stay off the blog from reading and answering comments.

Anonymous said...

First to Solomonswords - I have lost all respect for your column after going through and reading the comments that you posted with the *F* word in it. It bascially shows the type of person writing the comment is. Just by reading her comment, it does not surprise me that Tasha has been in jail and that she would of course pass the blame off. Isn't it funny how two people from the same family would go to jail for something they did not do...What a joke. I know I will not be patronizing Fox's in Westfield again and I hope Steve and Chris take a look at their employee...

Anonymous said...

Today's police just are not what this world needs. What ever happened to the term to protect and serve? There job is to put there life on the line to help people like Josh who truly need it. I would go so far as to say that Josh probably never received a lick of real help from the police or any public official for that matter. Had I been there you could bet I would have tried to go in and talk to him, and I am 100% sure I could have talk him out of death in that situation. I am also 100% sure that the police would not have allowed that! We need to look out for each other, and until we do good people will continue to suffer. That my friend is what is truly sad here. All of us, we just do not care enough to put our own life’s on the line! Remember those that died to give us the right to live like we do. We owe it to them to put people like Josh back in the game. Josh had a lot of good in him, I had seen it, there was bad in there too, but he was not given the opportunity he needed. No one cared enough to get involved and help him. We all stood by and watched him die. This happens every day in this country. Either get over it or steep up to the plate and try to fix it.

Anonymous said...

It is very tragic and I feel for the family. Prayers be with you.

May we all learn from this. Maybe there were signs, and maybe not.

There are times when signs are there and maybe a little intervention would help save a life. Maybe too many DUI's, verbal abuse towards someone, abusing drugs, bullying at school or work. Small things that may one day lead to something tragic but may have been preventable.

Danielle Lampman Penny Lampman said...

My father and Josh's father are best friends and have been for years.. I grew up with josh and I know the whole family. I know that if the police would have let them have contact like it should have happened that this would have all been resolved the way it should have been. This has a lot of people very sad and josh did not deserve this. Neither did his daughter. His family asked to speek with him and that is wha should have happened! These cops round here don't give a shit about what happens to anybody else but themselves and how fast they can get out of a situation. they know thier families are safe and that is all they carebout. Our thoughts and prayer are with the whole family and know that if you ever need anythng we are here for all of you!

Anonymous said...

I love how everyone gets on here and interjects what SHOULD have happened because MAYBE it would have helped.

In all situations, no matter the type, there are always WHAT IFS!!

The sad fact is, it sounds like a troubled yound man made some bad decisions and that is what led to this. I know everyone loves to bash the PSP but this is not the time or place.

It is a sad situation with a tragic ending. I pray for all those involved, family & friends of Josh as well as the PSP that were serving and protecting. I'm sure it isn't going to be an easy thing for that cop that delivered the fatal blow to deal with either!!!

Tracey Holley said...

Let me start by saying that my heart goes out to the wheeler family.
I understand that the law enforcement is trained to deal with situations like this, and they were responding to an individual making threats with a loaded gun. And keeping the surrounding community safe was a priority. But I have to wonder why the family was not allowed to talk to him? I don't think anyone was asking to go inside with him, but why wasn't phone contact made so his family could try to talk him down? And was the choice to fire such a fatal shot the only option?
And to the person who asked why didn't the family and friends talk to him before? How do you know that they didn't? Everyone has a breaking point and sometimes there is just no warning that it is even coming and apparently Josh reached that point and for the family not to be allowed to even try to save him is just unbearable. I know if it were my son, I would have wanted the chance to talk to him, it could have made all the difference in the world, even if the last thing i said was that i loved him.
People are quick to pass judgment but would you have wanted this if it were your family member? I think NOT!

Anonymous said...

God Bless our Troopers and their familes, what a pathetic community they serve in. Cruel comments from people who have no idea what that job requires, not only from the Troopers, but there familes at home.

Coudy is not a "revolving door" for State Police. I've seen men leave that barracks who had been born and raised in this County. For those that are stationed here and get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible, the answer for that is right here in black and white.

Anonymous said...

Well I have been reading all these comments made on this page and this whole situation is sad. Over 100 shot fired from Josh ? Come on now? Anybody from around here knows that if that kid wanted to kill somebody he would have, you dont just fire a weapon that many times and miss.... I bet that guy was scared to death in his last hours of life imagine what he was feeling? I hate to say it but its not just his fault and does anyhbody know what OVERKILL is? According to what I hear there where 8 sharp shooters on scene ? One of them couldnt hit him in the hand or some place else with out killing him ? I refuse to take sides but clearly something else could have been done to have a better ending to this story .But I know from my experience with the local cops around here they dont give a crap about the people . I am not saying all cops are bad but I do think this area has its share of trigger happy crazy cops . And the cops do all stick together hell the whole court system is messed up in Tioga and Potter Counties. You can bet there where signs that Josh was having a hard time and the signs where not noticed . All we can do is learn from mistakes and do things to make sure that this will not happen again . We all got to stick together and take a step back and look at our own lives . We shall not judge! Do something today to help some one that you know that are crying out for help . As for the Wheeler family my heart goes out to you . I know that the hurt will never go away . And trul Josh is in a better place I hope . Some place where his heart can rest in peace.

Anonymous said...

My quesion is this: The stand off started at 9:46am, and in the report there is NO mention of negotions or demands from Joshua, why is that? Does the "special response team" not consist of 2 units, the tactical unit and the NEGOTIATION untit? This "special team" also has a 50% resolve rate through using tear gas and entrance! The body count was 7(now 8), so are the just trying to up that quota as so many do in Potter conty police force? If this man was requesting he speak with his family do you not think maybe 1 of them could have got through to him and this could have need peacefuly like the "state police" wanted?? Another qustion, no tear gas, no attempt to distract him instead a bunch of officers standing around with their dicks in their hand trying to figure out what next! Was this kid in the wrong for shooting at officers? Absolutely, however with that being said was the officers not wrong for ignoring this person's request, and shooting him dead instead of injurying him and then letting him seve his time? Sounds to me like it's time the people of Potter County start going above the Potter County Police heads and find out why this county always ends in tragedy!!!! My thoughts and Prayers are with this family, and May GOD BLESS them troopers!!!

Anonymous said...

In reading all the comments, I am actually speechless. It seems to be a pretty clear cut case.

Thanks God, I know longer live or visit the Potter County area. I forgot how backwards you people truly are.

Anonymous said...

oh please...this wasn't a tv drama...REAL bullets , REAL police, REAL bystanders, REAL shooter...the state police should be commended for their restaint. they followed their protocols. unlike tv, family and bystanders die when trying to do the right thing. i can feel for the family of this man...but not the man. he endangered innocent people. remember that anyone who is ready to die doesn't care who they take with him...shooting at the police ...he wanted to die.

Anonymous said...

Josh was a good guy for anyone that knew him, He was funny, nice, and caring. I dont think it right for all of you that didnt no him to judge him. I dont think thats very fair. My heart goes out to his family.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 8:28,

I find it amusing you say you lost respect for Jim and his site yet you don't have the balls to post your name!!! If he edited peoples comments the ignorance in yours would have been gone!! I'm sure even though you may have lost rspect for this site your nosey ass will still be on here checkin out the gossip daily huh!!! Keep up the good work an keep it real Jim!!! Courtney Jones

Alan & Betty Jo said...

Are hearts go out to the Wheeler Famliy. We are so sorry for your loss! The Gertzen Famliy

Belinda said...

I so agree with you Traci. I also feel enough is enough and lets just drop it and let the family be. and for a final thought to all Well sometimes we don't have control over what happens, but know everything happens for a reason. And just accept what is done!! REST IN PEACE JOSH AND LOOK OVER YOUR DAUGHTER AND GUIDE HER FROM HEAVEN AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE HERE ON EARTH. NO MORE PAIN, SORROW, OR SICKNESS JUST PEACE BE WITH YOU. Our thougts and prayers go out to the Wheeler and Kibbie families.

Anonymous said...

Gotta love the flame fest against the cops and the blaming of everything and everyone other than Josh himself. No-where in the posted article is there a mention of an Uncle or pleas to talk to "family". Instead of shooting from the hip (as you all claim the cops did) with your posts, research a bit, get some facts. From the linked page...."Over the past several years, slightly over 50% of the barricade situations have been resolved through tactical intervention, usually chemical agents and/or entry. Since its inception in 1986, SERT has responded to over 300 activations. Deadly force has been used on only 7 occasions." By my math, that means "Deadly Force" was used in 2.3% of the occurrences. Does not sound to trigger happy to me. The SERT units are highly trained and decisions to use deadly force so not come lightly. I commend all the officers for showing restraint in not returning fire on multiple occasions. For those that want to inquire as to why tear gas was not used.....it's effective when the area can be controlled and all officers have the proper gear needed to not be affected.....I am positive this option was explored but deemed to risky for the safety of the officers, residents, and property. In the end, Josh was the one that made the choice to barricade himself in the building and shot in the direction of other individuals (cops or not)....the blame for this unfortunate situation rests solely on Josh's shoulders.

Anonymous said...

I am well aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and as you all have read, people have given just that! I, like so many others knew Josh and I knew him very well, I knew the man he was, and the man he so desperately wanted to become! He was an amazing father, and an unforgettable friend! He was always there for anyone that needed him no matter the time of day or night.His heart is bigger than he, his sense of humor was impecable, his wisdom was noted, and his thoughts were mine alike! He impacted my life and my heart, and there he will always remain! My heart goes out to his beautiful daughter, family, and friends. He will be greately missed and never forgotten. Jamie Nelson aka "The Maid"

Anonymous said...

Maybe in the future, the police should ask all friends and family of barricaded gunmen just what type of person he is before they decide what to do. They should have a pre-typed questionairre to hand out to neighbors asking them if they should shoot him or not. If the majority of the people say he's a good person, they can just stand back and let him shoot off all his rounds. Hopefully, nobody will get hurt. Give me a freaking break. This man fired multiple shots at the police before they finally had no choice but to take him out before some innocent person got killed. It doesn't matter if he is a priest, kindergarten teacher or some loser. The bottom line is he needs to be stopped as quickly as possible. Once he fired on the police and towards innocent people's homes, he crossed the line and deadly force was neccesary.

Anonymous said...

Tascha, i cant believe you would even have a job today working at Foxes. if you worked for me i have fired your ass as soon as you walked in the door.

Anonymous said...

Take the time to close your eyes and picture your own child in the same situation as Josh Weeler. I did this last night and to know that your child is in such a deperate situation it is just heart wrenching!!! I truley believe that had Josh Wheeler been the son of a senitor,lawyer,jugde,and from a family of athority in the area or surrounding area, that every attempt would have been taken and famliy members would have been aloud to at least try to talk their child out peacefully First... instead of using DEADLY FORICE!!! Take time to think about that!!!! After all Josh had not shot a person or killed anyone!!! Police cars can be replaced!!! Our children can not be replaced!!!My thoughts and prayers go out to the Wheeler Famliy & to the officer that took the fatal shot!

Chip Wells said...

This is a tragedy. Period. A young man lost his life because of his decisions and no one else's. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

However...

It amazes me how quickly individuals will trash the men and women in law enforcement.

1. I see a number of people talking about the police being there to serve and protect. They did! They were protecting the community from an individual who had lost control. He was willing to open fire on the police...is it such a stretch to think that he would have done the same to his neighbors? Yes yes, those who know him say that "he would never have done such a thing". Really? Did you honestly believe that he would have shot at the police??

2. One post mentioned it and it begs to be repeated. FAMILY INJECTS EMOTION. If the PSP would have allowed the family to get involved, the ONLY good that can come is that the situation is reolved peacefully. However, there are many more outcomes that are equally as likely. Family member goes into the house and is killed by Josh...family member goes into the house and is convinced that they should assist Josh in shooting the police. I am not saying that would have happened, but the chance of it happening exists. "Wouldn't have happened that way." Again, did you really think that he was capable of putting himself in this position in the first place?

"We didn't want to go in, we just wanted to talk to him on the phone..." You cannot sit there and be 100% sure that you would have been able to prevent this outcome from happening even over the phone. We think that we could have, and we say that we could have as a way to deal with the sadness and to begin the greiving process. But the fact is that you don't know for sure. How do you know that Josh wasn't asking to speak to his family so he could tell them goodbye and that he loved them before turning the gun on himself? Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately, we will never know.

3. For those who have said that "if he wanted to shoot the troopers he would have done it". Really? Is this because Josh was a great shot? Most people are great shooters when they have the time to acquire their target, aim, control their breathing, and fire. It is quite the opposite when there are hundreds of eyes watching the house for any movement, and, oh yeah, the police officers weren't just standing out in the open unprotected.



It's easy to sit in the comforts of your own home, in front of your computer screen and play Monday morning quarterback. It's easy to tear down the local police and the PSP because they are easy targets. Are you the same individuals that will praise them for a job well done? I highly doubt it.

Are you the same individuals who will pick up the phone and dial 911 if you are in trouble? God forbid, if someone ever breaks into YOUR house, someone kidnaps YOUR child, someone attacks YOU in the parking lot at the movie theater...are you going to call the police then and ask them for help? I bet you are.

So many of you make it seem like this was easy when the call was made to "take the shot". If the decision was that EASY, the shot would have been taken much, much earlier. Do you have any idea what those troopers are feeling? Do you realize how horrible of a feeling it is to have to pull that trigger.

The decision of taking one life over losing many, has been, and will continue to be debatable for the existance of humanity. It is NOT an easy decision.

Josh's family is going through a tragedy that I pray no one else ever has to experience. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to stop using your energy to blog about the police doing a "bad job", and instead use that energy to help the family though this?

God bless his family and be with them through this horrible time in their lives, and may Josh Wheeler rest in peace. I truly hope he is remembered for who he was before this incident, and not what yesterday resulted in.

Anonymous said...

Well....since everyone else is giving there opinion I will Give mine! I think , because I personaly knew Josh that if the nosy neighbor down the street would have not called the cops, This sitiuation would have never escalated. Josh was a good person and if there were that many cops standing around and you get scared, Im sure you would do the same. Nobody knows what he was thinking or going through. But he Called Joe asking for him to come help and that is exactly what all of the family was trying to do. But because 100 cops were swarmed around him in his line of fire, Josh him self was im sure terrified. He was an amazing person and everyone that knew him knew that! So for ya'll that dont know him maybe you should just keep your little comments to yourself and Act as if you are adults not 12 year olds fighting about who won in Gym class. RIP Josh and God Bless to you and the Family
With Love
Victoria Houghtaling

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't be surprised that people on here are blaiming the cops. The backwards, uneducated, ignorant rants that come from people up there have me scratching my head daily. But, it sure is entertaining.

Here is a bit of advice. If you find yourself in a situation where you are looking out your window at police officers crouched down behind their cars and you are firing shots at the cars there is a pretty good chance you might die today.

People are saying that he could have killed them if he wanted to but he was just shooting the cars. You don't even have to fire your gun for police to be authorized to use deadly force. Walk up to a cop sometime and just point a gun in their direction and see how fast you die.

And for those saying he should have just been wounded. Not sure if you are in the dark but everyone should know by now that police are ALWAYS trained that if you fire your weapon it is to be used for DEADLY FORCE. Cops never, ever, shoot to wound.

There is only 2 ways a situation like this ends. Cuffs or a coffin. Josh had 5 hours to decide what he wanted the outcome to be and once you decide to start firing shots towards the cops you've decided coffin.

Anonymous said...

Blaming the blog owner for the crudeness of some of these comments is ridiculous, however using the example of the blogger at 9:54 and the obvious sentence that is completely inappropriate, is maybe an example of a post that should not have been allowed to be published. As well as the cold statements insinuating that these Officers/Troopers would have been happy or hoped for this outcome.

I've seen many times where comments were removed or denied for "internal issues, or to spare others," however, where is the line drawn? This is a public forum and those that don't know any better are entitled to question and disagree with what occurred. BUT, to allow some of these comments to be aired can be questionable?!

You too have a job that can be thankless Mr. Jones. I appreciate your involvement in our community, for fast and informative news. I wish however, that when someone coldly states that our Troopers would look forward to this...for numbers...for fun, that their personal sacrifice on a daily basis which was most evident yesterday, could be enough to earn the respect to not allow such nonsense to be published.

Anonymous said...

This is truly a tragic situation and my heart goes out to the family and all law enforcement involved. No one ever wants a situation to end this way.

To those who want to play the blame game, hindsight is always 20/20. To sit here and say the PSP should've done this or that or that they were there with the intent of taking this man's life is ridiculous. In my opinion the PSP showed great restraint handling this tragic event. They were fired at multiple times for an entire hour before the decision was made to use deadly force. AN HOUR! You can't shoot at the police and not expect them to eventually shoot back. Had this happened in any city more than likely the police would have returned fire much much sooner.

Using this forum to pass blame doesn't help anyone involved and it surely won't help the family heal any faster. Again my thoughts and prayers are with the Wheeler family and all involved.

Anonymous said...

I think it's about time comments were closed on this. Really, what more can be added to what has already been said. Josh made a mistake. the police were doing their job. My prayers are with the Wheeler family and everyone who has been affected by this tragedy. We ALL need to just give this a rest and be supportive of our community!

John McAndrews said...

Josh was my Neighbor across the creek,although I did not know him personally, I can tell he was a good man,
possibly with some issues. I can also say with certainty that shooting him was certainly not the only option, Why family members were not allowed to at least talk with him on the phone,is a mystery to me,as it may well have circumvented this tragic loss for the Wheeler & kibbe family, my sincerest condolences and sympathy, to the entire family, most especially to his precious daughter who has lost her "Daddy".
I do know Joe & Marty Wheeler,and they are damn good people who dont deserve to live with this. knowing they were denied a chance to possibly help prevent this tragedy.
If I can help the family in any way please let me know.
in all sincerity,
John McAndrews.

Anonymous said...

I agree with post 10:40 on Foxes.How dis-respectful to the family.I will never again frequent Foxes and surely pass the word.

Anonymous said...

i say one thing here only what you guys say about the cops and josh . KEEP TO YOUR DAM SELVES . this site should be for boy scouts and girl scouts . and for the schools not here to rant on someones family or communnity. please people be respectfull

Anonymous said...

Study and learn the warning signs. Be there for someone if they cry out for help, don't turn and ignore.

This case is a done deal here and cannot be changed.

Maybe someone you know has acted out of sorts and seems not to be his or herself. This could be a subtle sry for help.

Anonymous said...

All my prayers go out to the family of Josh, My Children were raise in Harrison valley, and I can tell you that I feel that if Josh was given the opportunity to talk to his family IT WOULD HAVE WORKED!!!,I'm sure he was not trying to hurt anyone from that community,Because most of the people in this small community were his relitives of his.He had to have felt cornerd as we all would have in this situation,
As for the PSP they all make choices as to how to react to these differnt situations. On January 1 no more then 6 miles from Harrison Valley my husband & I had group of men from In our back yard drunk, shooting there rifles at something arguing & fighting with each other,no more then 500 ft from houses, community members were threatend that if thay got near to them( men with rifles) thay would be shot. we got pitcures of each of them as they were running by use to leave the scene.this action continued for about 1 hour We called the PSP at about 1:00 oclock They didn't not get there till 3:15.Did a short investigation Did not even talk to the other people involed whom had been threatend,We gave them names & addresses they did not even talk to them.Came back to use and explained that they felt that the men were just trying to dispose of a dog!!!So I think we need to look at how we handle every situation, Because everything is not by the books!!!!!

Anonymous said...

1st Admendment - Freedom of Speech (and opinion)

Granted the profanity could be blocked out. However, with TV, movies. a lax society people don't care.

Just walk near Sheetz & McDonalds when there are a bunch of kids -- you'll hear swearing and much worse.

Anonymous said...

Poster 11:30 am, would you have wanted the responsibilty that he was not going to hurt any of his relatives?

Have you ever been shot at not once but several times?

Anonymous said...

Seems you all forgot about Tim Williams.

I feel deeply sorry for Josh's family, but not for Josh.

What if Josh would have killed a child, bystander, or cop? I bet you wouldn't be so quick to stick up for him.

Anonymous said...

the law enforement of potter county needs to be schooled in realistic events they were more of the blame yesterday for not doing everything that they could have in my opion they blew everything out of porportion bunch of cowards. josh never would have killed anyone, but what happens when you back anyone into a tight spot with alot more force than needed the become deffensive and defend themselves wtf josh deserved better i hope the police get what they deserve in the end i know i lost sleep last night and probably will for awhile... so i hope our thankless super hero troops sleep very well
god bless josh and his family

Anonymous said...

Wow! How so many feel they better know how to deal with this situation after it is all done. This was a very sad and tragic event.One that I can imagine many of those involved wish never would have begun in the first place. I must say there has been very little intellent postings on here. It is so easy to blame everyone, isn't it? But truely is anyone to blame? Not the PSP, not the family, and in some way not Josh (he to is a victim of his own doing). The saddest thing is that he left a daughter behind that now no longer has A Daddy to watch her grow up, share in her accomplishments, to see her graduate from school, get married, and have a family of her own. This is the true tragedy. Has anyone even thought about what this poor little girl will be going through the rest of her life. The questions that she will someday wonder, for one: Why was I not reason enough for my daddy to not cause a situation of this magnitude.
I don't agree with any of the comments made on here that are bashing the law inforcement or anyone envolved. This was such a horrible and tragic incident.
I think the best thing any one can do now is just pray for this family in their time of greive and try to help them trough such a difficult time in their lives.

Anonymous said...

Ok this isnt the worst thing that has happend in potter county...There has been far worse acts around here other then this. And the question im wondering is why in the hell didnt the negotiator let him speak to his family he did no harm to anyone until he was told he could not talk to his family thats what got him really pissed off way to go!!!If i was told i couldnt speak to my family then i would have shot the fuck out of that police car too. We all LOVE AND MISS you Josh.RIP.My friend

Anonymous said...

I can tell you right now, if you shoot at me I will return fire. I see no reason for the cops to act any differently.

Let this be a leason kids, don't shoot at cops.

Anywho, I have no idea who this cat was.. but he sure was a bad shot.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned a nosey neighbor calling the cops to go there??? What concern did the neighbor have???

Anonymous said...

This isn't the worst thing that has happened in Potter County. Aparently, you have forgotten or are not aware of the events that took place before and after Elmer Slingerland escaped the jail 2 decades ago. That was by far the worst tragedy in Potter County. Or maybe the not so old murder / suicide in Roulette? This kid wanted to die and he got what he wanted. Can we all just move on already? He's better off but so are we.

Anonymous said...

He made a terrible, tragic choice and caused this catastrophe by not dropping his weapon (why did he need such a weapon anyhow?) and surrendering. End of story. No one is to blame except for him. Those who feel the loss look for ways to make sense of his indefensible behavior and blame others. That is just human nature when one experiences such a loss.

Anonymous said...

The neighbor probably just had nothing better to do. He got the gun from his grandpas. Which he probably left it there over hunting season or it was given to him by his grandpa. And he was just taking it home for safe keeping and the neighbor decided to put a inoccent person in the way of the law. And by doing so they put the whole community in danger.

Anonymous said...

He had choices to make and it looks like he made the wrong one. Why do so many feel the need to blame the police? Nothing has happened in this guys life that brought him to this point? Should the parents be blamed? His friends? Doctor, Lawyer maybe even highschool or gradeschool, someone that passed him on the street? Everyone is there own person, choices are theirs to make not blame everyone else. I really doubt it. As far as leaving a child and family he knew that.

Chip Wells said...

Anonymous @ 12:02 -

You would have "shot the fuck out of that police car too"? Would you expect to be shot by the police then also? Or should the police just let you shoot wherever the "fuck" you want to.

You appear to be a rational individual, huh? You really think things through, instead of acting on impulses.

Instead of doing something, or saying something to honor your friend, you choose to speak complete and utter nonsense. Grow up.


I don't see what is so difficult to understand about not letting the family interject. Let's try this a different way:

Think about your job...what YOU do for a living. Whether you are flipping burgers at McDonalds or the CEO of a company. Are you going to let someone (you don't know) come up to you and tell you how to do your job, or tell you to let you take over because you can do the job better? NO. So why should the SERT negotiation team let the family try to talk him down, so to speak? That is THEIR job...not yours. Period.

Like I stated in my previous post:

Suppose Josh was already past the point of surrendering...what happens if the PSP had let Josh's uncle talk to him, or any other family member, and all Josh wanted to do was say goodbye before he turned the gun on himself. At that point he kills himself at 12:30 p.m. and the negotiators didn't even have a chance to talk him out of it. So effectively the family member would have been the one responsible for his death? Nooooo...now your logic would tell you that there was nothing that could have been done to help him, and no one is to blame.

Again, you think he wouldn't have done that...that a family member could have talked him down. And again I ask, before this happened did you even consider that Josh was capable of doing this? By the way, if you say yes, then maybe you should look yourself in the mirror and ask why you didn't get him help.

The bottom line is that there is only one person, ONE, that had any idea what was going on in Josh's head, and that is Josh.

It is a shame that in the midst of this horrific tragedy that people are looking to place blame on someone else. It's not unusual, just a shame.

Everyone needs to stop pushing the blame, and stop trashing the police. Support the family...they need it the most.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is an expert on what should have been done. Cause and affect of many aspects are involved. No one is at fault, or is everyone at fault?
Some are left with out a friend, family member or Dad. Whether we(as a community or surrounding communities) knew him personally or not, I think this affected many, Such a sad story. RIP Josh.
May your daughter family and friends make peace with this.

C.W. said...

It is a well known fact that many law enforcement officers enter the field for the “enforcement” aspect only. Whether it be a bad childhood experience with a bully, not being allowed to play Cops and Robbers as a child, or just simply a power trip/character flaw, some of those uniforms who “serve and protect” us are there for other VERY unfortunate reasons.
 
Negotiation is a dialogue ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negotiation ) and dialogues require communication. Severing a phone line to the house would disable that. It seems that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania should re-evaluate what constitutes negotiation.
 
Furthermore, it amazes me that a “tactical” team couldn’t practice any tact at all! Insisting on following “standard protocol” vs. getting valuable input from family members proves just that. Perhaps communication may have resulted in not placing the police in even MORE of a dangerous situation. I truly feel that if phone communication were permitted by a relative (AS REQUESTED MULTIPLE TIMES), this situation would have ended for the better.
 
It is my opinion that a full-fledged investigation ensue this unfortunate event. I stand firm by my opinion that this was nothing more than a case of legalized execution!
 
Josh: May you rest in piece.
Family: My hearts go out to you and this horrific loss.
Law Enforcement: There is an old adage that states: “What goes around, comes around.”

Anonymous said...

im sorry but all of you that are judging the cobs or josh,how many of you were there.i dont think anyone wants to pull the trigger on a young man.and none of you have the right to judge josh.get a life give these people a break

Anonymous said...

I would just like to say you ppl that have negative to say about this why dont you stop and think about his family they lost a loved one...and his little girl who will never get to see her father again...stop being so ignorant he was a human being ..a son father brother and friend to many...weather he had problems or not he was a human being!!!!

Anonymous said...

Just think about how the team member who had to pull the trigger feels, my prayers go out to him.

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Anonymous said...

I think in order to post on solomons words you should have to use your name and adress, that would probably keep the weak little weenies from being so tough in the safety of their own computer chair.

R.I.P JOSH, I'M GONNA MISS YA BUD.

Anonymous said...

an earlier article talked about an 11-year old shooting into the brush. what if he was startled by the cops flying into the neighborhood?

Anonymous said...

Obviously things may have been out of controll, since one of the uncles was placed in handcuffs & his aunt was threatened to be arrested. Emotions on both sides weather family or PSP.

Randi said...

Ya know what! Anyone and everyone that is sitting here and running thier mouth on here, shut it! You have no idea the person he was, the capabilites that he had! Josh was a very rewarding person to know, he taught people alot, and was always there to do for anyone. He had a pure heart and always believed that one hand washed the other. He was an amazing Daddy and did anything and everything he could for his daughter, he was an amazing partner/lover, I spent the last year, totally amazing. He had our ups and downs like any relationship but always knew deep down our feeling were pure. He was an amazing son, grandson, uncle, nephew, and brother. He always knew how to make people smile even in the worse of times. Do his family, and friends a favor and back off... quit being so judgemental. Who the hell are you to Judge? Did you know him? Did you take the time to help him or praise him when things were good, NO! Peopl that knew Josh and took the time to get to know him as a person, understood his mind set, is mental level of thought. Yes, you may call it a sickness or illness, but he battled the hardships of life everyday like every other human being does, he was only looking for Happiness, Loyalty, Honestly, Prosperity, and Love just like we all battle to search for in everyday life. F**k you to those who judge. He just had a different way of dealing with life then everyone else, and damn you for belittling him and degrading him on here for the people who care about him to read. You should be so shamed of yourself.
JOSHUA CRAIG WHEELER, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH AND MISS YOU UNCONDITIONALLY, JUST THE SAME! YOU WERE AN AMAZING BOYFRIEND, A LOVING DADDY AND AN AMAZING FRIEND. LYNDS AND I WILL MISS YOU ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE. WE WILL MAKE SURE SHE GROWS WELL, BABY, AND NEVER TAKES SHIT FROM ANYONE. I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU IN HEAVEN, SOMEDAY. MAKE SURE YOU TURN THE ELECTRIC BALNKET ON FOR ME SO IT'S ALL TOASTY WARM WHEN I GET THERE, AND RUN MY "TUBBY" SO WE CAN RELAX AND SNUGGLE. BABY, I MISS YOU SO MUCH, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU IN HEAVEN SOMEDAY, UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN, HELP GUIDE ME THROUGH LIFE AND WATCH OVER ME TILL WE ARE TOGETHER AGAIN. I LOVE YOU BABY, REST IN PEACE, WATCH OVER ME DAILY AND I'LL SEE YOU IN MY DREAMS UNTIL WE SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN.
LOVE YOU ALWAYS AND FOREVER,
YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE MY HEART,
Your Green-eyed Baby (AKA RANDI)

E.W Reed said...

Prayers + condolences for Josh's family and friends. Didn't know him very well, but when you grow up in Harrison Twp you kinda know everyone there. Whether the force was necessary or not, human life is precious and it's a horrible tragedy when someone is lost. This time should be spent remembering him, not accusing and second guessing the situation.

Zachary said...

I have known josh for a while and yes we all have problems but everyone on here judging josh probly dont know him. Josh was a good person. the pigs should have let the family talk to him. to the wheeler/ kibbe family, im am so sorry for your loss and im sure josh knows that you guys would have helped him if you could. but the cops around here wanted to be heroes but instead that made fools of themselves and a life was lost. REST IN PEACE-Joshua Wheeler

Anonymous said...

Im sorry... some of these comments are outlandish... people are really blaming the State Police for shooting the guy. I dont care who you are... If you are shooting at me I will be shooting back at you

Anonymous said...

Again, I have to say I'm feel very sorry for those all involved. I pray for the family & friends of Josh, especially his lil girl. As well as the PSP.

However for those of you saying that the family wasn't allowed to talk to him. WERE YOU THERE?? DO YOU KNOW EVERY INTRECATE DETAIL???

Everyone on here is soooo quick to judge, let it go. Let him rest in peace and let the family begin to mourne without all of this crap. It does NOONE and I mean NOONE any good!!!!

Anonymous said...

Oh spare me. he is such a great guy he is this he is that. I'm not saying he isn't a good guy, but regardless if I had 100 troopers at my door I sure as hell wouldn't get a gun and fire at them for over and hour!!

The decisions he made, governed the actions that followed!! Would everyone be saying the same thing if he had killed innocent people in the area??

Oh yes, and let's not forget the nosey neighbor. If you can't find fault in the cops or the man who did, let's move to the neighbors. That seems like the intelligent next step.

Let's just call it what it is. He made poor choices in which ALOT of people are now paying for, mostly will be his daughter!!!

Anonymous said...

You are in my heart Josh, and so is L. I will always think of you when the sky is clear, the stars are bright and the phone rings.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Wheeler/Kibbe families.

Anonymous said...

My condolences to the family. The people that knew him have repeatedly said "you don't know him, don't judge him", please extend the same courtesy to the officers at the scene. Emotions are running high and it would be even more tragic if more people get hurt due to peoples lack of respect for all involved.

Anonymous said...

You know I sit here and read all of these comments and some are understandable and actual people who knew and know josh and how he was. Others are judging on yesterday alone. I knew Josh and this wasn't him. Granted he might have had some issues or problems. But in all honesty who the hell in this world doesn't have issues? Who are you to sit here and judge him when you didn't walk a day in his shoes to see how his life was. Just knowing him i knew that things havent been a walk in the park for him in the past few years. EVERYONE has a breaking point. I dont care who you are you have one. Some may never see it and others see it often. Some worse than others. Josh was a WONDERFUL AND AMAZING FATHER! He was a dedicated friend, brother, uncle, son, and so on. If you knew him you wouldn't be sitting here saying such nasty rude things. When I started out reading these. I was going to give my sympathies to everyone and that was it. Because running our mouths is not going to fix a damn thing and people are just ignorant and thats all there is to it. But after reading so many ignorant ones...I just couldnt not say something. Maybe Josh was in the wrong. Maybe talking to someone would or wouldnt have helped. THe point is that this situation did NOT have to end this way. There are so many other ways it could have been contained. My heart and soul is heavy with sadness for the whole Wheeler and Kibbe family. I am terribly sorry for your loss. Josh was an AMAZING person and he will be remembered that way!!!

Matt and Holly Kio

Amanda Potter said...

A tragic end to the situation indeed.

To those of you listing everything under anonymous, you should not waste your time to comment. If you have the audacity to make these comments why not have the courage to display your name as well. I guess I should post the definition for most of you, since judging by your posts you aren't very well educated.
au·dac·i·ty   
1.boldness or daring, esp. with confident or arrogant disregard for personal safety, conventional thought, or other restrictions.
2.effrontery or insolence; shameless boldness: His questioner's audacity shocked the lecturer.
3.Usually, audacities. audacious acts or statements.


Now that is settled. To those of you who knew Josh and posted kind thoughts in reguard to his family. May god bless you all. No matter the circumstances that surrounded the death of Josh Wheeler, he was not a monster, he was a human being. A father, a son, a brother, grandson, nephew, uncle and friend. Many people have lost a loved one by the tragic events that occured yesterday.

Josh may have had some troubles, in life, we all do. Some of us just don't know how to deal with them. Josh was a good person, to some lately, that seems to be lost as noone remebers the good that people do... but let someone make a mistake and that is all anyone ever associates with you.

Maybe instead of sitting here and downgrading Josh for his actions, or placing blame in all different directions, we should all be taking the time to remember him and the good things about him.....

Josh Wheeler had 30 short years to touch the lives of many. So why not share a good memory for his grieving family to read instead of the trash many of you have been posting.

“You can shed tears that he is gone,
or you can smile because he has lived.
You can close your eyes and pray that he'll come back,
or you can open your eyes and see all he's left.
Your heart can be empty because you can't see him,
or you can be full of the love you shared.
You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday,
or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday.
You can remember him only that he is gone,
or you can cherish his memory and let it live on.
You can cry and close your mind,
be empty and turn your back.
Or you can do what he'd want:
smile, open your eyes, love and go on.”

RIP Josh Wheeler, may you find the peace you have long needed.

To the Wheeler/Kibbe family, our thoughts and prayers are with all of you during your loss.

Chad & Amanda Potter

Anonymous said...

Just a question....everyone seems to be tied up with the statement that the police wouldn't let the family talk to Josh, EVEN ON THE TELEPHONE. I happen to know that Josh's uncle spoke with Josh on the phone before going to the scene. If a family member could "talk him down" and you are so certain of it, why was it necessary to go to the scene in the first place? Why wouldn't his uncle simply convince him to lay down the weapon and surrender peacefully? Apparently, noone has thought of that before they say that they are CERTAIN that the family could have tlaked him down. they had a chance, and apparently, they weren't able to do so. ALSO, by the way, if YOU are hiding behind something (car, tree, etc.) and I shoot at that object that you are hiding behind, knowing that you are there, does that mean that I'm not trying to shoot you, that I just happen to pick the object that you are behind as the appropriate bullseye for some target practice?

TP said...

Josh is not in this world is a small place. Each of us, I please. Fat, such as pine and hard and I will be planning the next laugh.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, this issue, I happened to tear gas. Instead, use the shooting was shot in one house.

Anonymous said...

Again, the children of today, this society does not work. Each time, many of the criticisms of the risk of adult children are all screws. child.even fails. If the police wouldn't have guessed I was standing it is running. In contrast, hrs what went to social security. Other facts, he wouldn't have been: the punishment must be obtained from any failure to attend at least

Anonymous said...

I am reading that he was a "good" son, a "good" father, a "good" brother, a "good" whatever.......but apparently he was NOT a "good" marksman.......nuff said.

Mike and Leta Brimmer said...

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the Wheeler and Kibbe Families...May God Be With You In Your Time Of Sorrow...God Bless You All! I am very disappointed in the respect some people have...I want to "Appologize to the Wheeler and Kibbe Families for what they have read on here...My family and neighbors Dan and Bonnie Lampman watched everything and heard everything it was nothing but a very, very SAD day...If you didn't hear it or see it, you shouldn't comment...And I also agree with Joel and Marty Wheeler (great people), Leave your name.....

Anonymous said...

Regardless of any right or wrong, yesterday was a sad day in Potter County. Josh, I didn't know you and I am very sorry for any pain, mental or otherwise you were going through and unable to receive the help needed. WE, the "great" nation have failed you. To the State Police and other law enforcement, I know they DO NOT like to "shoot to kill". It was a no win situation from what I am understanding. So, everyone take a moment from bashing, bitching and degrading and pray for the surviving family members, and every other person that was involved in this tragic event. If you really want to blame someone, then blame Margaret Murray O'Hara, she is the woman who sued everyone to have have prayer and religion removed from everything we know, thus starting the downfall of the our "One Nation UNDER GOD..." We now have no health care for LEGAL citizens but we sure do cater to illegals. Maybe if more people would stop bitching on this blog about stupid stuff and start bitching to our government about the crumbling of our nation, Josh would have gotten the treatment he needed, regardless if he had health care insurance or not. Isn't that the real crime here people?????

Shirley

john said...

PLEASE EVERYONE PLEASE lets stop all the negative reguardless whom it is against lets let the Wheeler/ Kibbe family grieve the loss of a loved one in peace, I am sure you would want the same if it were your loved one. If anything lets all get together and set-up or create a trust fund for his daughter,lets see some posative thoughts from people and let josh rest in peace and quit the bashing one another support the family and loved ones they are the ones that need it most at a time like this reguardless who thinks who did what wrong or right. STOP POSTING A BUNCH OF BS HIS DAUGHTER NOR HIS FAMILY DESERVE IT UNCLE JOE YES YOU ARE A HELL OF A MAN AND I AM SURE THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE AS GOOD A PERSON AS YOU ARE... LETS JUST GIVE THEM THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE

Anonymous said...

All of the negative comments made about police "around here" is completely unjustified. The local police had nothing to do with this. It was all STATE POLICE handling the situation! I am married to a local police officer and it is amazing the ignornace shown towards all law enforcement officers as well as their families. I do not choose sides either way. I am sorry for the loss of Josh. I did not know him but it is awful to deal with the death of a family member. I can not imagine how any of his family or close friends are feeling! My condolences go out to everyone! The people that knew him have repeatedly said "you don't know him, don't judge him", please extend the same courtesy to the officers at the scene!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

You willed be missed by many Josh. RIP my friend. Thoughts and prayers to the Wheeler and Kibbe family at this sad time.

Anonymous said...

And yet people still fail to shut up about it and quit flaming him and his family.

Everything I said got ignored...nice.

There was plenty that still could have been done. They didnt have to send in the family...its called a phone. The same phone cops were apperently already using to communicate with him. Whens the last time you heard of anyone shooting thru the phone to kill anyone?

Yall fail at seeing the key points. And yes...the cops protected the comunity...but there were better ways of handling it as well, LIKE BACK OFF AND LET THE FAMILY TRY AND TALK HIM DOWN THRU THE PHONE. They didnt do that, and naturally that just made the situation worse.

I hope this situation isnt ever in your court where its one of your family members...cuse sadly...your just gonna hear the same kind of response of everyone running off their mouths saying the same crap.

Frankly...any and all comments that just didnt leave something nice to say should have been just left out. The family doesnt need to see that kinda crap comming from peoples mouths right now. Theres a Freedom of Speech law...but unfortunately people mistake that to mean they can just do whatever the hell they want by putting people down at a time like this.

Anonymous said...

Let's just drop this BLOG Too Much is being said. I still put my praise to the psp. Their lives were endangered. Thank God they are still with us today.

Joleen Ferguson said...

Just leave this poor family alone, don't you think they have been through enough!

Anonymous said...

Please people, show some respect for his daughter, who knows how to use a computer and how to spell her fathers name. Could you imagine this happening to your child?

She deserves at least the good memories and fond words of her father, regardless of how you really feel about him, and whatever did and did not occur on that day.

RIP.

Anonymous said...

well there wouldnt b negative comments but the police where out 4 blood....not 1 of them wanted to help...if they wanted to they would of let him talk to family in his time of need..personaly i think all the cops in this area need to figure out that they dont need to be a bunch of tuff guys/a**holes

Anonymous said...

Dear Readers. Contrary to the belief of some on here our State Troopers are highly trained and some of the best in the country. God bless them. In situations like this they have protocols to follow. One of which is to protect you and I, the innocent family next door. What a different tone some would have if one of those stray bullets would have killed an innocent person or even one of the responding troopers. We have the constitutional right to bear arms, we don’t have the constitutional right to shoot wildly, either in the air or at someone. Your rights end the first time you stick a weapon out a window and start popping off rounds, particularly at police. I’m truly sorry for this family’s tragic loss and I trust they find comfort and peace. And I’m sorry for this individual who lost his life in such a senseless circumstance.

Anonymous said...

Yep. The police were out for blood. They just wanted to notch another kill onto their belt. Obviously...considering Josh was only the 8th fatality since the inception of SERT in 1986.

Clearly...the police shot this kid as soon as they got there. Just opened fire on the house...take no prisoners!! Didn't give him a chance to surrender and end the situation peacefully.


Yeah! I hope every single one of you that is bashing the police never needs them. I'm guessing your tune will change rapidly then.

Go ahead, continue to bash the police and the excellent job that they did. You continue to prove how unbelievably dumb you actually are.

Anonymous said...

Who's to say that when the time came for Josh to head to jail that he wouldn't have gone down fighting just to try to avoid that? Apparently from a very good source this young man has been troubled for a long time and if you can't begin to help yourself, then no one else can help him either. I think enough has been said and everyone should just let things be done and let him rest in peace and pray for the officer that fired the shot as he will live with that guilt the rest of his life...having done the job he is trained to do....protect and uphold.

Anonymous said...

For those who think the police acted inappropriately...for those who think that it was ok for the troopers to be shot at without returning fire:

http://tinyurl.com/yefjnrw

or

http://tinyurl.com/y8nnne7

or

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/

And this list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on.

Some of you wanted the family to get involved. So the negotiation team was supposed to stand up and ask if anyone could help? Really? Should that be standard operating procedure for every situation the SERT encounters..."hey, we're here, now can anyone help us do our job?"

Or should they just have gone out of their way to let the family help with THIS situation because it deals with people you know.

You people need to start to think before you speak...or just stop speaking and go support the family that you are trying (albeit poorly) to defend.

Bill said...

For post 5:13.They are only your thought's,so you are the same as all the rest.Don't know shit.Just go back to Hillbilly Gulch where you came from.

Anonymous said...

Many of you on here are grieving the loss of a son, brother, or friend. I have lost people and understand the pain you all are going through, but placing blame on anyone will only temporarily make you feel better. Someone earlier posted and old saying and directed it towards the PSP.."What goes around, comes around." Well then, I would like to add..."The truth hurts!" I am no genius, but even I know that if I fire at police, they are going to fire back. I am also sure that Josh knew this as well. Now, I have no doubt that to many of you he was a very good person and loved by many, but that doesn't excuse his choice...not mistake. You should continue to love him for the person you knew him to be, but as an outsider who has a family member in the PSP, I can honestly say that I don't share those same memories. People need to be held accountable for own actions. It is sad to see so many people point fingers at the police or make statements of not giving him help. It is obvious to me that he did not want help. He made his choice and left you, all of his loved ones, to question it. The PSP did exactly as they were trained to do or what they felt they needed to do.

You are so consumed with hurt and anger over losing a loved one that you are making rediculous statements of how this should have been handled. Unless you have been trained and know and fully understand the protocal, then you truly have no right to question what they did. Until you have walked in their shoes, have guns fired at you (even though some say he was only shooting at the cars...really???), then you have no right to judge what they have done. You are all talking about the PSP as if they are just an inanimate object, but the truth is that they are people just like us. They, too, have mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, husbands and wives, and sons and daughters. Shouldn't you all remember the risk that your loved one placed them in. Also, many of you say that if he would have been allowed to speak with his family members that this horrific event wouldn't have happened, but I disagree. If that were true, the family would have stepped in and prevented this from even happening. Well, we all know that didn't happen. I personally feel safe knowing that we have well trained officers in PA, and wish them peace tonight and every night they have to encounter such an occurance.

Anonymous said...

To everyone whom use there freedom of speach Today,lets donate to daughter
$1 that would give her $175.00 for her needs.
God bless the Wheelers & Kibbie's our prays are with you.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Wow, Wow This is outta hand I'm sorry but no GOOD PERSON would put anyone in that kind of position where it's kill or be killed i will repeat no GOOD PERSON would do that. The hard cold truth is this young man knowingly ended his own life by his actions (PERIOD) He left his family and the law enforcement officers to suffer from this tragedy and i understand people are hurting yes it is hard to lose a loved one i cant even begin to imagine what his family and friends must be feeling and i pray they find some sense of closure somehow. Now with that being said these comments that are defending him and trying to tell me how (good) of a person he was you might as well stop because its not going to change how myself or the majority of people are gonna feel about this situation i praise psp for protecting the (INNOCENT) and i pray for each and everyone of them and there family tonight!

Anonymous said...

This is very tragic. I never personally knew Josh, but I grew up in the area. I can't leave my ID at the bottom, so I will let you know that my name is David Morgan. It is tragic what this situation came to. Now I can tell you, growing up in that area, if Josh wanted to hurt someone, he could have and would have. I can also tell you, that the State Police did everything in their power to try to save him. To allow a barrage of shots, that many times before action was taken shows it. Maybe things could have been done differently, we can Monday night quarterback this 'til we're blue in the face, but the fact is, because of the way it went down, at that point, they had no choice. If someone had gotten hurt, even by accident, none of those troopers could have lived with themselves. Yes, Josh was lucky that no innocent bystanders were hurt, but so was PSP. Those of you who knew Josh, my prayers are with you. For those of you using this blog to escalate an already sad situation, my prayers are with you as well. You are very cowardly to say such things under the cloak of anonimity(sp?) My heart goes out to the Kibbe family and friends. Anyone wanting to respond to my blog in a negative way need not wasted their time. I will not be back to read it.

Heather and Sarah said...

to all you people that are doubting on Josh: You obviously didn't know him the way that most people did. I know that me and my sister have known josh for awhile and he would never do anything like this to try to hurt someone. Someone pushed him off the deep end. And for the cops that shot and killed him. They should have at least let his family talk to him. They could have at least tried to talk him down. Our hearts go out to the Wheeler and Kibbe family. Josh will never be forgotten and he will always be remember as the funny guy that we knew.
Heather and Sarah

Anonymous said...

Everyone seems to bitch about the comments on this page but really the blame should be on the person who the puts the damn things through. A lot of people don't know this but the comments need to be approved by the blog owner before they are put through to where the public can read them. All that needs to be done is that the rude comments not be approved.

Does the person that owns this site have any respect for family members and friends of people that read this site or are they just trying to get hits?

Watch this comment not even go through.

Anonymous said...

First I would like to start by offering my deepest and sincere sympathy to the Wheeler & Kibbe families as well as any close friends. Most importantly I think we all need to keep his daughter in our daily thoughts and prayers. This is a tragic event that no family should have to go through and will take a long time for the emotional wounds to heal. In this time of sorrow we should not be pointing fingers and placing blame on ANYONE!! This is a time to reflect on Josh and as a small community concentrate our efforts on consoling the ones that are suffering. However in response to a lot of the bashing: I did not know Josh and I am sure he in his everyday life was an amazing father, brother, son etc.. He made a mistake as many of us do in our daily lives; our mistakes have not cost us our lives however Josh’s did. There are thousands of people that die each year from MISTAKES they make it does not make then terrible people just imperfect (aren’t we all?) I am a police officer in the area and it always shocks me the people that are so quick to place blame on the very men/women that are sworn to put their own lives on the line to protect the very ones that are here bashing them. Yes this is a small area however Police die in these areas too. Every day when I go to work I have to realize that there is a chance I may not come home today, and leave my family without a father, husband, Son etc… So many people tell me everyday that they would not want my job and have to deal with the child molesters, “creepy people” or the person that when you look at you may cross the street to avoid. No officer looks forward to using force or have notches on there bed post for every person they have arrested, injured by defending themselves or even the lives they have saved. I go to work everyday not for glory but in an attempt to keep our communities safe. The police in this situation were doing there job and I know for a fact that they made calls to certain people that may have a report with him to talk to him in an attempt to talk him down. So now tell me they were not thinking outside the box and exhaust every possible scenario. What about the elderly lady on Main Street that “Bullets went through her house” was she in danger? Is that why the situation was ended? I am sure the officers involved will loose sleep because I know I loose sleep every night thinking that someday I could not come home from work and leave my family without a father/husband because I didn’t react the way I was trained to because I was worried that someone might think that I made a bad decision and that they would complain about it. Or maybe worse get on a BLOG and ignorantly bash that decision.

Anonymous said...

Every hair on your head is numbered and when that number is up it doesn't matter.what you are doing you are going to leave this earth. His time was up and the Lord needed him. Please don't blame anyone. He is in a better place where there is no fighting and bickering. No one is to blame . God Bless his family. Have faith and he will heal you. The Police were only doing their job.

Anonymous said...

My heart goes out to the Wheeler family, it is never easy to lose a loved one, my condolences to all of you.
Someone posted that God has his reasons for this happening, maybe it is to let others know of the help that is out there for people. Could somebody please send out some websites that people can go to to get help for problems like anger management, alcohol/drug abuse, depression, money management, or any other things that may have been bothering this man. Others are out there with the same feelings that he may have been having. I know somebody that is having several of these problems and I don't know where to go for help, especially with no health insurance. So if somebody could start a whole new post/blog to get this information out to those who need it maybe something like this could be avoided in the future.
I'm not saying that Josh had any of these problems but in a few posts in was insinuated and I thought that maybe if he knew where to go for help it could all have been avoided.
Once again, I am sorry for your loss Wheeler family.
Cathy

Anonymous said...

Expect to die if you shoot at our police force. That isn't news - everybody knows that rule.

Anonymous said...

All the negative comments made about PSP are ridiculous, someone once told me the only people that have bad things to say about law enforcement officers are the people that tend to get in trouble, it makes no sense to me to bash the people that risk there lives everyday trying to protect us. Myself i have the utmost respect for these men and women. Ask yourself could you and would you do what they do everyday? Putting there lives on the line!!! Next time you see a trooper how about telling him thanks for all you do

Anonymous said...

THANK GOD FOR PSP

Live Right said...

Guess we can all learn from this. If you don't want to be made the talk of the town on this web site you better walk the straight and narrow.

Anonymous said...

It is simple...we all know right from wrong...and we all have decisions to make in our lives. Unfortunately this young man made the wrong choice. From what I read in the article he had fired 4 different times from inside the residence and the PSP or tactical team that are being bashed did not fire back until the fourth time and I have seen other cases where people just raised a weapon and the end result was the same. He had every opportunity to give up and come out. He chose not too. He more than likely knew that shooting at the police would result in them shooting back. One of his stray bullets could have hit an innocent person driving by or sitting in their house minding their own business. He chose to do what he did and by his choice he left behind parents, a daughter, siblings and other family, the police did not make this choice for him he did. It is easier to blame others than to take responsibility for our own actions or for the actions of the people closest to us. It is a tragic story but a tragic story that did not have to be. Our lives are what we make it we are not given second chances to make things right.

Anonymous said...

"I think in order to post on solomons words you should have to use your name and adress, that would probably keep the weak little weenies from being so tough in the safety of their own computer chair.

R.I.P JOSH, I'M GONNA MISS YA BUD".

where is your name??

Anonymous said...

I want to send out my deepest and dearest sympathy to EVERYONE involved… yes, I said everyone. This was a tragic situation for people on all sides. I don’t know all the circumstances but do know it had to have been terrible for everyone that was involved. You are all in my thought and prayers at this time.

I do have to say that some people are going way out of line on this site. How can you turn this into the blame game? What happened happened and none of this will change anything. Blaming Josh, blaming his family, blaming the PSP, taking it out on the poor guy who publishes all these, and even threatening to take it out on Fox’s!!!

Are you kidding me??!! The poor guy who manages this site it just putting up both sides of the story… right or wrong. And as for Fox’s.. Do you know Kris and Steve? These are 2 of the most amazing, hard working people I have ever met. They put all of their time into that place to provide for their family, and you say you will no longer go there because of something one of their employees said. How is that fair to them? Did they say anything on this site? So, one of their employees might be a whack job but they can’t fire someone for something she says on a blog. From reading the previous blogs, this girl says where she works & lives for that matter… go talk to her, tell her how you feel, but please don’t take it out on the owners of Fox’s because you don’t agree with something SHE said!!!

I wish everyone the best and hope everyone can just take a deep breath, step back, and stop worrying about so much about things we can’t change.

Anonymous said...

I have read all of these 190 comments. It is a sad situation for everyone. I know how the state troopers are around here and yes they do stupid shit, and make the situations worse. I do agree with who says that 5 hrs is enough? Who says that the police had the right to take his life? I am a mother of 2 and I live very close to hv. If I were driving through with my children or near where all the shooting was taken place and my children or myself was shot because of his carlessness to shoot where ever he wanted would the story be different? Someone could have been seriously hurt. Yes the situation could have bene handled different. Why didn't the family call him? Why didn't they try to find a way to contact him while all of this was goin on? I am sorry for the family and especially for the daughter who has to now live without her father and know how things went down. I feel so sorry for the parents who lost a son. That is every parents worst nightmare. I feel sorry for josh who was so troubled but couldn't find the courage to admit and go find help. I feel sorry for the troopers who had to kill a man. They were only doing what they thought at the time was the right and only thing to do. You can't judge people for situations that you haven't been in. I'm sure the trooper that killed him went home and thought of a million different things that he could have done different. I'm sure everyone is trying to find any reason or any person to blame for the sad result of the situation. Whats done is done and all we can do is offer support for ALL THE FAMILIES that were involved in this situation. Stop all the rude comments and support eachother. Nobody is helping anyone by blaming eachother!

Potter County resident

Janet Waltz said...

My thoughts and prayers go out to Josh's daughter and family. Even though I didn't know him well, no one can ever know the pain and loneliness he was feeling at that point and time. May his soul be at peace now.

Janet L. Waltz

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight, this idiot shot 100 rounds from an AK47 rifle at the police and neighbor's houses and you don't think they should have shot him? I'm so sick of reading about this. This kid made the choice. He had 5 hours to walk out of the house with his hands up. Then all his family would have had ample opportunity to talk to him, through the glass at a state prison. When you shoot at the police, you have 2 choices. Surrender and go to jail or die. He made the choice, not the police. Take emotion out of it. Yeah, he was a friend, yeah he was a father, yeah he was a son. So was the guy at the Pentagon, the kids at Columbine, the guy at VA tech. That doesn't make it right to shoot at anybody!

Anonymous said...

After reading these comments and personally knowing Josh, and seeing how people around here are justifying this his actions, I cannot help but to want to move as far from this area as possible.

Anonymous said...

im sure josh was a good person.but put your self in the cops position there were taking fire several times but kept on trying to talk to him.but he didnt listen so they had to do what they did to protect them selfs and others from his insane action that led up to his death.so i am deeply sorry about your loss but every action as a reaction way to go to the PSP,other cops who were thier risking there lifes every day TO PROTECT AND SERVE US

Anonymous said...

poster for Monday, March 8, 2010 10:44:00 AM EST..

Now close your eyes and picture one of those police officers as being you child. Now, picture you police officer child being shot and killed by any citizen. It goes both ways, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

Absolutely amazes me that people here are telling others they have no right to post anything that is not complimentary to Josh and/or his family.

Tell me, what right did Josh have to put innocent civilians and law enforcement personnel at risk?

What right did he have to put the children in the neighborhood at risk?

This could have been a much more tragic situation if someone's child had gotten shot.

I think any comment made here PALES IN COMPARISON to Josh's actions.

Period.

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