
Is it or isn't it?
by James Jones
Editor-Publisher
Solomon's words
Shortly after the PA DEP news release this afternoon detailing the quarantine of 28 cows who may have ingested wastewater from a leaking East Resources Fracking wastewater pond, an East Resources spokesman told the Associated Press that the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture may have over-reacted in quarantining the affected cows, that, testing ordered by the state showed that there were no harmful chemicals in the wastewater.
Previous news reports of the harmful dangers of Marcellus Shale wastewater have mentioned hazards like radioactivity in the water at 269 times the limit allowed in drinking water, and a myriad of dangerous chemicals that by themselves would have to be placarded as hazardous material.
And yet, in disposal of this wastewater, trucks hauling it are not required to display hazardous material signs. Those trucks are instead regulated the same as garbage trucks and only required to have a sign labeled as residual waste. When these trucks spill, it is considered a pollutant, not a hazardous material incident. Emergency responders found that out after a recent rollover of one of the tank trucks hauling brine in Potter County. The Fire Chief in charge reported it a Hazmat incident and it was dispatched as a Hazmat incident, only to be corrected a couple of days later by a Pennsylvania State Police news release that related that drilling brine is not a Hazardous Material and does not have to be placarded.
And just why do we need to know about this drilling waste?
If the Agriculture Department and the DEP did not err in their quarantine and resulting news release issued to the media describing possible deleterious effects from the cattle drinking from the waste water leak that ponded in their pasture, then we are looking at extreme and far reaching consequences to allowing Marcellus Drilling in Pennsylvania.
The Northern Tier of Pennsylvania is home to some of the best hunting grounds in the country. People from around the country come to these counties to hunt deer, bear and other animals. Many from the cities have camps where they make an annual pilgrimage to hunt for venison.
If these beef cows are in fact damaged from drinking this frack water, and it is likely that they did drink it as the animals like the salt taste, then it's likely that there won't be many deer who have not sampled these frack ponds across the northern tier. The low fences that enclose these ponds have no ability to keep out the deer and other animals that may decide to check them out.
If that is the case, then Pennsylvanians will more than likely have to kiss their venison goodbye. Hunters will be issued a warning with their hunting licenses not to eat what they shoot.
If this effluent that they have been pumping into the streams through our sewer plants and into the waters of the Commonwealth is capable of making beef inedible, then it probably is also capable of doing the same thing to the fish population, so you can catch them if they live long enough, but don't eat them. Night fishermen may be able to get a clue about this if the fish glow in the dark from the radioactivity.
On the other hand, Marcellus Gas is a great economic boon to the areas where drilling is taking place, both for the Commonwealth that has gained millions of dollars from leasing and will make much more from royalties as production ramps up and pipelines are put in place to take the Marcellus Gas to market and the individual landowner who has received hundreds of times what they paid for the land, by leasing the oil and gas rights.
With the rest of the country in dire economic straits, the drilling is making many jobs and enriching businesses in the food and lodging areas. Those business people spend money in the local area and the trickle down effect is good for most everyone. Farmers struggling to hold onto family farms, have been bailed out and some can now live like millionaires . It's hard to knock that, when historically farmers have worked from daylight to after dark, 7 days a week, and the only time that they get ahead is when they retire and sell out the farm.
Is it, or isn't it?
If it isn't dangerous, the brine from the well fracking could be spread on the highways in the wintertime and marketed across the northern states for snow and ice control. Possibly the chemicals in it could be recycled leaving only the salt that could be sold as salt blocks.
But we need to know, before we create an environmental disaster. Or nearly as bad, stifle an industry that can replace imported oil and power our vehicles and heat our homes, and bring a certain amount of prosperity to an area where there has never been prosperity since the big timber harvesting days of the early 1900's.
We need to k
now if this drilling is going to ruin our aquifers? Before we allow more drilling in our state forests and game lands, we need to know what the effect of all this earthmoving and drilling activity is going to be. Will it forever change the wilderness for the worse? Will it ruin the habitat for our wild friends. Will it pollute our streams & rivers so the fish and aquatic creatures can't live there anymore? Will our forests & streams be posted with no trespassing signs as the oil and gas companies protect their interest from the general public's view?
But if all these fears are baseless, as the publicity machine of the big oil and gas corporations continue to state, then we should be welcoming the drillers with open arms, as they are our economic salvation.
The question remains. Is it or isn't it?
Thursday, July 1, 2010
Marcellus Shale Wastewater: Is it Or Isn't It?
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What about all of the seismic blasting going on around this area also. (stakes along roads) I don't think any of it is really regulated.
I think there are just trying to see if our faultline will give out before California's.
What about all the blasting going on in the stone quarrys??? I know a women who they blasted behind her house for a quarry and cracked her foundation. Whats goiung to happen to RT6 In a rain storm dirt on the road also rocks.
ok, so here is a reasearch project for all you people that think that the drillers are bringing all this harm.
What do you think that a long term care facility does with all of a persons medications after they pass on?
It is my understand from a reliable source that they open them, disolve them in water, then flush them right down the drain. What about that chemical coctail that is tailor made to speed up your heart, or slow it down, or lessen your blood pressure... and the list goes on.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23503485/
How come your not concerned about that polution?
I think there is a double standard going on right now on this site concerning the drilling activity.
I don't see people disconecting from natural gas and propane to heat and cook only with non-petro products, like solar energy or wood.
I think you all are disgruntled that you name isn't on any of the checks....
I don't think all of us want the drilling to stop. Rather the lying about the way they are harming us to stop.
You read how you can drink the fraq water, then in the next breath about how the landfill won't allow it because it is too deadly.
Thinking WATER is more of a valuable resource then GAS!!! I want the drilling to STOP!! If our water goes bad were all screwed!
You're right....Thursday, July 1, 2010 10:31:00 PM EDT. You clearly have done your research. All of these dangers are present in our environment. THEY ARE ALL BAD...They will all cause us problems at some point, some now some later. So what's your point. I see my name on a settlement check suing somebody for destroying my health or one of my loved ones. I see royalties from a movie, like for example Love Canal. Really, I see greedy corporations and ignorant people, who see only $$$$$. Wait until the medical bills come in...then you'll see some major $$$$.
10:31
You seem to write in here all the time about how everyone is biased against the drilling, and how drilling is treated unfairly as opposed to the way we treat the people who live here.
You need to look around and realize that there is more to this argument than yourself and your monetary issues.
A little, or a lot of money isn't going to give us back what's being taken. It's not just jealousy of what others have, it's our entire way of life that's being placed in jeopardy.
It's not too much to ask that the people putting these chemicals in the ground be responsible for them, and it's not wrong or even a pain in the ass to anyone (but you, apparently) for the rest of us that live here to ask that we not be subjected to the unknown results of these chemicals in our lives.
Being safe isn't being jealous.
Wanting to know what these purely profit-driven companies are pumping into our ground and water isn't jealousy.
If it's too much to ask for you to be compassionate about others, it must be that when it gets too bad to live here, you'll take your gas royalties and move to where the environment hasn't been devastated.
Do us all a favor and go now. Please?
What are you people talking about? First, you are comparing handfuls of pills to millions of gallons of frack water.
And is it or isn't it? wtf? is the sky blue or isn't it?
PA is releasing a list of the known chemicals used soon, so maybe that'll finally answer your question if you have't figured it out yet.
Seems to me that we have some empty building/plants/factories in this area that could be revamped to handle this fracking water.
The old tannery building in Westfield has a water source and vats that could be used, has anyone even looked into that?
It could help the local small towns by employing local people and the water trucks would not have to travel as far to dispose of the water.
I am not disgruntled. And if I had land, I certainly wouldn't be offering it up for money. Fraking water leaked. There are tons of chemicals in that water. Some known carcinogens.
The gas and oil companies are coming into our beautiful area and offering up big bucks to people in our community, and they are taking it without knowing the risks or dangers, or, even caring in some cases. Give them $400,000 plus royalties and they don't have to do a bit of work? Very few would turn that down. The money is life changing, but they are doing a lot of irreversible damage to their land, the environment and their and Everyone Else's health.
Then you have these unfortunate people who don't own the mineral rights to their own land. They end up having the wells forced onto their property because they have no say and can't stop it.
Do some research and then tell me that this is safe. That you would be ok and with this and turn your head if our water becomes contaminated. There are a lot of people in this area with private wells that they use for their drinking water, and they are being threatened.
As far as the Frak water. They blast tons and tons of water into the ground. They don't even recover half of what they put into the ground. Where is that going? It sits there in our ground with all of these chemicals.
Money and greed are an awful thing.
Take it from a person with ruined water because of drilling- it's not about $$$- you couldn't pay me enough to live in this house! Sadly, I owe too much and the drillers have depleted my property value too much to move now. I am stuck with polluted water, a lying DEP, and drillers who don't care because they are still making their money and no one is holding them accountable.
If all you people are so concerned about your water being ruined, have your well tested and recorded NOW so that if something happens to it in the future you have proof that the gas co. ruined it.
I welcome the gas people, for me I think that getting some business and new money in this area is what is needed. Look around, people are are struggling. Heck ya I am looking foward to royality money for my land, I have been getting some for about 7 years now for the lease and I would welcome the drillers to set up in my back yard!! Hell i would even serve them tea! All the work that is right in the back yard is also a wonderful thing!!! You would be lying if you didn't want some easy money! Please stop whining about the freakin beautiful earth!!!! This is not the first time she is polluted! OPEN YOUR EYES there is pollution all around us everyday!!! DO you drive a car?.....Thats what I thought! Go green and go broke.
All the money in the world doesn't matter when your dead or your kids or grandkids start being born with three eyes and twelve toes.There is a lot of information DEP or the State will never release to the public regarding just how unsafe this fraking and wastewater really is.Money talks bowl crap walks and I'm pretty sure us rednecks up here in Northern Pa classify as bowl crap to the rich big wigs in charge of these operations.We are Minor technacalities that can be bought off for pennies on the dollar and when the health problems start arising they will be long gone.Just remember you can't take it with you when your gone.And that may come sooner than you think because of this.God Bless!
food for thought - The drilling companies are the only people that DO NOT HAVE TO SAY WHAT CHEMICALS ARE USED TO FRAC.... This is right from our government... think about that!!! must be pretty safe stuff!! NOT!!! DEP is sending out a list... makes me laugh because the only thing were going to see is what we already know... and it will not be the hardcore chems.
Watch GasLand and do some other research on this topic. Learn about how people's lives have been ruined in Dimock PA and other towns across the US due to the drilling and hydro-fraking.
Oz... have you seen the old tannery building recently? It is falling apart @ not of any use. But i do like ur idea that the frac-water should be treated locally @ create some employment here.
You can debate it all you want. It is coming, we can't stop it. I am for our water, land and our trees, wildlife. If you can't fix it you should not be here. We truly could just suck all of the oil and gas out of the gulf now and leave our rural areas alone. I for one hate it all. The drilling, logging, harvesting of natural resources. Some idiot said have your water tested, why. What good is it going to do? Once it is gone it is gone for good.
Well what is it? Millions of gallons coming to the surface or millions of gallons staying beneath the surface? Can't have it both ways. Besides, the millions of gallons that are pumped thousands of feet below the ground is almost entirely fresh water. When it returns to the surface, most companies recycle that water (99%) for reuse at other wells. That pretty much eliminates your argument that millions of gallons of waste water is produced at each well. Besides, brine has been spread on the roads in NY state for years.
Not that I disagree with anyone but east resources is one of the only drilling outfits in pa right now who are treating frac water and the water and drilling fluids created while drilling they currently have two locations set up in toga county and have since last october treating up to 4000bbl (barrels) or 168000 gallons every 24 hours on each site, they 100percent recycle all the water they use and I know this for a fact because I am the project supervisor for Baker Hughes Drilling fluids and we are the ones doing it for them...and there are a few more companies interested in us doing this for them but we havnt taking the jobs because we are currently working on upping our manpower...so get out there and help us come up with a solution, sitting around whining about it doesn't fix the problem if people where that concerned they would be coming out and researching ways to make it better because believe me these guys up here from Texas and wherever could care less about our wildlife it's our responsibility to make sure something is done I am a potter county local who has been in the oilfield for 3 years now I'm just glad I'm doing something positive like recycling water for east resources to help secure our wildlife future (sorry for the grammar I'm on my phone)
Steve,
Thanks so much for your informative, positive comment. It is refreshing to have a sensible response from someone in the industry, rather than the incessant ridiculing responses the paid industry media monitors generally send. Thanks for the information and the suggestions. We do care abut our environment and it is obvious that you do too.
I am Director of the Center for Healthy Environments and Communities at the University of Pittsburgh's Graduate chool of Public Health. Academic reports show the fluid that comes back from the shale layer is enriched in barium and strontium as well as chloride and other elements--it is also highly enriched in organic compounds that can offgass from frack ponds as well as could make the fluid toxic. Also the fracking chemicals themselves could change as a result of there use because of the pressures at depth and interactions with many elements and chemicals let loose in the fracking---we do not know the species of chemicals at all that are coming out of the well-other than what is in the flowback and produced water from the shale itself--and although I just used these terms---a better name for this is contaminated fluid---it is not really water at all---calling it water of any kind implys that it is not a problem. For instance--although at a steel mill the water that goes back into the rivers from a process like pickling is called effluent---it is a recognition that this is no longer water - although water carries the contaminants in the process--
CHEC is analyzing contaminated Marcellus shale fluids now from a spill so that we can determine if it falls into the category of hazardous waste--we will let everyone know the results of this.
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