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Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Potter County License Plate Available

Show your Potter County Pride by purchasing the brand new
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20 comments :

Anonymous said...

Only $40.00? Where is the profit from these going??? I think PennDot gets enough of our money.

David Brooks said...

This is a fundraiser for the Potter County Visitors Association(PCVA). $20 goes to PennDOT and $20 to PCVA. $40 is just about equal to a standard registration renewal for passenger cars. After the inital $40, your usual yearly registration fee is all that you have to maintain.

PCVA is a non profit that provides tourist information to the thousands of visitors who come to Potter County every year and keeps our businesses alive so we can enjoy the services they provide as well.

Anonymous said...

David,

What is the PCVA position on the proposed wind projects and their impact on the county & tourism?

Thanks in advance

David Brooks said...

PCVA has no official position on the proposed wind project. The only facts I found were from a study from Scotland on the impact of wind farms on tourism and basically it said that they neither helped nor hurt the number of travelers to those areas.

We did successfully lobby DCNR for the study on the effect of the lights on the dark sky park at Cherry Springs State Park. The study showed less light polution impact from the wind farms than any of the 4 or 5 of the surrounding towns, even if all the lights on all the windmills blinked at the same time.

So from our perspective this boils down to a matter of personal opinion, when talking about the views and scenery impact and a private property rights issue when talking about land development.

Anonymous said...

"Untouched, Unspoiled, Untamed?"

Anonymous said...

I thought the PCVA and the Route 6 Tourist Association were very concerned about the protecting the Route 6 viewshed and lobbied the former commissioners on the issue.

Furthermore, most astronomers one talks to, don't seem to be too happy about the proposed industrial wind turbines.

Anonymous said...

"We did successfully lobby DCNR for the study on the effect of the lights on the dark sky park at Cherry Springs State Park. The study showed less light polution impact from the wind farms than any of the 4 or 5 of the surrounding towns, even if all the lights on all the windmills blinked at the same time."

There ya go anti wind turbiner's...the report was requested and issued but you do not like what it said so poor Eddie the Star Gazer is still makin' noise!? Like I said before and I will say it again YOU pick and choose what you want to from reports...this report was from PA not NY or any other state you keep comparing things to!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Brooks,

There was a second study done by a Pennsylvania concern, The Pennsylvania Outdoor Lighting Committee and that study concluded that the wind farms would have a negative effect on Cherry Springs.

If you care to e-mail me I will send you the link.

The grave problem as we see it is not just one wind farm but that 7 more are proposed and there are more on the drawing boards.

What AES won't tell you that there will be several spots from Cherry Springs that the red-strobed turbines will be visible from several locations on the field.

We are very concerned because in addition to the strobes, extra development will probably occur and it will be more difficult to work with local Twp Supervisors to pass lighting ordinances that will direct light to the ground and not into the sky thus protecting Cherry Springs.

Fact is that there just are not too many places that are as Dark as Cherry Springs.

If these wind farms are allowed to build in and around Potter County, within a few years, most of us will go elsewhere.

Please do remember that we spend our hard earned money in Potter and as such, we are a revenue stream.

P.Edward Murray
ed1ward2@verizon.net
Past President,
Bucks-Mont. Astronomical Assoc., Inc. A Membership-based, 501 (c) 3 Non-Profit Educational Assoc.

Anonymous said...

A couple of other points on the Clanton study...

They are a member of IDA so the thinking apparently was that they would be ok.

Not...

They missed several key points:

Any additional light will be prohibitive and all additional light, not directed down to the ground will be cumulative.

Photography will be seriously impacted.

They also failed to address the fact that it's not just the AES Corp that wants to build. From my knowledge there are at least 8 proposed in Potter and surrounding counties with more on the drawing boards.

It's beginning to look like the industry wants to make the area the "Wind Farm Capital of Pennsylvania"

Apart from the strobes this might not be bad...

With a couple of exceptions:

One is that Potter County just isn't that windy with 2 and 3 class winds.

Second, it the fact that apparently the electric grid is already stressed to the max per a NY Times article this week told of a wind farm in NY state that can't run because of the grid.

So it looks like the county needs to adopt a "go slow" methodology until all these problems can get ironed out.

I care about Potter County very much and would like to see some additional growth to enable folks to get jobs here.

What I don't want to see is that comes at the expense of Cherry Springs State Park, the very first Dark Sky Park in Pennsylvania and only the Second International Dark Sky Park on this planet!

Ed Murray

Anonymous said...

David,
We know you to be an open minded man with passion by the job you have done as Director of PCVA.

Please read the second study mentioned above. Consider how doting the landscape with the turbines will impact.

When something gets plentiful it ceases to be of interest to people. One small low height farm in the far north of the county is one thing and could be a novelty.

Larger towers placed everywhere throughout the County which will impact Cherry Springs and the general appeal of the County will dilute the appeal of the County. We will become like every other county.

Why would the Smith family drive 4 hours to see turbines when there will be turbines 2 hours away.

They will make an economic decision to spend less on travel and go to the closer destination.

We need to keep the County as unique as possible in order to create a desire for people to visit.

All of the great tourism areas in the country have something extremely unique about them.

Please don't wait for " a scientific study" to sway you. There are none.Sometimes you just have to go with your gut reasoning.

There is only one chance to speak out, once they are up it is too late.

Come out and take a stand with us for tourism here, please.

Again, thanks for all of your hard work.

Anonymous said...

"Please don't wait for " a scientific study" to sway you. There are none.Sometimes you just have to go with your gut reasoning."

We pro wind energy people are to read, read and reread the studies you anti people post but you can tell the PCVA that it is ok to go by "your gut feeling" and not be swayed by a scientific study? Talk about an oxymoron, whew!

"What AES won't tell you that there will be several spots from Cherry Springs that the red-strobed turbines will be visible from several locations on the field."

Boy I find this very very hard to believe...do you have the exact locations these turbine's are going to be placed that will make them visible from Cherry Springs?

"It's beginning to look like the industry wants to make the area the "Wind Farm Capital of Pennsylvania""

I think we had better remember to pick our battles people...IF we do not take clean green energy now we will end up with a nuclear waste dump in the near future and I am not blowin' smoke!

PA is one of the states in the union that produces the largest amount of nuclear waste and the state that has had a 10 year plan to take our waste along with others states waste is ready to close their deal! But I guess as long as it is burried it will not bother the dark skies...think about it!

Anonymous said...

Yes we have a heck of a lot of data. I keep trying to advise all of you who are:

Anti Cherry Springs...

To do your research..

But you never do.

Yes, we do know where these turbines are going to be located.

Do your research!

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

And as far as being worried about nukes...

After living on this planet for nearly 52 years, I've learned a few things...

What things are possible to change and what are not.

I'm not a novice at politics.
I've probably taken part in more campaigns then you have and have run for political office and won.

I've been a environmentalist and lost good fights.

I know I have to choose my battles carefully and choose the ones that are winnable.

I know about this and you don't.

That is what makes me different from you.

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

One more thing...
Some of us don't believe much in

Wind Farms.

I believe they should be used sparingly at sites which are the windiest.Most folks, I think would find this a logical approach, rather than siting them in places where they just aren't as efficient. But then, most folks aren't Electrical Utilities either.

Many of us believe as Al Gore does, that we should be able to have small wind turbines and then able to sell the extra electricity back to the power companies.

But all of this is just talk unless you have the means, in this instance a power grid, that is capable of carrying the new load created by these devices.

And right now, it's just talk.

Besides, as I've said before. Replacing one form of pollution with another is not the answer.

And there is an educational aspect to this as well.

About 97% of us Americans have never seen a truly dark sky or the Milky Way, which is our Galaxy, in all it's glory.

Cherry Springs gives everyone the opportunity.

Today, if you have the luxury, you have to visit a Planetarium to see the Universe as it truly is and you just can't, for the most part, see it any other way.

If we don't know what our universe looks like or even understand a little bit, how are we going to expect the children of today and tommorow to make good decisions?

If we don't teach them this science can we expect them to understand much else because in a very true sense, Astronomy is the mother of all sciences.

And have we not already begun to see the dumming down of science? Don't you know that there are folks who really think Americans didn't land on the Moon?

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

First of all Eddie Star Gazer...3 post in a row to get your point across, take a breath buddy!

"I'm not a novice at politics.
I've probably taken part in more campaigns then you have and have run for political office and won."

WELL SO HAVE I, so do not assume as it makes an ass out of you!

"I know I have to choose my battles carefully and choose the ones that are winnable.
I know about this and you don't.
That is what makes me different from you."

My word little man, what a mouth full.

Now how about answering the previous bloggers question of the day..."13 Million dollars of tax payers money", is this the price tag Cherry Springs cost ALL of us tax payers of the Commonwealth?

Anonymous said...

Here's my answer:

From "The Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania"

"Natural Resources and the Public Estate
Section 27.
The people have a right to clean air, pure water, and to the preservation of the natural, scenic, historic and esthetic values of the environment. Pennsylvania's public natural resources are the common property of all the people, including generations yet to come. As trustee of these resources, the Commonwealth shall conserve and maintain them for the benefit of all the people. "

So, what our state constitution is say is that we have the right to preserve the natural,scenic and esthetic values of the environment as they are common property of ..

"ALL THE PEOPLE".

And the state is the TRUSTEE of these resources.

So let me state it bluntly:

Those who are pro wind want to be in violation of our state constitution.

They don't care about our natural resources and they don't care about protecting the natural, scenic and esthetic values of the environment.

And, in fact, their viewpoint is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

They are no better than folks who want to plow over every blade of grass for a shopping mall or any other kind of development.

Cherry Springs is the only Dark Sky site in Pennsylvania.
It is one of very few dark sky sites east of the Mississippi.

And in fact, the State of Pennsylvania, in 2000, designated Cherry Springs as the first Dark Sky Park & Preserve in the Commonweatlh of Pennsylvania.

Not only that but just last year, in 2007, The International Dark Sky Assoc. (IDA) designated Cherry Springs as only the Second INTERNATIONAL Dark Sky Park in the world.

Now, all of you wind farm advocates, I'm sorry but you are mistaken.

Take the strobes off and you can probably have your wind turbines.

But, you know, I think you won't want to do this and I rather suspect that even if we do regulate the strobes, you will probably find every means to defy our good intentions as we continue to educate the public about bad lighting practices and how we can save money by using full cutoff fixtures.

I even suspect that you will do everything you possibly can to make sure we have a difficult time persuading local communities to institute Lighting Ordinances that favor good lighting practices that save money.

Well, I'm sorry but there are people who live in Potter County and in Pennsylvania who will not stand for your viewpoint.

And there is not one single thing that you can possibly do or say to shut this patriot up.

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

Oh, I get it, one upmanship huh?

Right...

Well, I'm an astronomer, you are not.

I care about protecting the night sky as a natural resource and you don't.

And as Ive just stated, the Pennsylvania Constitution says that the state is the guardian of natural resources.

And if you don't like that, then I'm sure there are a heck of a lot of folks that are ready and willing to debate you.

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

And as far as any monies that have been spent, well it's part of the Park system.

Think that it's easy to get state money? Try again, my friend, try again...

Now, go right ahead and cry to your local state rep and state senator.

Know what?

They will probably brush you off and then, in private, they will laugh at you.

BTW, there are monies being spent on this that are donated private funds too.

The fact is that this effort is going to be watched around the world as folks will be trying to see if this local government understands that science is more important than political correctness.

America, after all, is not the leader in a lot of areas because of George Bush and friends.

The Japanese and other foreign nations have better educational systems without spending as much money as we do and yet, folks like you want to keep us ill-informed.

Fine if you want that for your family but you have no right to choose bad education for everyone else!

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

Just looking at Mr. "Anonymous" comments I must add my own...

You stated that the DCNR report was "...from PA not NY..."

Clanton and Associates is an

OUT OF STATE FIRM!

The POLC (Pennslyvania Outdoor Lighting Committee) is a

HOME GROWN PENNSYLVAINIA concern.

These folks are NOT in sales, they
DO NOT sell lighting,

The CLANTON firm SELLS LIGHTING.

Sorry, but this makes a difference!

P. Edward Murray

Anonymous said...

"Those who are pro wind want to be in violation of our state constitution.
They don't care about our natural resources and they don't care about protecting the natural, scenic and esthetic values of the environment."

I said it before and I will say it again...WE CAN HAVE BOTH!!! But you have been so busy tooting your own horn that you only see it your way! There is a way to have clean green energy from wind turbines and preserve the dark skies at Cherry Springs, it is called communication and working together on both sides. You are too ONE sided on the issue!

"Well, I'm sorry but there are people who live in Potter County and in Pennsylvania who will not stand for your viewpoint."

This is just another one of your polite comments. And proves your attitude, "Our Way Or No Way"

"Now, go right ahead and cry to your local state rep and state senator.Know what?
They will probably brush you off and then, in private, they will laugh at you."

Voicing ones opinion to our county and state servants is not "crying", you just keep demeaning all us POTTER COUNTY TAX PAYING REGISTERED VOTERS don't ya?!

And I will tell you one thing Eddie star gazer they have NEVER EVER brushed me off or laughed at me!

"And there is not one single thing that you can possibly do or say to shut this patriot up."

And to your closing remark in one of your many replying posts...DITTO