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Thursday, September 4, 2008

Hebron Township Supervisors Table Wind Regulations

Members of the Hebron Township Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to table the township's proposed industrial wind energy regulations.

Supervisors Jerry Lambert, Barney Saulter and Jack Wilson listened to more than 90 minutes of dialogue with about 35 citizens in attendance before deciding to postpone any action.

They agreed to monitor developments with a proposed countywide wind turbine ordinance and then decide if Hebron Township should adopt its own regulations.

Eulalia and Sweden townships have also postponed action on draft ordinances, pending the outcome of the county commissioners' deliberations and a public hearing set for Thursday, Sept. 11, at 7 pm in the courthouse.

Ulysses Township has hired outside legal counsel to advise the supervisors on a possible local ordinance.

Homer Township Board of Supervisors adopted an ordinance earlier this year.

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Anonymous said...

What happened with Homer Township? Why did they rush and adopt this ordinance while the other townships are tabling?

Anonymous said...

Homer Township was approached early on about the wind issue. Because the county had not acted (and still hasn't after all this time!) and because a wind developer was interested in locating turbines in the township, the supervisors thought it would be advisable to pass some kind of ordinance in the absence of any county regulation. They were also pleased to see that the wind developer would make some donations to the township coffers on a per-turbine basis, since the state has pretty much exempted the wind industry from real estate taxes. Yes, the Homer Township ordinance was based largely on the state model ordinance, which we now know was put together by the same foxes who wanted to raid the henhouse and other foxes who wanted the henhouse to be tax-exempt. As the supervisors come to realize how weak their ordinance is and how much it fails to protect the neighboring property owners, there is nothing to stop them from adopting a stronger ordinance if that is what the citizens of Homer Township want. But how many citizens from that township have even discussed the issue with the supervisors?

Anonymous said...

One poster writes:
What happened with Homer Township? Why did they rush and adopt this ordinance while the other townships are tabling?

The answer: Personal gain and no concern for the township. We that live hear will pay the price for electing these three.

Anonymous said...

Homer township supervisiors looked at the Model ordinance that said a setback of 5 times the turbine hub height (Approx 1300 ft)from a non-particapating land owner and changed it to 750ft. WHY!!! They took a poor unprotective ordinance and made it worse and then pushed it through without any of us knowing it and past it. Yes, it was legaly advertised, but no one caught it. Mike Malcahey from Port Allegany, McKean county is the wind promoter and he has no backing from a real wind company. The money that Homer township made a deal for is with a pretend company Mike has made up.
"Jumping the gun" on the passing of the wind ordinance is an understatement. It has left us here in Homer township a lot worse off than if they had done nothing.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it couldn't have been that they were being proactive & progressive and thinking about the benefits to their township. Naw.... I'm not sure thinking like that can occur in this county. :-\

Anonymous said...

Since the Homer township supervisors seemed to have snuck one past the residents (and taxpayers) of the township, what can the residents do to reverse or amend the ordinance and how do we get started? I live there and don't want to see, hear, smell, or drive by those terrifying things.

Anonymous said...

Well, for starters, you will need to come up with some scientific proof that the Wind turbines will cause harm to the earth and or humans or even animals. The commissioners will be sharing their Scientific data at the 9-11 meeting. Please be there. Unfortunatly, personal opinions just wont cut it.

Anonymous said...

On the subject of sneaking around, did anyone read the Potter leader enterprise yesterday?
As far as seeing the Wind turbines, we CANT choose what our neighbors put on their property.
On hearing them, they are quieter than regular noises such as ATVs, kids playing, the dishwasher... etc, will you be asking neighbors to cut these things out of their life as well?
Or do you where earplugs?
Smelling, not really an issue.
On driving by them, there are so many things I dont like to drive by that I cant imagine someone making a law to get rid of all unpleasant sites for drivers.
Maybe what you need to do is visit Somerset or somewhere that has wind turbines, to get some FACTS.

Anonymous said...

I have seen pictures of these towering monsters and they are terrifying to even look at. I know there have been studies of how these things interfere with vision due to them interferring with sunlight as well as the destruction of birds, and yes, the DO make noise, so, I have some FACTS and all the FACTs I have read have been NEGATIVE FACTS.

Anonymous said...

As I stated before, I don't know enough about the wind turbines to make a judgment yet But,

What I do know, is that there is a bigger issue that is coming into the conversation.

If you own real estate, you can pretty much do what you want on it. unless it is illegal, or it is listed in your deed that you cant do that.

Here is a good example. Say you buy 2 acres of real estate, you build a 200K home, landscape it 2 car garage etc... say when it is all done, it looks to be worth 300K. someone buys a 1/2 and acre across the road. they move a used mobile home in, have 2 horses, 3 dogs, 6 kids, 1 is married and lives there with his wife and there 4 kids.

Now your house is worth, to be honest, it is worth nothing with that across the road.

There is nothing you can do about it, but move, or buy all the real estate around you so you can control what happens around you.

the big issue here, is home owners have rights to do what they want on the property, and there neighbors have very few if any rights as to what they do.

Why is it ok for something's and not for other things. Gas Wells, Gravel Pits, Horses, barking dogs, a home business, adult entertainment club etc.... you know what I mean.

I don't know the answer but where do your rights start and end???

Anonymous said...

If Homer township did adopt a 750' set back, the supervisors put the residents in harms way. These things sling ice in the winter. GE wind turbines has a formula for ice throw. It is 1.5 X (total height+ rotor diameter. For most of the turbines they want to put in Potter County, this comes to around 800' to 840' recommended set back. All you folks in Homer better put a helmet on in the winter.

Anonymous said...

I need to correct my last posting. The formula for ice throw uses hub height, not total height. I don't want to be accused of providing bad information. The set back number are correct.

Anonymous said...

I say, no oil and gas drilling, no wind turbines, no spreading manure on the fields, no farming, no cutting trees down or anything else that ruins our land.....Give me a break!!!!! Do we own our own land or not? Sounds like a few want to let you pay taxes on your land but they have the say so on what you do with it....

Anonymous said...

GROW UP!! This is why the problem is so severe..a few haven't a clue just how overwhelming an assault this will be. Knowledge is power..
this isn't manure...or even
properly drilled gas wells....
This is a massive Industrial complex. Sadly this is not about
1 land owner with 2 or 3 turbines..
it is about the combined assault..
and total lack of community planning or neighbor's rights
to live peacefully and safely on their land.

Anonymous said...

Comparing the sound produced by wind turbines to other everyday life sounds is like comparing apples to oranges, and is distracting people from understanding the very serious health issues these wind turbines present. Farmers don't harvest at night. ATVs drive by and are gone. Kids playing and dishwashers running won't disturb someone a mile away - and that’s how far the low frequency sounds from wind turbines travel. Wind turbine noise can disrupt sleep and trigger migraines in those hypersensitive to sound - seems like a form a torture to me. Maybe we should have to right to do anything we want within the boundaries of our property lines, but none of have the right to torture our neighbors.

Anonymous said...

I am not against the idea of wind farms, if in fact they prove to be beneficial. I am not against the use of technology to improve life on planet Earth. But, I am against exploitation and being used as a guinea pig against my wishes. I am against corporate and political greed, and that what this is really all about. I am against developers ravaging our countryside for the simple reason they’re making money on the installation wind turbines, with little concern that Potter County (or the state of Pennsylvania, for that matter) is not a viable location for the production of wind power (there is simply not enough wind). I am against politicians who are advocating the installation of wind turbines for what amounts to bragging rights. I seriously doubt the politicians who have opened the doors to wind farm development will ever have one installed 750 from their front door.

Anonymous said...

I've heard that the cost to produce electricity from wind turbines is higher than with coal, water, or nuclear – I imagine in part because it take a whole lot of wind turbines to produce the some amount of energy as one traditional power plant, AND all the power produced by turbines is unusable. We have no control over when the wind blows. During peak damage times, the wind is not always going to blow, so no electricity from these things if we need it. If it’s really windy and the power grid has no need for the electricity being produced, the turbines will be turned off – there’s no want to store the electricity being produced.

Our electric rates will not go down; in fact, they may go up. The electricity produced by these turbines will not be fed directly into our homes; it will be fed into the local electrical grid and the price of electric power is determined by those who buy and sell energy. I’ve also heard that AES is lobbying Harrisburg to remove the caps on our electric bills – all so they can make more money. Wake up people! This is all about money. It has nothing to do with “going green.” Corporations like AES have just latched onto this code phrase as another way to trick us out of our hard earned dollars.

Anonymous said...

Wind turbines need to receive electricity in order to function. What if all they produce is enough electricity offset the amount they use? What’s the point of having them at all?

Anonymous said...

How are these turbines going to feed electricity into the power grid? Are the power lines that snake around out hillsides sufficient? Are will more be need to be built, bigger ones to handle the power load? Will our hilltops become a spider-web of power lines? How much more of our countryside will be destroyed? How much personal property will be seized to obtain easements for utility right-of-ways?

Anonymous said...

Wind Turbine Syndrome appears to be real.


Anonymous said...

I think it's real alright.Sounds like....They didn't ask to lease my land,just my neighbors.I am not making anything from this.It would make me sick too!No real medical or scientific evidence to back it up.Sounds just like the ones who don't own thier mineral rights when next door gets a check every month.

Anonymous said...

Are these people making it up or are you just an angry, vengeful bitter human being?

Your benchmark & rebuttal boils down to money, which indicates you don't really understand the discussion.

For the people against wind turbines, It is not and has never been about getting money.

Is there a medical or scientific study to dispprove these peoples allegations?

—reprinted from WFAA-TV (Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas), written by Janet St. James, 7-29-08

SAGINAW, Texas—T. Boone Pickens says they’re the wave of the future. But a wind turbine meant to generate electricity for one Saginaw family has sparked a huge headache for their neighbors.

“It makes a terrible ‘air raid’ noise,” said Debbie Behrens, talking about the high-pitched whine made by the turbine. “It’s driving me crazy.”

What’s worse—Debbie and her son Lance both say that the high-pitched hum is now causing physical problems.

“You occasionally have the dizziness,” Lance explained, “The ringing in the ears; I’ve never experienced the ringing in the ears.”

It turns out there is a documented health condition associated with the noise generated by some windmills called “Wind Turbine Syndrome.”

Symptoms include headaches, dizziness, nausea and ringing in the ears, known as tinnitus.

Dr. Lee Wilson of the UT Dallas Callier Center says the noise from most turbines isn’t loud enough to cause actual loss, but constant sound can cause other problems.

“Any kind of thing like that has the potential to affect those kinds of feelings,” Dr. Wilson said. “And they’re real. I mean you’re really sick, nauseated, but it may be a result of some anxiety that’s related to what you’re hearing rather than the actual sound.”

Because there aren’t many windmills around, Dr. Wilson hasn’t yet seen any cases.

And not every turbine makes that whine.

For example, the giant mills near Sweetwater make a quiet thump as they spin.

Doctors say some people are more sensitive to constant sound than others.

Debbie Behrens and her son Lance say they’ve suffered since a neighbor installed a wind turbine.

The people who installed the small, residential turbine in Saginaw aren’t bothered at all.

But the Behrens believe without attention and—potentially—regulation, wind turbine noise could become a major problem in neighborhoods as the country switches to more eco-friendly energy sources.

Some science shows turbines should be at least a mile away from homes.

The turbine that stands 50 yards from the Behren’s back door is loud enough to make them want to move.

“My life savings is in this house,” said Debbie, “but, I would not live with that going here for the rest of my life, no.”

Anonymous said...

Pa. fines wind-turbine company
Sunday, August 31, 2008 BY BILL MOONEY
FALLS, Pa. -- The road to a cleaner planet is not without potholes.

Gamesa, the Spanish wind-turbine company that has established itself at the former U.S. Steel property here, was fined $639,161 last week by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection as part of a consent order reached with the company.