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Monday, September 8, 2008

Potter Commissioners Set Format For Thursday Hearing On Wind Turbine Regulation

Sept. 8, 2008

COUDERSPORT -- The Potter County Commissioners have announced the format for a public hearing to be held on Thursday night, Sept. 11, to receive input on regulations covering industrial wind energy facilities in Potter County.

Anyone wishing to present testimony will be given up to three minutes to address Commissioners Doug Morley, Susan Kefover and Paul Heimel. As time allows, individuals will be able to present additional testimony prior to adjournment.

The hearing will be held from 7 pm to 9 pm in the courtroom. A record of the testimony will be kept so that the commissioners can review the comments as they consider amendments to the Potter County Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance.

An early draft of the commissioners' proposed ordinance on industrial wind energy facilities was shared with the public on Aug. 18. The commissioners encourage citizens to comment on those proposals or other aspects of industrial wind development at the Sept. 11 hearing.

“Because of the high level of interest in the issue, we decided to provide members of the public with an opportunity to share their opinions, their thoughts and their recommendations in an open setting,” the commissioners said in announcing the hearing.

Copies of the draft ordinance are available at the commissioners' office in the Gunzburger Building, 1 North Main Street, Coudersport, or on the county government's website: pottercountypa.net.

After the input from Thursday's hearing is assessed and revisions made, the commissioners intend to issue a formal notice of their intent to adopt the regulations. Additional public comment will be entertained prior to a vote on the amendments.

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25 comments :

Anonymous said...

Oh boy...hear we go again.

Anonymous said...

This is a very important meeting.
BE THERE!!! See if you can come up with a good reason for allowing an industrial Wind Plant in Potter County. NOTE! "Money for me" is not a good reason.

Anonymous said...

If the commissioners do not ease up on their strict regulations as far as the wind turbine industry ordinances I hope all of the private land owners FENCE, GATE and BLOCK off THEIR personal private land from anyone using it as far as snowmobiles, 4 wheelers, dirt bikes, nature walkers and sports mens using it!

I hope the land owners take action, IF this industry does not become welcome in Potter County! The set backs and db's are a joke!

Anonymous said...

Will anyone be able to actually ask questions, normally there is nothing but interuptions from people who cant mind their manners.
I wont expect to see SGC due to the noise.

Anonymous said...

Is it required for ALL of the commissioners to be present for the ENTIRE meeting?

Anonymous said...

I'm glad the cavemen didn't hold back on the discovery of fire. Or, some can blame them for starting this world of progress...

Anonymous said...

You hope the land owners fence & block their land! If TURBINES are built it will have the very same effect and much more harrowing. Nasty threats seem to be what the land leasers and AES have in store. Arm twisting, secrecy and more.
This doesn't sound like anything
positive if you need to threaten
your neighbors.
It makes one wonder why we want to be here...I have lived in many cities and never experienced the
level of animous that these
land leasers are threatening over what is an invasion of other's rights.
No wonder people are anonymous...
a bunch of bullies rule. I came
from places where people wanted to be revered and respected. Guess
what! this is 2008...new rules must apply...we cannot run roughshod over people...in their homes either...did one land leaser warn one home owner in their area about their plans and either protect a new purchaser or protect an old friend..NOPE. This secret plot to destroy your neighbors rights is an abomination. You
would happily sell out for a buck while destroying the value of a neighbor's home. This is a crime.
PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS..JOIN THE MEETING ON THURSDAY.

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute... to the anonymous person that said money for me is not a good reason! I think thats the best darn reason out there. Everyone is complaining about the high price of energy, with good reason, so... what would be the point of allowing wind turbines in other that money for me?

Anonymous said...

To all of you people who are signing leases with AES! Beware! They will cause arguments between you and your neighbors and then desert you with GIANT TURBINES in your back yard!! Your animals will die, kids will get sick and who knows what else.
I will be glad when the commissioners show their research into this negative impact TURBINES have, to PROVE to you that the last thing we need in Potter County is WIND TURBINES!

Anonymous said...

Check out these sights:
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/Swastika-graffiti-at-Naseby-battlefield.4402888.jp

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/08/23/17521_news.html

Anonymous said...

So let me get this stragitht.. My animals will die, my kids will get sick, and who knows what else???? Hmmm and you or anyone of else from the "Weirdo-Milita" have proof of this do you???

One word.... WOW!

This is exactly why anyone with even HALF a brain won't show up at this little get together. It's a room full of "Psycho-Hay-Seeds" with zero manners and/or even less intelligence and common sense! You could tell em exactly what they wanna hear and they would still find a reason to complain and hate their neighbors.

I suggest organizing a meeting where you are required to score above a 65 on an IQ test to gain admittance then perhaps we could get somewhere.

Anonymous said...

We are all our brother's keeper, and stewards of our natural resources. Decisions that are being made about windpower affect all of us, and some people stand to get hurt. Just as we would never make choices for our families that would cause harm to any one family member, so too we should not make choices as a community that would cause any one of us harm.

There is too much evidence (do you own research) showing serious health issues with families living too close to these industrial machines. How close is too close? Ask industry experts in European countries who have been living with and studying wind power for more than 10 years. No one should live within at least one mile of these turbines.

What's really frightening is all the secrecy around lease agreements. Some secrets are beginning to leak out (again, do your own research and you'll see). There are cases when landowners have been bound to silence (it's called a "forbearance easement") and are not allowed to talk about noise or health problems. Is that what's going on here? How can we know for sure?

Anonymous said...

Since when does anyone have to check with their neighbors before making a business decision about their property?

Anonymous said...

—reprinted from WFAA-TV (Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas), written by Janet St. James, 7-29-08

SAGINAW, Texas—T. Boone Pickens says they’re the wave of the future. But a wind turbine meant to generate electricity for one Saginaw family has sparked a huge headache for their neighbors.

“It makes a terrible ‘air raid’ noise,” said Debbie Behrens, talking about the high-pitched whine made by the turbine. “It’s driving me crazy.”

What’s worse—Debbie and her son Lance both say that the high-pitched hum is now causing physical problems.

“You occasionally have the dizziness,” Lance explained, “The ringing in the ears; I’ve never experienced the ringing in the ears.”

It turns out there is a documented health condition associated with the noise generated by some windmills called “Wind Turbine Syndrome.”

Symptoms include headaches, dizziness, nausea and ringing in the ears, known as tinnitus.

Dr. Lee Wilson of the UT Dallas Callier Center says the noise from most turbines isn’t loud enough to cause actual loss, but constant sound can cause other problems.

“Any kind of thing like that has the potential to affect those kinds of feelings,” Dr. Wilson said. “And they’re real. I mean you’re really sick, nauseated, but it may be a result of some anxiety that’s related to what you’re hearing rather than the actual sound.”

Because there aren’t many windmills around, Dr. Wilson hasn’t yet seen any cases.

And not every turbine makes that whine.

For example, the giant mills near Sweetwater make a quiet thump as they spin.

Doctors say some people are more sensitive to constant sound than others.

Debbie Behrens and her son Lance say they’ve suffered since a neighbor installed a wind turbine.

The people who installed the small, residential turbine in Saginaw aren’t bothered at all.

But the Behrens believe without attention and—potentially—regulation, wind turbine noise could become a major problem in neighborhoods as the country switches to more eco-friendly energy sources.

Some science shows turbines should be at least a mile away from homes.

The turbine that stands 50 yards from the Behren’s back door is loud enough to make them want to move.

“My life savings is in this house,” said Debbie, “but, I would not live with that going here for the rest of my life, no.”

Sunday, September 7, 2008 6:29:00 PM EDT

Anonymous said...

MAC said...
Visiting communities where wind power already exists is a great idea. Has anyone who has visited spent several nights inside homes less than 1/2 mile from a turbine? Seriously, I want to know. In my research, i'm finding information that shows sound directly below turbines is fairly insignificant, but the more problematic noise is projected out, not down. And, homes that are too close (less than 1 mile) actually act as a resonator. The noise is actually louder inside the home than outside.

Tuesday, September 9, 2008 4:20:00 PM EDT

Anonymous said...

"Since when does anyone have to check with their neighbors before making a business decision about their property?"

I could not agree with you more! Maybe the neighbors would like to share in the tax paying and upkeep while they have their nose stuck where it DOES NOT belong!

"It makes one wonder why we want to be here...I have lived in many cities and never experienced the
level of animous that these
land leasers are threatening over what is an invasion of other's rights."

Your rights pertain to your property, period!

If memory serves your protection in place by the subdivision ordinances all ready on the books states "50 feet" from the property line that borders yours!

Anonymous said...

There are many regulations in place that prevent you from doing anything you want on your own property. All the regulations are in place, not to restrict the land owner, but to protect the ajoining landowner and the rest of the county residents. A wind turbine is a monstrous proof that some land owners have no concern for their neighbor. A Good regulation is protection.

Anonymous said...

Everyone always has the option to move. Or you could join protesting groups, stare, yell obscene comments, and help create a tax hike for the entire county over the fact that you cant control your neighbor.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe the neighbors would like to share in the tax paying and upkeep while they have their nose stuck where it DOES NOT belong!"

I'd argue in most cases the neighbors are already sharing in the tax paying and upkeep of land that people would like to lease for industrial wind turbine sites--"Clean & Green" tax breaks, Federal price supports for agricultural commodities (direct tax$ payments to farmers) & CREP (more direct tax$ payments to large landowners) are just some of the examples of neighbors sharing in the tax paying and upkeep of many of the leasers' lands.

In today's political climate I think the argument--"It's my land I should be able to do what I want with it" rings pretty hollow when it comes to industrial wind installations. Let's get rid of the government mandates, incentives, and subsidies for industrial wind (which result in an increase in our state taxes and the price of electricity for all of us) and get rid of the federal ag subsidies and CREP (which increase our federal taxes and the food prices we all have to pay) and then we can seriously talk about property rights when it comes to this issue.

Anyway, just my 2 cents worth.

Anonymous said...

"A wind turbine is a monstrous proof that some land owners have no concern for their neighbor."

This is an opinion not a fact, this is how YOU feel about them, not every one does. And I have not signed a lease and have not been asked to sign one so don't even go there!

Regulations and ordinances should not be put into place or enacted due to emotions...and that is what our county leaders are doing!

Anonymous said...

"I'd argue in most cases the neighbors are already sharing in the tax paying and upkeep of land that people would like to lease for industrial wind turbine sites--"Clean & Green" tax breaks, Federal price supports for agricultural commodities (direct tax$ payments to farmers) & CREP (more direct tax$ payments to large landowners) are just some of the examples of neighbors sharing in the tax paying and upkeep of many of the leasers' lands."

Boy your head is in the clouds for sure! UNTIL thousands of dollars come out of your PERSONAL checking and or savings each year to PAY the property taxes on large tracks of land DON't pat yourself on the back for the small % of your Federal and State tax dollars that are used for these programs.

To enlighten you, Clean & Green the only program I have personal experience with, there is not a whole lot of savings for land owners. But every little bit helps. I own property in the 3 digets, have 1 house on the land and my annual taxes paid are over $5,000.00.

So I guess I CAN talk about personal rights as far as my land, I have bought and paid for that right. And you feel because of the small % of taxes taken from you the government uses gives you a right? Think again!

Anonymous said...

"Clean & Green" is probably a pretty decent program...it results in some saving to landowner who don't utilize the services provided by the municipal governments to the extent of their tax burden...no argument there...they have to make a trade off that they will keep their land "clean and green" for everyone to enjoy to some extent.

The other programs...CREP...fed ag price supports...state subsidies to and mandates on industrial wind on the other hand arguably penalize the majority (through taxes & greater food & energy costs) and benefit a few (who get direct cash payments from the feds or a lucrative lease agreement).

I'm curious how many of the leasers directly benefit from the federal programs. All I'm saying is when you get in bed w/ the government to begin with don't expect the property rights argument to hold up so well when you want to engage in what I would argue is a another big government boondoggle.

....and I'm not saying I have the right to screw around with my neighbors' lands...we've collectively given that power to the government to do so, whether we like it or not.

I'd say the majority of people do have their heads in the clouds on both sides of this debate, but I don't.

Anonymous said...

"they have to make a trade off that they will keep their land "clean and green" for everyone to enjoy to some extent."

To some extent is right, as you NEVER EVER lose the right to control your personal property under Clean and Green. You may pick and choose who can do what on your land.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the comment above...but that wasn't the point.

I'm not crazy about folks and/or corporations being in bed with the government and then all of a sudden being the strongest advocates of property rights.

Clean and Green is a relativley good program. I don't feel the way about the other programs...they arguably do more harm, than good.

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