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Thursday, October 23, 2008

Farmer Says Cougar Attack Not A Hoax

Cougar fears linger as farmer sticks by story

Lancaster Online

Samuel Fisher of Sadsbury Township denies Game Commission’s assertion that his report of attack was a hoax.More...

33 comments :

Anonymous said...

Well, the PA Game Commission can deny it all they want, but cougars are still here in Pennsylvania. I saw one back in 1965 near Whitney Creek. Also, in the early 60's, one of my Dad's cows came back with large claw marks on her hip. She came up missing when we brought the cows in for milking. Dad found her in the woods and she was okay, but very spooked. He told the Game Warden, Dick Curfman, about it, but it was never determined what attacked the cow. June Blaser

Anonymous said...

Here is an update...

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/229072

Steven Mohr is an idiot whose been known to cause problems with the PGC. He cant be taken seriously. Just do some searches on him and the USP. As for the Amishman? Look about for the pictures of his wounds....

http://www.solanconews.com/Features/2008/081018_mtlionattack.htm


A house cat would inflict more damage! Blood samples taken from the scene were NOT blood, and hair found on the knife was found to be deer hair. Mohr says "The scratches on Fisher's arm could have been made by a cougar raised on a concrete floor." Anyone that has visited a zoo and saw a cougar would know that statement to be false. Captive cats do not have dull claws. Why? Because cougars, like most other cats, RETRACT their claws. It is a hoax, and Mohrs attempts to discredit the PGC are getting very old. We should all be glad he is not a commissioner anymore.

Anonymous said...

remember the game commision said we did not have coyotes either

Anonymous said...

I know they are here too! Saw one!

Anonymous said...

I have seen them in the Keating Summit area for years , so have others. from in the 60's and recently also. actually have a plaster cast of their tracks from under our porch in Austin.

Anonymous said...

theres a big difference between mt lions and bobcats you retards! PA has BOBCATS!! and for the person with plaster casts from Austin, your full of it! if anyone actually had proof, you wouldnt be here writing about it. you would have cashed in like Steven Mohr wants to.

Mr. Negative said...

Show me some pictures or valid tracks or some sign that Mountain Lions are around here..Until then, nobody will believe it including me. People who are spewing this crap need to stop the hoax....

Anonymous said...

yes i do have the casts of the tracks and I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOBCAT AND A MOUNTAIN LION. have seen both as I have been in the outdoors all my life and hunted most of the area around Keating Summit being raised there. and before you pop off your mouth choose your words carefully as I take a big offense to the reference that you made. and I don't believe in "cashing in" as you say, but have showed the casts to someone who has been a trapper for many years and some other very respected "old timers"

NUFF SAID

Anonymous said...

google search bobcats. They are known to attack livestock with claw marks down the back and rear. We happened to have a 3 deer cross the road with a bear not far behind. If the out come was to be guessed I'd say the bear probably got his late night dinner. This was on Moffit hill. My point, claw marks do not prove mountain lion or cougar.

Anonymous said...

NUFF SAID? HA!

if you take offense to that comment, you better keep those casts of the tracks hidden in your attic. cause if you showed them to any biologist, game official, or any average citizen with any amount of common sense , you'd be labeled much worse and possibly charged for creating a hoax, making false or fraudulent statements.

you wanna spew BS and believe in fairy tails and campfire folklore told by "old timers" and "experienced" trappers, thats your call. but dont try to BS people outside your small world. this type of hype has gone on for far too long. what it comes down to is this, put up or shut up! if you have proof, come forward. the world is waiting. until then your view is reduced to that of a pathetic story teller. oh and...NUFF SAID!

Anonymous said...

in answere to NUFF SAID HA
what kind of idiot are you ?
these are not "folk tales by old timers" as you put it and yes the trapper I showed it to is EXPERIENCED. maybe if you would look outside of your world you would notice what actually is in the real world. as for offense to the remark yes I do take offense to it and if you are the one who wrote it maybe before you call someone names you should take a good long look in the mirror.
I do have the casts if someone qualified wanted to look at them I would be happy to show them to them
so do not sit and critisize me until you know what you are talking about we have too many
self proclaimed experts running around now, No I do not claim to be an expert that is why I asked
more experienced "old timers" who I respect very much

THAT IS NUFF SAID

Anonymous said...

in answere to NUFF SAID HA
what kind of idiot are you ?
these are not "folk tales by old timers" as you put it and yes the trapper I showed it to is EXPERIENCED. maybe if you would look outside of your world you would notice what actually is in the real world. as for offense to the remark yes I do take offense to it and if you are the one who wrote it maybe before you call someone names you should take a good long look in the mirror.
I do have the casts if someone qualified wanted to look at them I would be happy to show them to them
so do not sit and critisize me until you know what you are talking about we have too many
self proclaimed experts running around now, No I do not claim to be an expert that is why I asked
more experienced "old timers" who I respect very much

THAT IS NUFF SAID

Mr. Negative said...

The proof is in the pudding and ..so far...no pudding for you...NUFF SAID..

Oh....by the way....i have some pictures of Big foot and some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale too....

Anonymous said...

if your willing to show them to someone qualified, what is stopping you? call the NC Regional Office. (570) 398-4744. but DONT stop there, we all wanna hear about this story! be sure to call the local media and inform them YOU HAVE PROOF! call Steven Mohr! 717-426-3193 if you cannot, or are not willing to, you are no better than the Amishman, or Steven Mohr. you only add to the myth that has been played on PA for years. I really wish they would lock nut cases like you up. but unfortunately the 2nd amendment protects liars like you as long as you dont get anyone else involved. what a shame.

Rep.Chick said...

Well I guess I have a question or two for these men...

I would say about 4 years ago a very large, cat like animal with a tail as long as an adult males arm was on my property located in the Ulysses area.

It crossed the main road out of our pasture, up our dirt road and into our hay fields and did not act a bit scared! It walked sinuously like a cat does.

I know what we saw and I know Bob Cats do not have tails that long!

And I do know for a fact it was a very large wild cat of some kind as it was not as small as a Bob cat.

So if it was not a mountain lion then what was it?

Anonymous said...

Rep.Chick,

Doesnt really matter what anyone thinks does it? What REALLY matters, is what happened when you saw it? Did you contact the PGC? How about PSP?Did you contact the media? Were locals notified to stay indoors until the area was cleared? Who investigated the sighting? If it was investigated, did they find skat? Tracks? Hair? Did they try to trap it?

Until action is taken on sightings, they are stories. Nothing more. PA is one of the biggest hunting states in the US, yet NOT ONE cougar has been shot. How can that be? When these sightings occur, there is NEVER any proof. EVER. No pictures, no cougar skat, no cougar tracks. There is usually bobcat,or bear sign. People must realize how big coyote hunting and trapping is in the north central region. I myself hunted the Andrews Settlement area for over 20 yrs. How come none of these trappers, including myself, have ever cought a cougar?

You had a duty, not only to yourself, but the rest of PA to report these sightings to the proper authorities. And if they arent cooperative then call the United Sportsmen of PA. Call the Eastern Cougar Foundation. When sightings are not reported and thoroughly checked out, it reduces ones experience to nothing more than stories. It perpetuates the myth thats held on for so long, and makes locals look like utter fools.

Mr. Negative said...

There are NO Cougars, Mountain Lions, Panthers, or any type of cat larger than a Bocat in Pennsylvania. People need to quit trying to pull of this hoax...

Anonymous said...

Ok Mr. Negative, how the hell do you know?

Mr. Negative said...

Nobody ever has any proof. That's how I know. Show me a valid picture....not the one from out west that people say is from here...and then I'll believe it. I can prove that there are deer, bear, bobcats, and coyotes here in Pottr County, but in all of my years in the woods, all ove this county I have never seen so much as a track from a large cat. People say that they see them regularly or watch them for minutes, yet nobody has a picture....I think it's all a hoax...

Anonymous said...

Are cougars now recovering in the East?

Not yet. Despite more sophisticated technology for finding cougars, and with more people looking than ever before, less evidence has appeared in the last decade than in the 1990s (perhaps because of recent strict legislation prohibiting interstate trade in exotic cats and new state laws prohibiting private ownership of such cats).

Sanctioned studies since the late 1990s by the ECF, research universities, and state and federal wildlife agencies in NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA, WV, and KY have failed to find evidence of cougars. Incidental evidence such as roadkills, accidental shootings or trappings, and photographs captured by privately owned remote wildlife cameras is nearly absent.

Even in Midwestern states with low or emerging cougar populations, incidental evidence appears with reliable frequency.

taken from http://www.easterncougar.org/

THERE ARE NO COUGARS IN PA!

Anonymous said...

Mountain Lions do exist in Pennsylvania!

I suspect that they are few in number.

Why is it so impossible for people not to believe that these cats do exist?

I do not know what the big deal is with you non-believers and I will say this once again, "until you see a Mountain Lion with your own eyes, you will never believe they exist!

I will end this by saying, "for all of us that had the unexpected opportunity to see one of these beautiful and amazing cats, we know what we did see!"

Anonymous said...

i saw elvis in port. he stopped at sheetz to fill his caddy. yup! just because YOU didnt see him didnt mean he wasnt there.

Anonymous said...

for the liars seeing mt lions...where is the proof? do you think you know more than biologists? do you think your "special" in some way that makes you right? when you had your "sighting" did you tell anyone? please,PLEASE report your sightings. I want you people locked up for fraudulent claims.

Anonymous said...

I recent being called a "Liar," because I saw a Mountain Lion.

There is nothing worse than a "Liar," other than being called a "Liar."

I detest liars! There is nothing worse than being lied to, no matter what the subject matter may be related to; it permanently destroys any "trust" one may have in that person. Thus there will always be a "Trust Issue."

Why would I lie about seeing a Mountain Lion?

Anonymous said...

Why would I lie about seeing a Mountain Lion?

well,the only thing I can think of as to why you would lie is your either an attention seeking individual, or you really are ignorant to what a mt lion is. and after thinking things through, id have to say probably a little of both.

Anonymous said...

I think that most people that see a Mt. Lion are good people that really think they have seen a "BIG CAT". But the bottom line is: there is no evidence of their existance is the northern counties of Pa.

Mr. Negative said...

I believe that if peope really "believe" that they have seen a Mt. Lion, they should just keep that to themselves instead of flapping on avbout and scaring all of their neighbors with the story. Now there are people in the alleged sighting area that are afraid to let there kids outside to play and let their pets out at night...all because of a hoax.

Anonymous said...

Where is your evidence that most people that see a Mt. Lion are good people that think they have seen a "Big Cat?" The good and the bad have nothing to do with the sighting of a Mountain Lion.

However, I would consider myself a good person and a person that is honest and tells the "TRUTH."

The black Mountain Lion that I saw was approximately 55 feet from my eyes and in my sister's yard.

Anonymous said...

to the person that wrote:

"The black Mountain Lion that I saw was approximately 55 feet from my eyes and in my sister's yard."

you should read this website..

http://www.easterncougar.org/pages/beyondsightings.htm

specifically this part...

"Are there black panthers?

The phenomenon of black panther reports is even more bewildering than the cougar search. Aside from an 18th century painting, a verbal description from the 1880s, and a black-and-white photograph of a dark Costa Rican cougar carcass, there is no evidence of black or melanistic cougars. Black bobcats do exist, primarily in the southeast.

While there remains the possibility of released or escaped captive black leopards or jaguars, only a single example of such an animal has been documented: http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/28997/
Black housecats dominate the photographic evidence we receive of this nature (without the need to determine the size of a feline, differences in body proportions, tail carriage, and sitting posture can be determined accurately).
Joe Lankalis Characteristics and Conformation of Domestic Cats and Cougars Compared.
Fred Scott Head and Body ratios using Joes drawings.

Once again, we can only conclude that reports of black panthers are misidentifications of animals with a dark or black pelage such as coyotes, fishers, otters, bears, dogs, or housecats."

oh and my advice? please put down the pipe.

Anonymous said...

I was being kind when I said that good people think they have seen a "Big Cat". But, if it was a "Black Panther" 55 feet away, this doesn't even need a response.

Anonymous said...

GAME COMMISSION RELEASES LATEST TEST RESULTS OF ALLEGED MOUNTAIN LION ATTACK

HARRISBURG - In announcing the most recent results of its ongoing investigation into an alleged mountain lion attack on Oct. 9, Pennsylvania Game Commission officials today announced tests conducted on a knife allegedly used by Samuel Fisher, 42, of Sadsbury Township, Lancaster County, were positive for human blood. The tests were conducted by East Stroudsburg University in Monroe County.

Mr. Negative said...

Yeeehaww!!! Some light shines on the hoax!! Oops...i forgot...we're not supposed to talk about light because it upsets the stargazers.....

Anonymous said...

another small addition...the "amish community" had Fisher commited. seems this wasnt he first mental episode he had.