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Thursday, October 23, 2008

Residents Should Conserve The Natural Beauty For Generations To Come

DCNR Secretary: PA Wilds key to region’s success


By SCOTT JOHNSON — sjohnson@lockhaven.com
Lock Haven Express

LOCK HAVEN - Northcentral Pennsylvania, with its unique landscape, has "enormous potential" for tourism.

But that potential also brings a large amount of responsibility for residents and leaders to conserve the natural beauty and wildlife for generations to come.

That was part of the message from Michael DiBerardinis, secretary of the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, as the keynote speaker at the Clinton County Economic Partnership's Annual Dinner on Wednesday night.

Nearly 200 people representing business, industry, nonprofits, community organizations, education and government attended the annual event.

DiBerardinis, who was appointed by Gov. Ed Rendell to serve as the second secretary of the agency that oversees the state's parks and forests, said when he first visited this region he was in awe of its beauty.

"We think the towns like Ridgway, Smethport and Lock Haven and Coudersport are very special," he said. "We think people who travel ere not only deserve our attention, but citizens and residents and businesses and organization and institutions there deserve our attention.

"We think we can bring people from all over the east to this wonderful place."

The PA Wilds includes, Clinton, Lycoming, Clearfield, Cameron, Clarion, Elk, Forest, Jefferson, McKean, Potter, Tioga and Warren counties.

"It jumped out on me that this area isn't a set of counties, it isn't a set of 26 or 27 state parks or seven forest districts or a bunch of cute and attractive small towns, it's the unique landscape," he said. "There's probably nothing like it, at least on the East Coast, and it has enormous potential."

"I believe the Pennsylvania Wilds is the most complex, most unique, most promising, well-resourced program for economic development and nature tourism in the country today," he said. "There's nothing like the Pennsylvania Wilds for its breadth, its depth, its beauty, its wild and authentic character and its place in the state government anywhere in America today." More...

62 comments :

Anonymous said...

Dear me!!
Let's ruin the fabulous PA Wilds with 2.5 MW Turbines. The total
of which could exceed 300 or more.
There is no one in this state that
makes a bit of sense...the Governor wants turbines in central PA. The Supervisors are loving that. The state cancels it's funding for Tourism...now the
DCNR is for promoting this fabulously beautiful area and wants to promote tourism. The only
people who benefit from
turbines are the lessors. Everyone
benefits from the growth of tourism. WHO IS STUPID HERE.
It's clear..it's so clear...but
there is no broader vision.
When I first got here, I said keep this place pristine for tourism..
have seen what it did for small towns all over the country and world. It is what they live on..
NO ONE LISTENED. JHM

Anonymous said...

Just drive through Coudersport and nearby towns after 6:00 in the evening and see that there are no people or business open (the ones that are left) and tell me how tourism is making this area thrive. People don't come to hunt becauase the PGC has screwed that up so bad so the only thing that is left is snowmobiling and if there isn't any snow, that industry is shot. PA Wilds is almost as big of a joke as Dark Skies. They do nothting to help the local economy or the citizens of the area. At least wind turbines and natural gas add value. You people need to wake up.

Anonymous said...

So what comes first, the chicken or the egg? If all the businesses close down at 5pm, why would anyone come into town to spend money? The Coudy Chamber use to do midnight madness on thursday nights and the town was very busy. I think if the business owners would be open and the visitors could rely on that, they would spend more time and money in town. Its people who need to realize that Adelphia (or anything like it) is not going to be back and they may actually have to put forth an effort to get business for a change.

Anonymous said...

Agreed!Let's get off the tourism kick.That boat sailed,and was a pretty small one before it did.

Anonymous said...

We have been to North Chococton, NY 3 x's to show people the windturbines. What a beautiful fall ride and magnificent views. The WT have not ruined the beauty of the area. By the way we stopped for lunch and also took in a few of the many local artists shops. Their area is thriving!!

Mr. Negative said...

I would like someone to explain to me how a local working taxpayer can benefit from tourism? If it's the jacked up prices, the long gas lines during deer season, the star gazers complaining about the bright lights, the snowmobilers cutting across the road in front of people, and the rude city drivers talking on their cell phones please try again. The only real things that benefit from tourism in Coudersport are the hotels and Sheetz..... Drink some coffee and wake up people!!!

Anonymous said...

Tourism is important for this region and Potter County in particular. It's literally the heart of the PA Wilds. Let's not dismiss it. It doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue other opportunities...but the idea of keeping this county wild is a very good thing...for us who live here and in order to attract visitors.

Mr. Negative said...

I believe I would rather keep it wild and not worry about all of the visitors.... I still fail to understand why tourism is so important for this region. Let's see....about 2 weeks of leaf watching....a month of hunting....2 months of snowmobiling/skiing if there is snow....very little fishing, but we'll count it for a couple of weeks anyway. So that is 4 months of tourism if everything works out correctly....what happens for the other 8 months. i think the county needs some year around income......

Rep.Chick said...

"The only people who benefit from
turbines are the lessors. Everyone
benefits from the growth of tourism. WHO IS STUPID HERE"

And people with diners, gas stations, novelty shops and so on benefit from the private land owners opening their property to the out of towners FREE OF CHARGE!

Once again, no money for the wind turbine lessors at the tourism end of the deal, but I guess that is okay?! NOW WHO IS STUPID?!

"When I first got here, I said keep this place pristine for tourism.."

When you first got here?
When did you get here?

What about those of us that have lived here our entire lives?! Why do you think it has to be your way or no way?

The Wind Turbines have not ruined the beauty of other rural areas so why are the SGC people so hell bent on shoving this down our throats?

I'll tell ya, FEAR, that is how bullies operate!

Anonymous said...

"The only real things that benefit from tourism in Coudersport are the hotels and Sheetz"

If these are the things that benefit Coudersport, it would make sense to open up your own hotel, lodge or rental unit, gas station, convience store etc to take advantage ot this.

Use the internet to grow your business and make your own way.

It take some thought and imagination.

Why fight the trend? small self made tourism operations are the future here, not big industry.

I did.

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr. Negative, check out this link, there are several other links that you can find with similar stats for other areas, it shows how without tourim the average property taxes would be increased anywhere from $200-$500 a year more.

http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2007/06/03/news/local_news/news03.txt

Also, the fact that the our state parks and other public lands are being maintained in part for tourism, that means you can also take your children to them and enjoy the same outdoors which is probably just down the road.

What is so wrong with that?

Anonymous said...

the fact is this. tourism is great, when the economy is good. the economy hasnt been great for awhile. people arent traveling far at all. what do we have here, that will attract others? state parks? other areas have those. mountains? again, other areas have those. sure we have some local attractants, but it takes a special group to be interested, and maple syrup and star gazing is only going to bring in so much. IMO, if you want year round tourism, we need to look into ATV's. our trail systems are ok, but we have the ability(if the state and some locals work with instead of against) to build a huge trail system. again, just my opinion.

now, tourism only gets you so far. not everyone has the capital to start a business that would be affected by tourism. even if you do, one would have to make pretty good money to be able to hire employees at more than part time, and minimum wage. we need manufacturing. how do we attract manufacturing? tax breaks? i dont have the answer, but tourism isnt gonna fix our problems. and neither will part time minimum wage jobs.

Mr. Negative said...

"If these are the things that benefit Coudersport, it would make sense to open up your own hotel, lodge or rental unit, gas station, convience store etc to take advantage ot this" I guess you didn't see the fact that there are only about 4 months worth good tourism here. There are already more businesses in town that it can support. I've lived here my whole, other than when I served in the military, and the tourism industry has been in decline as long as I can remember. It definitely is "not" the future here. The www.auburnpub.com link was nice and I'm happy for the people in wine country around the finger lakes, but guess what? No wineries here!! No lakes either unless you call Lyman Lake a huge tourism attraction. You people need to wake up and realize that it is nice to live in this area, but the tourism market is never going to get much better than it is now with the decline of hunting and fishing and the winters without enough snow for the skiers and snowmobilers. The county needs to be able to depend on some source of steady growth.

Anonymous said...

Mr Negative does not get it.

He left out ATV riders, motor cycle touring, hikers/backpackers, geocaching, family vacations, bed and breakfasts, cycling, the area parks and the festivals all attract PEOPLE AND THEIR MONEY

Mr. Negative said...

Actually, I do "get it" I am an ATV rider, Motorcycle rider, Hunter, Fisherman, and I go to most of the festivals. My point is that the area hasn't changed that much at all over the past 30 years as far as tourism goes other than to decline in many areas. I understand that we need to have the state parks and forests available for everones enjoyment. I just think that people are putting too much emphasis on tourism as a profitable venture for the whole county, when it isn't.

Anonymous said...

too much negativity!! tourists also like to visit happy places.

Living in Paradise said...

I've been to all the tourism meetings, seminars, I've been to the gateway tourism center on Rt 15. Thopusands of small business are represented there, all for tourism. I see the possibilities.

As in anything, there are challenges. It can be a challenge to draw people year round, but it is being done.

The trend is away from hunting, for whatever reason.

People want to escape, into an area that has not changed in 30 years and still gives them something to do.

When the turbines come, I will incorporate them into my plan, for as long as they are here.

going out now to enjoy another day in paradise!

Anonymous said...

tourism will bring business, thats for sure. what kind of wages are we talking though, with tourism jobs? tourism means more MINIMUM WAGE JOBS! we need manufacturing!!!! offer tax breaks for 10 yrs and ill guarantee we will bring manufacturing that pays more than $10/hr. tourism is not enough!

Perplexed said...

I'm trying to think of something still manufactured in this country.

Mr. Negative said...

It's not viable to bring manufacturing jobs here because the transportation network is not ronust enough for that. Have you ever seen any of the close calls that trucks havetrying to maneuver through Coudersport? There is no railway here and there is not a major airport close enough to here for major corporations.

CW said...

It's not viable to bring manufacturing jobs here...

Have you ever seen the manufacturing at Morgan AM&T (Pure Carbon)?
I understand this plant was opposed when conceived sometime in the 1960's.
A mix of manufacturing, tourism, service industries, Charles Cole Hospital, PennDOT & shopping will work here as well as anywhere.
The point is well made though regarding transportation & there should be an effort to establish a better system.
Too much heat & not enough light is generated in many of these posts. Let's look to th elight!

Anonymous said...

without manufacturing, we might as well be Renovo.

Mr. Negative said...

"Have you ever seen the manufacturing at Morgan AM&T (Pure Carbon)?" Yes..as a matter of fact I worked there for a year. One of the previous posts stated that $10.00 and hour tourism jobs aren't paying enough....well..Pure Carbon doesn't pay very much more than that...nor does the hospital for most jobs. "A mix of manufacturing, tourism, service industries, Charles Cole Hospital, PennDOT & shopping will work here as well as anywhere." We already have this here....my point is this...why should we dump any more funding into tourism than is already contributed when it's not going to get much better...especially considering the fluctuating costs of fuel. I think the funding of the tourism advertising should be left to the businesses that stand to benefit from the out of area traffic and leave the taxpayers funds out of it.

JMHO said...

If you think tourism is going to save Potter County you had better wake up. What do we have here that is unique? For those of you that think tourist come here for the beautiful views... I would bet 100.00 I could blind fold one of you, take you on a back road in any surrounding county and you couldn't tell me where you are. That's because all of the surrounding counties LOOK THE SAME. There is nothing to differentiate Potter County from any of the others. So what is our draw? From the dribble of tourist that actually visit Potter, they may stay 1-2 nights, 1-2 times per year. On the other hand the companies trying to develop the area, gas explorers, URS, Rettew, etc. stay 5 nights per week-all year long. Who do you think is fueling the local economy more? The tourist or the businesses? We don't have anything really unique in Potter and if we don't look for serious sources of revenue the trickle of money from the tourist will continue to cause Potter County to slowly starve.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

JMHO,

Don't have anything special?

I beg to differ with you because yes you do.

Ever been to the "Grand Canyon of Pennslylvania"?

How about Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park & Preserve?

What you don't have is major metro areas close by...

Fact is that because you don't means that the skies above are almost as dark as on Mauna Kea in Hawaii.

Today there are Observatory domes at Cherry Springs.

More than likely, within a year or two those domes will be occupied with telescopes.

The skies are so pristine that it's just a matter of time before someone makes an astronomical discovery from Cherry Springs.

Yes you do have something of value.

I sincerely hope that you don't mess it up!

Anonymous said...

Cherry Springs? PA Grand Canyon? How much have they contributed to wages in the area? Ive not recieved one red cent from either! And to the person stating ...

One of the previous posts stated that $10.00 and hour tourism jobs aren't paying enough....well..Pure Carbon doesn't pay very much more than that...nor does the hospital for most jobs. "A mix of manufacturing, tourism, service industries, Charles Cole Hospital, PennDOT & shopping will work here as well as anywhere." ...

let me tell you something, its time to wake up!! $10/hr jobs DO NOT work in other areas. try to raise a family and get ahead, your not going to get very far. buy a home, keep reliable vehicles, put kids through college, WITHOUT government assistance. its not going to work. Pure Carbon doesnt have to pay better, because there is no competition for wages! do you know there are some areas in PA where fast food workers start at $9/hr! people bust there butt for ALOT less around here. why is that? competition for wages. WE NEED MORE MANUFACTURING!!

Rep.Chick said...

Was wondering how long it would take the "star gazers" to get in on the debate!

Anonymous said...

I say rep.chick..
you have a very DOWN personality..
look up....appreciate what God made and not what man would drag in to kill it.

Anonymous said...

Everybody is hurting and more closures are probably coming.

Hang onto what you have if you are lucky to have a job.

Anonymous said...

rep.chick...

Here's a couple of ideas to munch on...

Ever do any retailing? Everyone is a potential customer.

Believe it or not, YOU are a
Potter County Ambassador here.

Ever hear of "6 degrees of Seperation"?

Folks who come to Potter County are not paid to do astronomy, they have other jobs...

You just never know who you are talking too...

Some of us may have connections that just might turn out to be good for Potter County.

Get my drift?

Rep.Chick said...

"Ever do any retailing? Everyone is a potential customer"

Yes I have and Yes I do! In fact several different kinds.

Busy times of the yeaar do not pull you through 12 months, Happy now?!

So DO NOT preach to me! It has taken me years to have this attitude...I have worked very very hard for many years to have what I have so munch on your own ideas!

Anonymous said...

rep chick...

"Busy times of the year do not pull you through..."???

Ever hear of "Black Friday"?

Apparently not.

What I'm getting at is that everyone who passes through Potter or passes through here because they have an interest in Potter County potentially and literally has a say.

If you don't have a welcoming attitude, folks will say...

"Good riddance" and never come back again.

Your customer IS your bread and butter and if you don't show him or her respect or can't help them or don't even want to...

Well...you've just shot yourself in the foot.

In public policy, especially at the local level, it's the same as a retail store.

Mr. Negative said...

Tourism only helps the few industries that cater to that line of business...it does not help the vast majority of taxpayers in the county. My tax dollars have been used to maintain the state parks and the Cherry springs Dark skies area, but I and all of the other taxpayers that don't run tourism based businesses don't benefit at all from our "investment" I think the "stargazerss" need to worry a little bit less about the stars and concentrate their efforts and money on helping "Mother Earth" survive.

JMHO said...

You just never know who you are talking too...

Some of us may have connections that just might turn out to be good for Potter County.

Get my drift?

Anon: Care to elaborate? Dangling that carrot in front of the poor folks of Potter is not nice. Is SETI planning a large, manned telescope at Cherry, or does NASA have something in the works to pump millions into Cherry? Please elaborate.

Anonymous said...

People come here with connections and with a desire to help get
things going. The fix is in immediately. The political old boy group shuts down. You will not get a job..you will not get let in. The end result is that the intelligent outsiders wind up not wanting to attempt to do business here. If the companies that might be interested are a whole lot more intelligent than this stiffling
community (that is not future employees..this is the leadership)
Attitude, attitude, attitude..
smiles, grace..good cheer..not
this BS back biting mean nasty
arrogant attitude that the outsiders are junk mail. The people who run this place are afraid to let an outsider help out.
And the people with jobs in this area, are afraid of the outsiders..
so they're so afraid they're keeping you from prospering.
Truly believe that.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
The merry go round must stop...
someone must jump in and do something...and no company will settle here whose execs are
expected to live with turbines
flailing in their faces. Siting, siting siting...like smiles.

Anonymous said...

jmho,

All you ever do here is to post negative, negative and more negative.

Why is that?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Negative and JMHO,

You want us to focus on the Environment?

Well, we are and I think we are doing it more than you are...

Let me explain...

Someone once wrote that "When it is Dark, men see the stars"

Well, for the most part, in most parts of the country, it isn't very dark any more.

Now being Earthly creatures, we all live by a diurnal clock. We stay awake during daylight and sleep when it is dark.

Now what do you think happens when you light up the surrounding countryside at night and even introduce all kinds of light sources into our bedrooms when we sleep?

We are just now realizing that this extra light can cause cancer.

If extra light can cause cancer in our bodies what the heck do you think it causes to all the other living things at night?

NOT LIGHTING UP THE NIGHT SKY ABOVE takes care of the environment as well as ourselves.

It doesn't get easier than that.

Mr. Negative said...

What a bunch of horse crap! You are telling me that the millions that were spent on the Dark Skies would not have been better spend contributing toward some alternate energy or better factory filtration systems. There is absolutely no proof of what you are saying. If this were a fact, then there would be massive cancer patients that worked on night shifts. I think you need to turn on a "light" because you are definitely in the dark.

Anonymous said...

Do some research Mr. Negative.
Just Google Light at night causes cancer.

Now, what was that about

"Millions spent on Dark Skies"?

Why don't you spend a little time doing a small bit of research???

You will find out that we do spend BILLIONS not millions...

Wasting light into the sky at night.

Now tell me, do you live 5 miles up?

Nope, you live on the ground in a house or apartment.

Do we have "Aircars" that fly a few hundred feet in the air?

Nope, we drive cars.

We do use Jets and helicopters but they don't need the atmosphere to be "lit up" either.

I think that they use something we call...RADAR and other electronics.

The truth is that we WASTE ELECTRICITY NEEDLESSLY lighting up the sky.

No truth to what I say...

Then I dare you....

Pick up a copy of the November National Geographic on sale now
or look at it at your library and read it.

Then come back here and explain why you still think I'm wrong along with a cast of millions of folks around the world!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Negative,

Of course you must understand what the word..

Conservation means?

That's exactly what we mean.

If folks conserved electricity by using good lighting that directs light

DOWN TO THE GROUND WHERE WE NEED IT

folks wouldn't have to venture far from their own backyards.

And you wouldn't have as many visitors to Potter County either.

But that's not the case at all.

Rep.Chick said...

"and no company will settle here whose execs are
expected to live with turbines
flailing in their faces. Siting, siting siting...like smiles."

Keep telling yourself this and you will convince only yourself!

Company execs will not be happy here unless they are close to retirement age.

These people live in the fast lane...not where it is a slower pace of life and that is just the way it is.

Not enough close shopping malls and big gulf clubs for the martini croud.
We are more of a "day in the country" to these people.

And further more, I am sure Company Exec's are very intelligent and are smart enough to know that wind turbines are good clean green energy!

JMHO said...

"jmho,

All you ever do here is to post negative, negative and more negative.

Why is that?"

Well Anon, As a voting, taxpaying citizen of Potter County I feel it is my obligation to speak up when I see the county heading in a direction that doesn't benefit the majority if its citizens and businesses. When I see the county getting into the "rental business" at the old Adelphia building, I complain. When I see the Housing Authority (which doesn't pay any taxes) renting the town houses on 872 to Level 3 employees and State Trooper, I complain. When I see the PCVA wasting the room occupancy tax money, I complain. And finally when my neighbors try and tell me what I can and can not do with my property, I complain.

I own a small business in Potter County. My property taxes this year will be just short of 45,000. I have 15 employees that I am responsible for and when I see the county going in a direction that doesn't benefit the majority of my employees and the people of Potter, I complain. But hey, that's JMHO.

Anonymous said...

So then what is your beef with Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park & Preserve?

JMHO said...

I have absolutely no beef with them. I actually send donations to 2 astronomy clubs downstate. I have a problem with a few people that think that the Dark Skies project will be the salvation of Potter.

Like this guy:

You just never know who you are talking too...

Some of us may have connections that just might turn out to be good for Potter County.

Get my drift?

Please elaborate! Would love to know.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

JMHO,

I think it's possible that you have been misreading us...

If you belong to Astronomy clubs you must understand implicitly why Cherry Springs is so important to astronomers.

By talking of the tourist aspect of Cherry Springs, we are trying to explain to Potter County residents, who are not astronomers, why Cherry Springs is so important to us and should be important to them too.

None of us, I'm most certain, feels that it will SAVE Potter County.

But....

Disregarding the fact that the park exists and that astronomers are coming in greater numbers each year to enjoy the Dark Skies is akin to saying that New York City or any other location with attractions doesn't matter.

It's the same idea that works in retailing...

If someone comes to your store for a specific item, maybe they will decide to stay a while and purchase a few more items. Maybe they might want to try to find a
"bite to eat"...possibly purchase some gas and if they find some other attractions, they might want to, if time allows, spend the night.

It's not just a "concept" it happens to be true enough.

But I guess some folks just don't want to see that.

Mr. Negative said...

Okay....I Googled "light at night causes cancer" and i got a whole bunch of other "blogs" about how it "may" be linked to cancer. Well so what...eating Fruit Loops can be linked to cancer to, but it didn't look like there was any hard proof...I also read the National Geographic article and found this --"The cyclic rhythm of waking and sleep parallels the cycle of light and dark on Earth. Tampering with it may turn out to have biological repercussions" I'm not sure how most people do this, but when I go to bed, I turn out the lights. My question to you is this....when will you be happy about the level of light that shows up at night.....when we black out the moon? The people that use the Dark Skies area should be happy with what they have and leave well enough alone when it comes to local issues.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Negative,

Why are you being so silly???

All life on Earth sways back and forth to the rhythm of the Sun & Moon.

I won't bother arguing with you about the relevancy of common sense that just happens to be scientifically provable.

As for astronomers, some study the Sun and others the Moon and others study the rest of the Universe when the Moon isn't up.

But for the vast majority of us in America, all we can see is a few of those stars, the bright planets, Sun and Moon because we just have to light the night sky above.

Anonymous said...

for the one(s?) gabbing about light,and cancer, and stars....OPEN UP YOUR POCKET BOOKS! start paying my bills! til this point, Cherry Springs hasnt contributed one cent to my family! our community is in DANGER and you want to talk light and stars!! IDIOCY!! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

I wish that I was a multimillionaire and I would develop some business in Potter but I'm not.

That's one of the jobs of your elected officials...

Township Supervisors, County Commissioners, State Reps and State Senators and your United States Congressman...

ASK THEM what they are doing...

Don't ask me..

My ENTIRE OFFICE was sold to another company and that company OUTSOURCED OUR JOBS TO MANILA!

A heck of a lot of people are hurting, you are in good company.

We need a real change in our government in Washington and if your locally elected officials aren't bringing home the jobs or are helping to outsource..

Then by all means...

Vote them OUT of office on Tuesday!

Anonymous said...

"I wish that I was a multimillionaire and I would develop some business in Potter but I'm not."

Which is exactly why we are sick and tired of hearing so much about preserving our pristine God's Country!

You need to realize just how many people you are making statements to on this blog.

I personally have nothing against Cherry Springs. BUT I do not like it being shoved down my throat by out of towners that come here to enjoy it. Some (not all) think they have so much to say about what industry should and should not be allowed in OUR county.

Please remember when you come to our home towns that we are the ones that live here year round and you are visitors.

We are the ones trying to bring new industry into our home towns so we can continue to live here and help with clean green energy.

We do not come to your home towns and spew our thoughts and comments.

So when you blog comments like this one:

"By talking of the tourist aspect of Cherry Springs, we are trying to explain to Potter County residents"
and

"Get my drift?"

and

"You just never know who you
are talking too..."

and

"trying to expalin"


Do not wonder why some people are offended, OKAY!

Mr. Negative said...

"As for astronomers, some study the Sun and others the Moon and others study the rest of the Universe when the Moon isn't up.

But for the vast majority of us in America, all we can see is a few of those stars, the bright planets, Sun and Moon because we just have to light the night sky above."

I'm really sorry that you think I'm being silly...i am just voicing my opinion on the ridiculous comments that stargazers come up with to justify this park...I'm just trying to make a living and feed my family. Well...the state spent the money and you have your park and dark skies. The point of this whole article is the fact that "common joe's" like myself don't benefit one bit from tourism, but it's our tax dollars that are going to be spent to promote it.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Negative,

I have no idea what occupation you are in, it may be farming or it might be something entirely different.

If it is farming, I would not spend one second telling you how to plant crops or raise pigs or chickens or cattle etc.

Now, my family has been in retailing for many years and I've been in the travel business and I know about astronomy and my training in college was in goverment and I've worked on environmental issues too.

So I do have some experience and in these issues it is relevant.

I also know when to listen and to respect others for opinions as I respect yours, even though I disagree.

Respect flows both ways.

And thank God we don't always get our own way because sometimes we can't see an inch in front of our faces and sometimes we don't have all the facts or understand them.

And that's why we have a government to help weigh the facts and come to a conclusion that can benefit everyone.

As I've said before, I do want to see Potter County grow in jobs but I also don't want to see a very valuable resource be obliterated just so a few greedy Electric Company folks can get their way.

After all, the current mess we all share in was caused by some greedy folks on Wall Street and the not so very smart folks in Washington who looked the other way.

Anonymous said...

Let's just remember that Cherry Springs is NOT a "COUNTY PARK"

It is however a STATE PARK.

And that means it is owned by everyone who resides in Pennslyvania.

And it's not exclusively YOUR TAXES that provide for the upkeep of the park but everyone's taxes in Pennsylvania.

And it benefits ALL OF US not just a few that live in Potter County.

So ALL PENNSYLVANIANS have the right to this park and state officials are OBLIGATED to preserve it...

If you don't believe that just reference OUR STATE CONSTITUTION.

Anonymous said...

also remember that certain times of the year, cherry springs might as well be considered private. though it benefits ALL pennsylvanians, dont try to "intrude" when its infested by star gazers. some of your normal state park activities will be frowned upon.

Mr. Negative said...

That is a very good point...I bet my mobile laser light equipment would really look great streaming into the dark skies from my van in "my" State Park. I hope nobody frowns too much when i get out my guitar and play along with the light show. I hope everyone enjoys it....

Anonymous said...

So don't go to the park, bury your head in the sand and pray for a factory be built see what that gets you. If you have a real idea then step up and do something about it, if not, don't throw stones at those who are. I don't know many of the people like the commissioners or PCVA but I bet if you went to them with an idea they would do all they can to help you get it done.

I guess thats not near as fun as just opening up the laptop and complaining that everyone else but you is doing everything wrong.

Anonymous said...

to the person who said "So don't go to the park, bury your head in the sand and pray for a factory be built see what that gets you"

just because some dont agree with tourism or the park, dont assume they arent doing anything but complaining. they just disagree very strongly that anything done in cherry springs will benefit them directly. and truthfully, thus far, it hasnt! Lyman Lake brought MANY more people to the area than cherry springs. so has the snow(snowmobilers) and deer(hunters). we could charge $100 a pop for gazers to plop their behinds in cherry springs and we'd still lose. it ISNT the answer.

Rep.Chick said...

"I don't know many of the people like the commissioners..."

"I bet if you went to them with an idea they would do all they can to help you get it done."

Do not bet too much on that one!

Well I do know them and I can tell you one thing these 3 do not even hold a candle to Wingo and Torok!

Susan is the only one of the 3 that could make a difference for our county.

Morley is a joke, the crap he has pulled since he was voted in is not even funny. Cripes, have you tried to follow his statements in the news paper from the meetings he has talked at?! Holy crap, talkes in 1/2 sentences and in circles!

And do not hold your bottom waiting for a reply from Doug or Paul because I have written to both of them several times...no reply!
Am I surprised?
Not really, but you can bet our St. Rep. Marty Causer can find the time to return my phone calls and or letters.

Guess the County Commissioners jobs are more hectic than a State Representative!

Anonymous said...

BTW,

Not only is it a State Park but renovations are funded INDEPENDENTLY by The Cherry Springs Dark Sky Fund and this is money that is privately donated.

Oh and yes, there is something called, I believe, The Woodsman's Convention during the summer too and Astronomers are reminded every year of when it occurs so that conflicts don't arise.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Negative,

I would hope that you are kidding,lasers are not toys and if you happened to shoot someone in the eye with it or shoot a plane passing overhead...even inadvertantly...

You would be in a "heap of trouble".

I would not advise it.

Mr. Negative said...

So are you saying that I can't pursue my "hobby" in a state park?

Anonymous said...

Shooting folks or aircraft with lasers is not an advisable course of action.

Even in your own backyard:(

Don't believe me?

Why not ask your local police...
I'm sure they will give you a few minutes...

And mentally note you as a

"Person of interest".

Maybe you didn't get the Memo?