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Tuesday, November 4, 2008

Barack Obama Declared Winner Of Presidency

Barack Obama has been declared the winner in the Presidential Election. Obama has amassed 324 electoral votes to 124 for John McCain;


Anonymous said...

i guess i was wrong, i predicted him with 317 looks like more ameriacs thought he was a better president. Well My friends all i have to say is Obama was the better canidate. Just like we stated in this before. 4 years of him will do a 100% turn around on what we have right now. This is the best thing to happen to american and the middle class.

OBAMA/Biden 12

Anonymous said...

A sad, sad day for America, for democracy and for our Constitution.
I hope those who supported this champion of socialism are happy with the results as time goes by and they see their freedoms encroached upon more and more.

Anonymous said...

I really, truly and sincerely wish that folks would not use that socialism excuse...

It just makes you look silly.

Do we not have Social Security?

And what do you think of Jesus Christ who taught us to


Did he not tell us to give our money to the poor? Did he not tell
us to feed his sheep?

Did he not tell us if we find someone without clothes to give ours to him or her?

I think that anyone that uses this argument isn't really thinking in a Christian way.

If it's good enough for the LORD it should be good enough for all of us!

Anonymous said...

One thing about it, Potter County sure did not help get him elected!

Guess we will just have to hold our A** and hope for the best.
And IF pre-election remarks are correct, prepare to be "tested" by our enemies...

Dem's will not longer be able to play the Blame game with the Rep's!
So good luck with this one as I find it hard to believe they will stop the finger pointing. They will now just turn on each other. Oh just a minute Mrs. Clinton started that 2 days ago, Ha!

Anonymous said...

Only time will tell about Barack Obama's leadership skills for America. I pray he does a skillfull job of turning around the country. It will be difficult.

Potter County voters supported GW Bush in the polling booths and what a mistake that has been.
We didn't so much vote for a Democrat yesterday as we did to vote against the status quo.

I am glad for this change. CW

Anonymous said...

I have never been as scared for our future as I am today

Anonymous said...

Now I want to see Obama carry out all of his "prommises". There ain't NO WAY he can do this. The experts have already said he's going to need to start backing out of his campaign promises. Gee, no big surprise there. I'm going to quit my job and sit back and wait for everyone to "share their wealth" with me. Now that would be a CHANGE!

Anonymous said...

Hang on for the ride. God save the Republic.

BTW - Please refer to us as a Republic, not a democracy.

Anonymous said...

The people have spoken. What a sad day in America. How stupid are the Obama supporters. The Democratics have been running our Country for the last two years. Yet, these people blame everything on the Republicans. Their own party got us to this stage. Now with Obama, just watch how bad it is going to get. God help us.

Anonymous said...

I work at job that pays minimum wage, so I am going to need everyone that makes more than $8 per hour to send me at least $10 out of every paycheck that you get so we can even this out.....

Anonymous said...

Every president ever elected has never kept every promise they made. Evry side has always pointed the finger to the other side. The wonderful thing about being an American is that we can refer to us as we wish. Like McCain would have really kept up with all of his promises and never pointed the finger if he was elected. I seem to have seen a lot of that during the fight to win. We have to remember that all the choices are not only up to the president. We all have to do our part to make the changes too and quitting your job and living off the state isn't going to help, but then again, we are Americans, and you have that choice. As for hanging on for the ride, this will be one heck of a joy ride in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Pre election remarks are nothing more than opinions, like your words are your opinion. Complain all you want, it doesn't change a thing. Obama is President, deal with it. As for Mrs. Clinton, who cares what she is doing now, that river has dried up awhile ago. I am tired of hearing how stupid people are if they voted for Obama. I guess over half the American population are stupid then, and if that bothers you, there are plenty of other countries out there to go to.

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of cry baby whiners. OBAMA, YOU GOBAMA!

Anonymous said...

I voted for McCain. Now that Obama will be our President I surely will respect and support him, unless given a very big reason not to. It is very easy for the little people to blame the big cheese but I truly believe we are a nation that loves to place the blame and not accept the fact that not one but thousands direct our country. Denial starts when we are very young children, remember asking your kids who did this and they all pipe up to say "not me", well that is an ability that carries through our adult life.

If our 44th President proves himself, yeahhhhh for all.

Anonymous said...

Yes there is like an islam country. So why don't you and you president go there!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I give freely of my excess income to people and charities that I think are needy. I HATE the fact that Obama is going to take more of my money and distribute it as he sees fit. I can guarantee you if I had 1,000 to spend, I could do more good with it helping people and stimulating the economy than if I had to trust my govt to spend it for me. I am trying to be upbeat about all of this but I can see little good out of this guy.

Anonymous said...

Give it 6 months to a year and I guarantee you that NO ONE will admit to voting this joker into office! I saw on TV where one woman was so relieved that Obama won because now she wouldn't have to worry about paying her mortgage and putting gas in her car. WHAT?! Is that really what people think this clown is going to do for them? That is just so wrong.

Anonymous said...

Give the man a chance. I used to be a hard core republican. GW gave me and tens of thousands of others a reason to abandon the party. John Mcain did not convince me that he would change any of the incompetence and lies that the American people have been forced to endore. Dont blame a Democratic congress. They have only been in control for 2 years. The inept governing stated 8 years ago. When Clinton left the White House we were the strongest nation in the world in both economy and defense. Today we are hated and ridiculed. I WELCOME THIS CHANGE!!!
God bless the United States

Anonymous said...

It's scary to think people like the last comment are even allowed to vote. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself!

Anonymous said...

My comment on educating yourself is intended for the comment on taking your president and yourself to an islamic country.

Anonymous said...

Barack Obama inspires people. We are not all naive enough to believe that he can single-handedly turn our country around over night. He is inspirational; what he may not be able to change, let's hope he can inspire someone else to try. He has some great ideas, and I truly think we, as a country, pulled together and made the right choice yesterday. Let's all hope with this choice we can truly be proud of the state of our country. YES WE CAN!

Anonymous said...

Looks to me like there are a lot of sore losers here. Well the American people have spoken and have said they want CHANGE in their government. One of the things that I noticed last night as I watched the election coverage online was the crowd booing as McCain mentioned Obama's name during his speech. While in stark contrast the Obama supporters cheered when President-elect Obama mentioned McCain and Obama's willingness to work with his former rival for the betterment of our great country. So, you tell me which group is more interested in the success of their country?

Some of the comments I am reading here are just further proof of how out of touch with reality the people of this county are. Perhaps you should pull your collective heads out of your rear end and see the light of day. This is a new generation and a new outlook on life. Its time to put the old way of doing things aside and move forward to a better day. Something the people of this county seem to be hard pressed to do in so many areas.

The Bush administration and their arrogance have destroyed the reputation of this country throughout the world and have destroyed its economy. I was amazed at what I read today at the attitude of other countries about this election. I believe that we have turned a corner and are now on the road to the recovery of this great nation. There is now a light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't a train, it's the light of a new day.

Mr. Bush - YOU'RE FIRED!!!

Congratulations President-Elect Obama!

Anonymous said...

I think we need some kind of facist rule in this country now... look how this election has turned everyone on each other... I had friends that I no longer speak with because they just cant shut up about this darned election. Obama didnt ruin America, I didnt vote for him personally, I voted for an independent, America has just become a land of whining little girls. (pardon the use of the word ladies) I am so tired of this election process and the he said she said BS that has gone on during it. You people will bicker till the end of time just like they will be fighting in the middle east over religion forever. The only way to get things back to good is another CIVIL WAR! That is what it is going to come to, that will give everyone something else to whine about!

Anonymous said...

"I really, truly and sincerely wish that folks would not use that socialism excuse...
It just makes you look silly.
Do we not have Social Security?
And what do you think of Jesus Christ who taught us to

Jesus said to give FREELY.

Government takes by FORCE.

Biden "gave" a pittance compared to what his income was.

You are confusing Christian ethics with Marxist ideals.

Jesus was not a Marxist, as far as I can tell.

You must know a different jesus?

Anonymous said...

There won't be a nation left to help "see the light of day" because we will be obliterated by the very countries that we feed (thanks to the dems) because they will blow us up knowing "Barry" won't retaliate because he's full of love, peace, and wealth for all!

Anonymous said...

Democracy is the road to socialism.
Karl Marx

For the bureaucrat, the world is a mere object to be manipulated by him.
Karl Marx

In a higher phase of communist society... only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx

Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries, unite!
Karl Marx

Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.
Karl Marx

The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e., the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.
Karl Marx

The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
Karl Marx

The rich will do anything for the poor but get off their backs.
Karl Marx

The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class.
Karl Marx

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
Karl Marx

The worker of the world has nothing to lose, but their chains, workers of the world unite.
Karl Marx

More socialism means more democracy, openness and collectivism in everyday life.
Mikhail Gorbachev

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Alexis de Tocqueville

I don't need a Leader, I need government to get out of my way,out of my house and out of my pocketbook.

Anonymous said...

I saw a cartoon in the paper yesterday that sums up this election: It was a cartoon of Bush and Cheney...Bush said, "Lets list our accomplishments." Cheney said, "Number one is we didn't get impeached!" YEAH OBAMA!

Anonymous said...

Can someone, anyone explain to me why someone who has made the choice to sit on their couch all day not working be entitled to money that someone else earns who has paid their way through college, took 7 years to obtain a master's degree while working fulltime and raising 3 kids (without the aid of welfare) and now has a job paying $150,000 a year plus? I'm just not understand the "share the wealth" thing Obama was so passionate about.

Anonymous said...

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote
themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage'

Can everyone see what phase we are in right now?


Anonymous said...

"saw a cartoon in the paper yesterday that sums up this election: It was a cartoon of Bush and Cheney...Bush said, "Lets list our accomplishments." Cheney said, "Number one is we didn't get impeached!" YEAH OBAMA!...."

ummmm.....recall that Clinton did get impeached so Bush/Cheney do have that on the last Democrat president.

I voted for McCain but Obama is now my President so I will give him the respect the office deserves (unlike so many of the liberals have done with W over the past 8 yrs).

We are a divided nation, unfortunately, so hopefully Obama will see this and try to govern from the center. His record in both the state senate and limited record in the US senate show he has not been willing to do this. I agree that this was an election about change and repudiation of the past 8 yrs, but I don't think that most Americans (even those that voted for Obama) wan't a government of far left societal experiments.

The folks on the right need to accept that the people have spoken and have chosen Obama so let's give him a chance. Moreover, no one can deny that his being elected does help heal past wounds of our conutry. The folks on the left need to realize that just a hair under 50% of Americans resent what Barack campaigned on...a large centralized government trying to take care of everyone's problems. We prefer to take care of our own problems with our own resources that we worked hard to obtain. So when we challenge Barack going forward (and we will) please respect that we merely have a different view on the role of government. Don't label us rednecks or racists.


Anonymous said...

I believe you all,(Obama supporters) need to open your eyes, ears, hearts and Bibles and hear what Christ has to say about the last days. Those of you that claim to be "Christians", and Mr. Obama claiming to be a christian better take another look at the plan of salvation and reevaluate your future. I say this in humility and love, for I too am a sinner but forgiven and bought w/the blood of Christ. If you know anything about the book of Daniel and book of Revelation it is obvious that the stage has been set, and has been for some time now for Prophecy to be fulfilled. The people Obama has had ties w/, the things he's done and the things he believes in, ought to make shivers run down any God fearing man or womens back. Those that opposed McCain and Palin especially, you could see the hatred so much that it was almost like poisonus venum coming from a snakes fangs. And as for those of you that like to use scripture to support what Obama is doing or planning on doing, Satan twisted scripture too when he was tempting Christ in the wilderness. Scripture also say "if a man does not work, he does not eat!" (paraphrased). I like many others am saddened and am afraid that The America (United States Of America) that we once knew and that our forefathers fought for is history. I believe our soverinty as a Nation and God fearing country is no longer. I will still pray for her and those in charge of her, but i believe all they will do is turn a deaf ear His way. Forgive them Father for they know not what they do!!

Anonymous said...

CFR Team B Routs CFR Team A.
Gary North

November 5, 2008

Here is part 1 of a handy table showing the outcome of yesterday's Presidential election.

Here is part 2.
During Bush's first six years, he never vetoed a bill. He never vetoed a spending bill. He ramrodded the $700 billion bailout.

Now, Nancy Pelosi is in charge. Obama will sign whatever she puts on his desk. She will put a lot on his desk.

The problem is Congress. Congress is Constitutionally in charge of legislation, and Congress is now in the hands of the Democrats.

The tax code will be changed for the worse. The Kyoto Protocol on climate change will be ratified by the Senate as a treaty -- unbreakable by subsequent Congresses. Economic growth will take longer to reappear, and the recovery will be slow and weak. Monetary inflation will continue. But on the fundamentals -- the previous two tables -- there will be no change from what would have occurred anyway.

At the center of the economy is the Federal Reserve System. The election changed nothing here.

At the center of foreign policy is the Council on Foreign Relations. It was founded in 1921. The Democrats' CFR Team B will now become Team A. The side that once backed Henry Kissinger will be replaced by the side that once backed Madeleine Albright. Madeleine Albright is the daughter of the late Josef Korbel. Condoleezza Rice was Korbel's favorite student.

And so it goes: Team A vs. Team B. This has been true ever since the days of Benjamin Harrison (Republican), whose Secretary of State was John Foster. He was known as "the Fixer." His son-in-law Robert Lansing was Scretary of State under Woodrow Wilson (Democrat). Lansing helped push the country into World War I, after Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan resigned in 1915 in protest against Wilson's non-neutral neutrality. (Bryan was the last non-Insider to serve as Secretary of State.) Foster's grandson John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State under Eisenhower (Republican). His other grandson Allen was the head of the CIA under Eisenhower and Kennedy (Democrat).

Random? I don't think so.

Then there was Henry L. Stimson, called the Chairman of the American Establishment, the successor in this unofficial post of his mentor, Elihu Root. Stimson served as Secretary of War under Taft (Republican), Secretary of State under Hoover (Republican), and Secretary of War under Roosevelt (Democrat). He was chairman of both teams.

Lesson: things change politically at the margin. They do not change at the core without a lost war or (sometimes) a revolution.

Late in Obama's victory speech, he genuflected to the CFR. He announced: "Business as usual."

To those -- to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.
Same old, same old

Anonymous said...

On The View today they stated our Nation is 44% Minority. What that tells me is the number will rapidly grow and there will not be enough non-minority to keep these people. Unfortunately spreading the wealth does not mean wealth it means survival. Hopefully of the most fit!

Anonymous said...

God, please help that anonymous person learn how to spell Republic.

Anonymous said...

If 44% of the nation is currently minority and they continue to grow, won't they soon become the non-minority? Then, the rest of us, currently the non-minority, will become the minority. Do you think we'll have everything handed to us on a silver platter? Something tells me NOT.

Anonymous said...

Why does anyone insist on trying to cause regrets in who they voted for? I am for Obama and I have no regrets nor will I ever. My vote didn't make him president, it was all of the American people together that voted for him, and he won because more Americans can see a brighter glimmer oh hope in the future. All you that say he wants to take all of your hard earned money and give to the people who choose not to financially support themselves are the ones that need to be educated. I listened to both sides offer wonderful things to the American people, but Obama convinced me more than McCain with changes I am concerned about. It has nothing to do with free money. I work everyday and make 44,000 a year and as an American, I have the right to come up with my own opinion. Everyone had the equal right to vote on thier own opinions, and Obama was elected.Look at the bright side, atleast GW is out.

Anonymous said...

BOO FREAKEN' HOO!! Obama won deal with it. why would we want to take our president and leave the country. We got what we wanted here in America. Obama is the President of the United States of America, and not any other country, so why would I want to leave?

Anonymous said...

I'm going to form the United Caucasian College fund.

Anonymous said...

I love how you are all willing to talk trash about the other parties but do not post your name! If this is something that you believe in, stand up for it! I also believe that a problem is that most people do not care to research what each of the candidates stand for and so all they "assume" (you know what that does), is what they have been told by their colleagues and neighbors and friends. Get off your lazy a**es and do some actual research for your self betterment.


Anonymous said...

Let me be the first to contribute to your United Caucasian College fund before Obama sucks all my money and gives it the illegal aliens for retirement. His illegal aunt is going to need something to live on you know. Her illegally obtained social security won't pay the bills she accrues in her public housing. Heck, his wife obtained her top notch degree from Harvard for free. Maybe she can tell us working people how to get something for nothing. His family seems to be experts at that.

Anonymous said...

I love this blog and often send the link to all my friends who don't believe an ultra-white, right-wing, racist, uneducated, rural america actually exists. They believe me now.

Anonymous said...

You all are being bigger babies than Mccain is. Atleast he was man enough to accept his defeat and congratulate and speak about Obama in a positive and respectful manor. Not once did he sound like a racist jackass.

Anonymous said...

Potter County will always be what we are. Love it. Visit the south and enjoy the vacation but getting back to PC is a reality check on being just about the only place on the East Coast.....well y'all can probably figure out what I mean.

Anonymous said...

To the one who loves this blog, I just would like to say that unfortunately it does exist and it's a shame people are still like this in America. If some of these people would ever travel out of their comfort zone, and see what America really stands for, they might actually understand. Just please let your friends know that not all of us share the same opinions and brain as those that are.

Anonymous said...

Please... can my daughter be the first recipient of the United Caucasian College Fund?

Anonymous said...

It's pretty sad day in America when you realize that many people of the Republican persuasion can't
apologize to the rest of us for the Inept President that is leaving office:(

When President Clinton left we had a surplus...

Today we have horrendously huge defecits, Companies large and small are closing and laying off employees and the stock market continues it's dive into oblivion which we haven't seen since


And let's remember that Hoover was a REPUBLICAN TOO.

So why can't some of us be HONEST and say we made a mistake?

I have no idea.

Oh, and to that person who wrote about welfare?

Well, Jesus said give your money to the poor.

He didn't make excuses he just said do it...

Of course, you could CREATE JOBS

FOREIGNERS..couldn't you?

I guess that is too terribly difficult.

Some here can blame Clinton for everything but I BLAME BUSH...

Because Mr GWB has been in the White House and has repeated over and over that he loves the idea of outsourcing!

At any rate, quit your whining!

You got yours, now let's make sure everyone else gets a chance to get theirs and while we are at it, you won't find us telling anyone NO!

Anonymous said...

I hate doing this as one can't win, but feel compelled........

1. I am a republican and will admit that Bush and the Republicans screwed up, have been inept, etc. But certainly the folks on the other side must admit to as much from their elected leaders (recall Schumer caused Indymac to go belly up with some assinine comments) We should all be skeptical of our politicians whether they are of your party or the other. This premise of skepticism of government is what our country was founded on. I congratulate Barack and as my President he has my prayers and respect, but the one thing that concerned me during the campaign was the blind faith shown by his followers. I supported McCain but I could tell you quite a few things I disagree with him on and a few things that just outright scare me about him. Not sure I saw this with Obama supporters....folks, the guy is only going to be able to do so much.

2. Clinton left with a surplus because he and a Republican controlled congress worked together to balance the budget. It's that simple. Both sides should get credit for that. Likewise, Bush leaves with a deficit because he and Congress (controlled by both parties) could not balance the budget. Thus both parties deserve the blame. It's that simple.

3. Charity - the folks on the left are missing the point. An individual can be more charitable than a government. I can give my money directly to the organization or cause. Too many levels of beauracrats (sp?) for it to efficiently funnel down when the government handles the transaction. Moreover, the hypocrisy on this issue drives me bonkers. Biden, the man of the people, gave 3,600 bucks over 10 YEARS to charities. I have given well over that much this year alone and I suspect that I don't make as much as the Biden household (and I am sure that others on this blog can say the same thing). Will I stop giving because Obama won. Of course not, but it is possible that with higher taxes I will have less to give. Now that would not matter if the money taken from me via higher taxes went directly to a noble cause, but it won't. The additional monies will be wasted by government. So yes the big guy in the sky said help your brother out, but I cannot feed my sheep if the government takes the feed. Jesus did not say give the money to the Roman empire so that they can distribute it for you.

4. The economy......this is not the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression. Yes, our economy blows right now and is going to get worse before it gets better. But any economist that was not trying to get a politician elected will tell you that this recession is on course to be as bad as the recession of 1982. I bet most of you folks cannot remember the recession of 1982. I bet most of you folks would not have even thought we had a recession in 1982 since they were the Reagan years. The only point I am making here is to be careful here. Because the economy is based 2/3 on consumer spending and if you keep telling consumers this is the mother of all economic crisises then it will become a self fulfilling prophecy. The economy is bad right now, but shame on ALL politicians and the media for potentially making matters worse with the doom and gloom that was spread to get votes.


Anonymous said...

I didn't hear the Dem's apologize for Clinton ruining that beautiful red dress the gal was wearing in his oval office!!!! Oh but that wasn't sex.....What did Clinton do when the Cole was bombed, oh yeah, nothing along with every other terroristic event. Pres. Bush walked into an international mess left by Clinton. Which by the way had already started to spiral down long before Bush took office. So, don't expect me to apologize for anything, just feel lucky you were safe for 8 years. Don't go sticking your head in the ground if all hell breaks loose and you need Rep. with backbone to save you.....

Anonymous said...


And please, leave Clinton out of it!

As long as I live, I will have a real hard time forgiving Bush for taking my job away....

This is the most outrageous thing any American can say or do.

Talk about being "Anti-American" I think this is it.

And it continues to this day!

And if you have a job and you don't agree with me well maybe you shouldn't be talking and try walking in MY SHOES for a while!

Anonymous said...

I have been reading these posts all day. And even though I know what I will post will probably fall on deaf ears and will be met with angry comments...I am going to anyway. I agree with some on here and disagree with many. Both sides democrats and republicans bear some blame for the current state we are in. And we all need to acknowledge that. I personally feel Bush has not done a good job and no one can persuade me otherwise. He has been in office the last 8 years and nothing much has come out of those 8 years....we are in debt beyond belief....granite he may have inherited some of it...but he has created some of it too...and that is a fact...the economy is where it is...and people flat out are scared. I personally believe too many people saw McCain in the same light they perceive Bush now and that is why he lost. You can bash Obama all you want and whine and complain about him being in office...but he is and that isn't going to change. I read a comment about a person quitting their job and collecting welfare. Why do you think there are so many people on welfare??? Some people yes legitimately need to be on it...and others (like the comment referred to) find a loop hole and abuse the system and milk it for every dime....that is why it is so high...I laugh at the minority comments...what about the millions of illegal immigrants that have entered our country over the years whether a democrat or republican was president??? they haven't stopped yet... we have been a minority for a long time...that isn't going to change hasn't yet...there will always be people that come here for the "american dream" and most of us...probably including some of the posters have relatives that came here long ago the same way. I also find it quite contradictory about people being scared "about spreading the wealth" we all received stimulus checks and I am sure we all cashed what would you consider that??? We received that from the government. And in the end we will pay for it anyway...the 700 billion dollar bail out we will pay for...and who did that benefit??? not the bailed out banks that created their own mess by shady lending practices...and they had to be bailed out so the economy wouldn't fall to pieces...and I am sure that will get blamed on the dem's but were they the ones approving all these loans??? And for the comment about Bush walking into a mess from Clinton...I don't agree...we had a surplus...we were on good terms with other countries...we weren't in a war...there were ample jobs...the country was good. What has Bush done about finding Osama Bin Laden??? The man who caused the worst terrorist event in our history...nothing...he sent us to Iraq. Now granite they caught and killed Saddam but that is the only good thing that has come out of that...We have been over there 7 years and what else has been accomplished??? They still hate us and still aren't ready to stand on their much longer do we need to hold their hands...the main threat was taken care of. There will never be a time when someone doesn't want to harm us...for one Saddam death their are ten more just like him wanting to take his will be never ending. We need to be proactive and protect ourselves. At the end of the day things aren't going to change is going to take time and effort on both sides. And the sooner they all figure out that they need to work together...the better off we will all be. Greed, ego's and all the other stuff needs to be put aside. And we need to work on making this the country it deserves to be. And for the record Clinton was not impeached (I am not saying that i agree with what he did)...he was acquitted of both charges against him...and that is fact too and you can look it up an read it yourself...and one more thing the dress was blue not red.

Anonymous said...

and before someone comments about it...i spelled granite should have been granted...

Anonymous said...

I did not vote for Obama but since he won I will now have to support him and hope for the best...

Mark, your comments are so true and I feel the same way! And I DO remember the recession of 1982 as well.

That being said, If you Dem's think for one minute that more spending will not mean more taxes across the board we are only kidding ourselves. I will bet dollars to doughnuts our new Pres. will start back pedaling and QUICKLY at that.

My biggest problem with him feeling the need to spread the wealth is our government is TOO big! Too often the right hand does not know what the left is doing and this causes major head aches for us hard working tax payers!

I was raised to believe you MUST help and take care yourself and do not expect others to do it for you.
At the rate the USA is going there will not be enough of us tax paying workers to keep helping the ones that feel they deserve to be taken care of!

"ultra-white, right-wing, racist, uneducated, rural america actually exists"

And to the blogger that made this remark, get a grip! We are not all racist and uneducated...Maybe, just maybe, we have been tax paying, hard working citizens a little longer than you!

I have never been racist but the Al Sharptens, Jessie Jacksons, and Rev. White's of the world keep it alive and thriving!

Anonymous said...

Um, it was a blue dress. Do you need help with your colors?

Anonymous said...

It started before the son was in the white house? When did it start? Maybe when his father was president? Is he the one that strirred the hornets nest?

Anonymous said...

You mean a blue dress.

Anonymous said...

"Get the government off my back"
Used to be the clarion call of Republicans until George W. Bush.

Let me tell you one thing again:

For the past several years I have said that the government aka

George W. Bush should get off my back and the backs of other hard working Americans who have had their jobs stolen from them and given to FOREIGNERS due to OUTSOURCING.

Lately, I've heard that Republicans are just out for their peice of the pie and to hell with anyone else.

I'm beginning to believe that it must be the case.

No Republican here has agreed with me on outsourcing.

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it...

Lately, I've begun to realize that at least in some parishes, we don't go to praise God but we praise The Church of The Republican Party.

I say it's time to get the Republican Party out of Church!

Anonymous said...

You are right it was blue! I should have realized Democrat dress not Republican.......

Anonymous said...

It will be a pleasure to see George W. Bush leave the White House.

He will leave the office with a clean conscious due to a variety of mental illness.

We the people of the United States should be ashamed in not pressuring our representatives to impeach him.

Anonymous said...

At the risk of being very petty...Clinton was in fact impeached. You can look that up. The House impeached him and then the Senate decided to not remove him for the impeachment activity. Everyone thinks impeachment means removal from office, it doesn't. Impeachment is more or less being indicted. After being impeached or indicted a decision has to be made as to whether or not the offense rises to the level to require removal from office. Don't take my word for it as this is an easy one to google.

"The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Sections 2 and 3, which discuss the procedure, and in Article II, Section 4, which indicates the grounds for impeachment: "the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Removing an official from office requires two steps: (1) a formal accusation, or impeachment, by the House of Representatives, and (2) a trial and conviction by the Senate. Impeachment requires a majority vote of the House; conviction is more difficult, requiring a two-thirds vote by the Senate. The vice president presides over the Senate proceedings in the case of all officials except the president, whose trial is presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court. This is because the vice president can hardly be considered a disinterested party—if his or her boss is forced out of office he or she is next in line for the top job!

The impeachment by the house was carried out against Clinton so he was only the second president ever impeached in the history of the US.

I too will be losing my job shortly, not to outsourcing but to bad decisions made by the executives at the company I work for. I do not blame Bush for my soon to be had unemployment. Likewise, if you want to blame Bush for outsourcing then I think you need to back the claims with facts. Moreover, more jobs were "lost" to outsourcing during the latter years of the Clinton administration than the Bush administration. In fact many of the service industries are now bringing some of those gigs back because the great outsourcing idea turns out to maybe not be as great as they hoped. no means am I defending Bush. He's screwed some things up no doubt about it. But realistically folks it seems certain folks have this blind faith that Obama is going to make everything "good" and I think you are setting yourself up for more disappointment. Two days after the election he is already "resetting" many of the expectations. Again, I didn't vote for him, but he's my president and I really, really hope that he shows me someday that I made a mistake by not voting for him. But I am concerned about the divisiveness that seems to exist between the two sides (naturally I don't help the cause by making posts like this).


Anonymous said...

OK, we have African American quarterbacks, head coaches, baseball pitchers, and now a president elect (even though his mother was white). My question to President elect Obama is, are we even yet? Can we drop all the nonsense of unequality? Oh wait, Obama pays his female women staffers less than the male staffers. Guess we're not all equal after all. Maybe we need Hillary or Sarah Palin as the next president to truly erase all unequality. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about it.

Anonymous said...


Mr. Bush has said many times he likes the idea of outsourcing.

What he did is to make the climate agreeable, all the while looking the other way, so that those executives who wanted to outsource could.

Never in our history have we had a president who agreed with this horrendous way of Executives padding their own salaries.

My folks came here to America, like most folks do, in search of a BETTER LIFE...

Bush has made a mockery of the American dream.

And that is why he got trounced.



It's as simple as that!

Anonymous said...

For the person who mispelled granted. Everything you have said is exactly what needed to be said. I heard you loud and clear. Unfortunately, you have those that are so angry and bitter about a Dem in the white house, that they make such insults to push people to feel the same way. Like I have always been told, misery loves company. I don't care how miserable these ones may be right now, because when they start the name calling and the nasty insults, I believe it's because America spoke and the truth hurts them. Obama is president now for reasons that over 50% of Americans agreed with. I am educated and have an open mind to see this man through as president.

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Anonymous said...

I don't know what we are debating here.....I didn't say Bush was a great president. I said several times that I think he has done a lousy job.

What I am now saying is that if you think Bush is responsible for the outsourcing of all American Jobs than you are being naive (dare I say silly). Did Bush endorse policies that made it easier to outsource jobs..perhaps. But so did Clinton.

Here's the thing that you need to come to terms with....if you think greedy executives only existed under a Bush administration or that he allowed greedy executives to get away with stealing than you are beyond naive. This has happend under every administration and will continue to happen under every administration. The Enrons, Worldcom, Qwest, Adelphia, all of that corporate crime was uncovered during late 2001 and early 2002. The crimes committed by the individuals were committed during the mid and late 90s. The Clinton years. Was this Clinton's fault....hell no. It was the fault of the greedy bastards running the corporations. Greed my friend has been around forever and will always be here. Even Barack cannot eliminate greed.

So where does that leave us...Did Bush fail as a president? In my opinion he failed on many things and successful on a few things. Have the American people spoken that they want Obama and this may be a repudiation of the Bush years. Absolutely agree with you there.

But has Bush made a mockery of the American dream??? I don't see that. What do you base that on?

Yes most folks come here for a better life. And you know what, if they are willing to work hard, experience some hardships along the way, get stronger from those hardships they WILL have a better life. If this weren't the case we would have seen a mass exodus of folks from our country and guess what...THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. Criticize all you want but this is still the Best Country in the history of the world. This is still the case after George Bush and will still be the case after Barack Obama.

I think what we disagree on is I think this is a great country currenly experiencing problems. It appears you think this is a not so great country that can only be made great under the leadership of anyone other than Bush. We disagree but the beauty here is that we can disagree.


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Anonymous said...

The one sick of hearing about it...
Is that the only issue you have with Obama being President? Another African American working hard throughout his life to accomplish his dreams? As for being even, do you spend your life keeping score like it's some freakin' race about who's the better person, because I am pretty sure he didn't keep you from becoming the next president. I though that everyone who was living in this country legally were Americans regardless of what tone their skin is, therefore all of the pitchers, coaches, team players and presidents in America are Americans, and if they worked hard to be successful, while you are busy keeping score, then all of you are where you deserve to be. So, my opinion to the question you asked about are we even is "we are equal".

Anonymous said...

We all should get use to it, because Democrats will probably be running the country for many more elections to come.

Anonymous said...

We are Even, but to that person who asked that question, I think you are a liilte slow, so catch up if you can. If you're so tired of hearing it, then why on earth would you be reading this blog, because obviosly thats all you are going to hear about, DUH!

Anonymous said...

People come to the USA looking for a better future. If they don't find it they blame our government. Just try another country until they find what they're looking for. Oh, that's right we have always been the nation to let just about all in. Maybe we should take a lesson and CLOSE THE DOOR! I truly believe you get what you work for even the bumps along the way but keep on going and prove your own strength.

Anonymous said...

McCaine said that he would rather lose a political victory than lose a war.


I personally lost any respect for McCaine when he teamed up with Bush.

McCain having served in the Vietnam Conflict should have known better than to team up with Bush and support another war.

I must note that I listened to George W. Bush this morning on CNN and he noted that he will soon be out of a job. I am sure that he can find employment in Iraq in the blink of an eye.


Anonymous said...

I hope Mark keeps on's good to see a voice of reason on this blog. I had about given up.

"Outsourcing" is what it is. It's done with the hope of providing more value to customers and to make more profits. Sometimes it's worked and sometimes it hasn't.

Should someone in an urban/suburban part of U.S. be upset if his call center job is outsourced to Empereon in Coudersport. I don't know this for sure, but I would bet Empereon is providing customer service/selling product to a lot of folks who live in urban/suburban U.S.

When the "outsourcing" companies were seeking more value and higher profits, you could benefit as a consumer for getting more value for your $ that you pay to the company or as a stockholder if you happened to have that company's stock in your 401K or IRA. But as Mark rightly said a lot of those jobs are coming back, because they didn't provide the expected value.

As far as placing governmental blame for outsourcing...I would be looking at minimum wage laws, horrendous taxes, pages and pages of governmental labor regulations which more often than not were promulgated by the Democratic Party.

I'm just hoping the size of gov't doesn't explode under an Obama administration. We'll see.

Anonymous said...

Clinton's little blow job in the office doesn't even begin to compare with the atrocities that Bush has performed while in office, ie lying and taking us to war where we now have over 4000 killed...for what...nothing. Bush should have been impeached.

Anonymous said...

It is also a simple fact that alot of people are wondering if Obama Is the antichrist that the bible speaks of. Is it a chance? YES it is. If he is there is nothing that any of us can do. He would have become presNo matter what. Is the world in shap for that part of the bible to become fact? There is Absolutly no reason to beleave it not. There is a Huge world economy crisis. There is world food shortage. There has always been woas and rummers of wars. And lets face the facts no matter where you are in the USA the country There is alot more crime and destruction and it is just gonna get worst. That is just a few signs of end times coming there are more and if you read the bible most of them are happing now yes there are a couple that have not happened yet but give him time Obama will try for world peace already spoke of it . Plus he will probably work towards 1 world curency to help with the world economey. plus let not forget that the temple must be rebuilt lets face the facts there is a conflict over there now over a holly shrine so is that a chance. points in that direction. So lets just try to come together as a country and not get rid of religian lets bring it back in to our everyday lives that is the only thing we can do if he is the anti- Christ. Yes i know I mispelled a few words. GOD bless everyone & GOD be with us in these trying times that are ahead.

Anonymous said...

To the person who made the equality comment and talked about Obama paying female staff less than the males: I learned the other day that there is nothing stated in the Constitution about women being equal to men. We women have only one constitutional right: to vote. Even after 200 years of fighting for equality, women are still objects of sexual discrimination, being passed over for jobs, and other such crap. There is an amendment (Equal Rights Amendment) that has been put before the legislature repeatedly since only needs 38 states to ratify it, and it still isn't passed!! This amendment isn't just for women though. It ensures that men won't be discriminated against also, especially in family court during custody hearings. We need an amendment like this because it ensures that the law cannot use sex to make a ruling. I feel this is an outrage, because we are all Americans, and supposed to be equals. I hope that for our children's sakes, this passes. For more information, visit

Anonymous said...

The only reason that ANY president ever gets elected is because they were able to reach out to the voters better than their opponent. All it has become is a big sales pitch....the majority of the REAL decisions that are made in Wash DC come from congress. This is what needs to be corrected in this country....electing a new president may or may not help, but rarely are their any major changes brought about other than going to war, which still has to pass a vote. I think we should some boxes of Decon in Washington and get rid of the rats.

Anonymous said...

Clinton's little act was that of any other man. If thats the worse thing the president does, I can handle it. Nobody was killed, jobless, or homeless over it. He didn't lie to Americans and insulting their intelligence by claiming there were WMD somewhere, and wind up costing Thousands upon Thousands of Americans their loved ones.

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Anonymous said...

Well what a happy day. The market
is tanking after the people get what they want. Shortly we will all be broke. It is a delicate balancing act and the markets (who run big business which hurts us all) does not like his policies.
No jobs here or anyplace.
Social medicine is a horror...the elderly will be weaned off of medical care altogether..oh what have you wrought.

Anonymous said...

I agree with John...our problems are due to congress not the president. We need to put 8 yr term limits on congress members just like the president has. To the person who thinks Obama is the antichrist should know that Obama belongs to a Christian church and has for most of his life. He still goes to church...when was the last tme McCain even mentioned church let alone attend one. He claims to be a Baptist...he sure hasn't lived a life like a his trophy wife, etc.

Anonymous said...

I say john q public for president in 2012 - he or she is dead on. Career politicians whether Republicans and Dems I am afraid need to go.

I don't mean the following to sound partisan as its just an example of what is wrong in Washington....As most of you know Biden won his re-election for Senator and since he will step aside the Governor of Del will appoint a new senator. The governor is a Dem so he will appoint a Dem (no problem there) but here's the rub......he will only appoint a Dem who will step aside in late 2009 when Biden's son gets back from Iraq. Biden has gone on record as saying he "has groomed his son to replace him as senator" and implied he will raise all kinds of hell if the gov appoints someone that has ambitions of serving a little longer than a year . Now I have all of the respect in the world for his son as he is serving his country and I cannot say he would make a bad senator, but this sense of "royalty" by Biden Sr is exactly what is wrong with our Congress. To prove I am not trying to be partisan here.....I know you can say the same thing about the Bush family. Guess what - I totally agree with you if you do.

Our founders never, ever imagined career politicians like this. You were supposed to go out bust your ass, be successful, and then it was your duty to serve a term or two in DC. Never, ever were we supposed to "groom" people for politics. Certainly I understand that strict term limits are not always the answer either, but it seems to me our beloved leaders should "know" when it's time to go. Obviously I am the naive one here because obviously they do not.



Anonymous said...

"over 4000 killed...for what...nothing"

Dude - this is a very offensive statement. I know you mean no disrespect to our troops and probably think you are speaking on their behalf, but I dare say that most of our troops do think they have accomplished more than "nothing", I dare say that they believe their fallen comrades did not die for "nothing", I dare say that it would be extremely painful for a parent who has lost a son or daughter to hear that it was for "nothing".

I have not served our country in the armed forces and as such I will always think of myself as a little less of a person than the people that have. I cannot even imagine would it would be like. But like us all I have numerous friends and relatives that have served in either Gulf 1, Afghan, or Iraq and I know nothing disheartens them more than to hear that they are over for "nothing".


Anonymous said...

Mark, I served in the military in Vietnam and once again it was a war for nothing..being ex-military I can say it. And you who have not served, have no idea what it is like to serve in a war that you know is wrong.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous - I thank you for your service. Your opinion does indeed differ from those that I know who have served. I have lost a buddy and I know his parents would strongly disagree with you. But as you pointed out I personally have no idea so I will respectfully shut the hell up on this issue.


Anonymous said...

"Our founders never, ever imagined career politicians like this."

I could not agree with you more. The longer some of these people serve the more favors they owe and "we the people" they are to be serving are forgotten! This is why most hard working, tax paying citizens are so fed up with our government.

Obama has promised to go through the budget and get rid of the waste. I hope this is true but while doing so I hope he also downsizes our government as well.

He sure has his work cut out for him, but he says he can do it because the mess in Washington is from DECADES of presidents Dem's & Rep. alike not just one party!

Anonymous said...

To the person that said Obama is a Christian. That is BS because first off if he was a Christian He would never attened o Muslem school. Second off up untill his last couple of speeches he did not say god bless. He only did that to try and get more voter. third off IF he were a christian he would have never made the statement that religian is what is destroying our country THAT IS BS NOT ENOUGH IS DESTROYING IT.

Anonymous said...

Please go into Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties - Special Reports from

There have been 4,505 coalition deaths -- 4,191 Americans, two Australians, one Azerbaigani, 176 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, five Georgians, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvians, 22 Poles, three Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of November 5, 2008, according to a CNN count. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). You will find a list of the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose deaths have been reported by their country's governments. The list also includes seven employees of the U.S. Defense Department. At least 30,774 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. View the casualties in the war in Afghanistan and examine U.S. war casulaties.

View by date, by name and pictures.

This is for all of you that have supported George W. Bush's war and voted for John McCain, who would continue this senseless war.

Remember, George W. Bush saying afterall, "they tried to kill my Daddy."

And don't forget the Iraqi civilians.

George W. Bush needs to fess up the world and admit he screwed up.

Anonymous said...

You can quote the number of deaths from the war in Iraq where the mission is to liberate people that have been oppressed all of their lives...something like what happened in the revolutionary war when the colonies were being bulldogged by England. What you are failing to realize is that ther are many more deaths that happen in the United States in a day from smoking than there are deaths of our U.S. Servicemen that "volunteered" to protect our country. I don't see anyone pointing fingers at the tobacco companies that are still making billions of dollars per year...nobody is shutting them down.

Anonymous said...

President-Elect Obama is a Christian.

The guy was even EMPLOYED by THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF CHICAGO when he was a community organizer.

Why is it that folks telll LIES?

Of course, you can always tell when someone is a Republican or Conservative...

They always blame Bill Clinton for everything!

Anonymous said...

To the person that compares the deaths and injuries of our troops to cigarette smokers and manufacturers, do you have a brain?? You better take a trip to the Wizard of Oz.

Good Gawd!

Anonymous said...

Cuba here we come yeaha!!!!

Anonymous said...

I do have a brain...and I use it .... I am a veteran of the Persian Gulf War and Operation Provide Comfort.
I sat with my gasmask on and CBR sirens blaring and never had a second of regret that I was there protecting my country as I helped give the Kurdish refugees blankets and food. I wish I could have had pictures of the scared Kurd children cowering with their families. I volunteered my life so YOU could post your "Wizard of Oz" comments and that is fine with's your right. Maybe you have forgotten about the 2,740 people that were killed in the unprovoked attack on 9/11/2001 and the people that were killed on the jets that hit the Pentagon and went down in PA? I believe that the losses that we have had are completely justified by the cause and in my opinion, you are voicing a very un-american opinion by questioning the principles of our president, George W Bush, and our country. This is just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it......

Anonymous said...

to John seem to forget...the attack on 9/11 was not done by anyone in was done by Saudi Arabian' come we aren't attacking them???/ OIL OIL way am I justifying Bush taking us to war...and oh yes..respect for the office does not mean respect for the individual in the office...they need to earn respect..Bush hasn't done that

Anonymous said...

To the Veteran above. God willing our Military will not suffer under BHB. I have a son with 21 years in SF and has been in many countries, now Afghan. You speak of the same as our son on what he saw. He was with the Kurds to the North so I know you know what is going on as well as the others that serve. So many run their mouth and not a clue on what is going on in the world! I'm sure after BHB's highly classified briefing he will have a different view on our terrorist threats. Good for you and carry your military pride with you forever!

Anonymous said...

"the attack on 9/11 was not done by anyone in was done by Saudi Arabian's"

Actually the 9/11 attacks were allegedly done by Al Qaeda, which actually is a world wide terrorist organization and is harbored by a lot of the middle eastern countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan to name a few. As a service member, one of the first things that you learn is respect for the chain of command and the President is the top link in that chain and has acquired respect by being elected to that office.

Anonymous said...

to John q..I too was a serviceman and I served in NATO HQ in Europe supporting 2 4 star generals and a zillion other thing I learned there is that there is a lot of things that go on in the military that americans never no about. One thing I learned during my tour of duty no one, even the President of the US.

Anonymous said...

Fellow service member, as you should notice from my post....I I used the word respect as it is dictated by the chain of command sometimes via a hand salute....but I do agree with you to an extent about trusting the chain of command. There are definitely numerous things that happen in the military and the public government that are not known to the general public.

Anonymous said...

This is for anonymous who spoke on how Jesus Christ said we should share. He also said to love our neighbor and turn the other cheek. Do you really think Obama is able to do that considering that he may be anti-white.
If you want to go a step further with using Jesus Christ as an example for Obama....what about the 10 Commandments. Thou shall not kill. Abortion kills. The act of homosexuality (note that I said "act", not the person.) is a sin and an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Obama represents a political party that wants gay marriage legal and abortion still an option.
I voted for Bush because I had to vote my conscience on these issues but I am dissappointed in Bush's over all performance.

This country thrived and grew for hundreds of years because it was founded on Christian values. Perfect it was not but we still looked to God in running the country. We have now taken God so out of the picture your eyes and take a good look around....that's where you'll find your answer.

The liberals in this country are taking over and they will someday have to be accountable for their role in how this country has turned out.

When Sarah Palin was interviewed by Katy Couric, whom I have since lost all respect for, she asked her a question about abortion. Sarah could not give a good enough answer for America, maybe I can.

If my daughter told me that her father raped her and she was pregnant, first of all I would be devastated and unfathomably mad. But, the reality here is two-fold. First of all, rape victims are truly victims of a horrible and violent crime against them as a person and their body. The pain and suffering that they go through is something that I cannot possible understand but can only imagine after sharing their pain with them by what they share. Without proper support the prospect of an even somewhat normal life is impossible. Now considering this pain that a woman goes through after a rape can only make them think about running away from it as fast as they can let alone being rape by someone they have to depend on and trust like their father. So I can sympathize with a woman not wanting a pregnancy that is a result of said act. The other option is adoption. I have read the results of a survey that consider the woman's feelings after having an abortion and the larger majority feel remorse after having said procedure done. Going through with a pregnancy and giving the child up for adoption will not only make a childless couple very happy but the pain in giving a child up won't be as painful as ending the life of a child and feeling remorse.

Second, The other victim in this scenario is the child. The child does not know that it is a result of a violent crime, but only that it wants to live. How can we punish the unborn child for an act it didn't commit. Why does that child have to be the penance for the disgusting man who needs to be held accountable.

I would never expect my daughter or anyone else to raise a child that they did not want. It's hard enough on the parent but equally hard for the child who was never wanted. But, I would expect my daughter to respect life and give that life a chance.