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Sunday, December 14, 2008

Letter To Commissioners On Revised Wind Turbine Draft

December 14, 2008
A letter to the Potter County Commissioners in response to their revised Wind Turbine draft ordinance.
The only changes of any significances made to the County’s proposed wind ordinance were:
  • Reduction in the application fee from $1000 to $500.
  • Reducing the setback requirement from 6 times to 5 times total turbine height, and closing the distance even more by measuring from the non-participating landowners nearest occupied building rather than nearest boundary line.
My questions/concerns regarding the original draft still stand and I’ve included them again at the bottom of this letter.
My primary concern continues to be that public safety be placed as the number one priority when it comes to industrial development in the County. Ensuring public safety for those living in the shadow of industrial wind turbines means addressing protection from physical injury and protection from noise.
  • The World Health Organization recommends that the level of continuous night-time noise outside of a dwelling be 45 dB or less, and inside bedrooms, night-time noise should be 30 dB or less. These thresholds should be even lower if there is a low-frequency component or impulsive quality to the sound, as there is for wind turbines. Higher levels of noise disturb sleep and produce a host of negative effects on health, well-being, and day-time productivity.
    http://www.who.int/docstore/peh/noise/guidelines2.html
  • Terry Matilsky is a Professor of Physics at Rutgers University. He has several decades of experience in applying the laws of physics to various environmental and commercial issues, and has served and testified as an expert witness in several venues, including United States Federal Courts. His calculation of ice throw distances for Wachusett Wind Power Site in Massachusetts determined that for turbines with a hub height of 230 feet and blade radius of 130 feet, “for all practical purposes, the theoretical maximum ice throw, in the absence of air resistance, would be about 2855 feet.” It is worth noting that hub heights and blade radius for turbines constructed in Potter County will in all likelihood be taller than those used in Professor Matilsky’s calculations.
    http://www.allianceformeredith.org/pdf/BasicPhysicsCalculationsOfIceThrowsMatilsky.pdf
  • Physical setback is needed from protection from shadow flicker as well as from projectiles. According to the American Wind Energy Association’s “Wind Energy Siting Handbook” on shadow flicker impact analysis: “Shadow flicker is the term used to describe the effect caused by the shadows cast by moving wind turbine blades when the sun is visible. This can result in alternating changes in light intensity perceived by viewers. … While shadow flicker can be perceived outdoors, it tends to be more noticeable in rooms with windows oriented to the shadows. A wind turbine’s shadow flicker impact area does not generally extend beyond 2 kilometers [1.2 miles], and high-impact durations (>200 hours per year) are generally located within approximately 300 meters [984 feet] of the turbine.”
    http://www.awea.org/sitinghandbook/downloads/AWEA_Siting_Handbook_Feb2008.pdf
This information, which supports the County’s position on wind turbine safety, demonstrates the depth to which you have researched wind development issues and should nullify any claims that passage of your ordinance will expose the County to lawsuits, as Jim Hoopes is reported in an Endeavor 12/6/2008 article to have stated during your December 4th meeting. However, it seems to me, any township ordinance with less than a 5 times the hub height setback and noise levels greater 30 dB is certainly opening the door to legal challenges.
With all the wide open space still available in this country, there has never been any need to build industrial wind turbines close to residential communities. Our federal and state legislators have done us a disservice by not designing community-based energy policies that place alternative energy development under the watchful eye of a utility regulatory authority, staffed by individuals educated in energy production. Placing wind development in private hands has left rural communities struggling to grasp the complexities of this new industry, setting friend against friend and neighbor against neighbor.
http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2008/04/the_next_american_civil_war.html
There is a growing movement across the country that is changing the conversation – community based wind farm development, an idea supported by the wind industry group, Windustry; an organization that “promotes progressive renewable energy solutions and empowers communities to develop wind energy as an environmentally sustainable, community-owned asset”. (http://www.windustry.org/communitywind)
Juhl Wind Inc, based in Minnesota, is a leader in developing this approach. Excerpts from their website (http://www.juhlwind.com/community_wind.php):
  • “Historically, landowners in rural areas had only one option to benefit from the development of wind farms in their community and that was to lease their land to large wind developers. These large and usually foreign-based developers would then sell the wind energy to the utility company and retain a majority of the project's profits. ... Community wind projects keep more dollars in local communities, preserve local energy independence, and protect the environment. Community wind projects average 10 - 20 turbines and can produce enough energy to power over 6,000 homes.”
  • “…the key feature of community wind is that local community members own and have a significant financial stake in the project beyond just land lease payments and tax revenue. Community wind projects can be any size, ranging from a single turbine to more than twenty, yet typically serve local communities or consumers. The key feature is that local community members have a significant, direct financial stake in the project beyond land lease payments and tax revenue.”
If Potter County took a community-based approach to the development of wind power, how might that change the conversation? As a community, we could all be involved in site selection so that no one would be harmed and everyone would benefit. What are you, as our Commissioners, doing to promote this idea in our state legislator? Assuming you are sincerely committed to economic growth and see alternative energy as a via economic opportunity, you are in a position to act on behalf of Potter County citizens, taking this dialogue to the next level and advocating truly viable alternative energy policies.
Respectfully,
Martha Young

42 comments :

Anonymous said...

People speaking out against wind turbine development in Potter County because of Health, Saftey, and Welfare issues have been accused of giving "misinformation" in an effort to convince others that wind turbines do not belong in Potter County.

Martha's tireless research shows that the only misinformation is coming from the wind industry.

There may be a place for wind turbines, but not at the expense of peoples Health, Saftety, and Happiness.

Anonymous said...

I am real tired of Martha Youngs rants on wind power. With all her hot air you could power a turbine. We know. She doesn't want them.

Anonymous said...

"I am real tired of Martha Youngs rants on wind power. With all her hot air you could power a turbine"

Another ad hominem attack. No response to the information.

Anonymous said...

why do we need these wind turbines any way for the 70 years i have been around we done just fine without them. seems like there is going to be some kind problems with them we don`t even know about yet why chance it lets leave it alone. maybe our commisoners need some adult supervision or step down and let some one else say no wind turbines in potter county if they won`t.

Anonymous said...

"why do we need these wind turbines any way for the 70 years i have been around we done just fine without them."

Fine without them? Did you forget the $4.00 per gallon gas already?

JMHO

Anonymous said...

Let's be mature and have respect for other's research and opinions.

I am grateful that Martha has offered her research findings and resources to those of us who don't have the time or ability to research as thoroughly.

I am also grateful the energy corporations and their local partners have presented their perspective.

Respect is the word.
Respect for each other's opinion.
Respect for each other.
Respect for county government.

Respect for the fact that this decision can change the quality of life in Potter County forever.

Anonymous said...

To JMHO who said "Did you forget the $4.00 per gallon gas already?"

Are the turbines going to power our cars? That's the only reason I was paying $4 a gallon for gas.

Wind turbines aren't going to help with that.

Anonymous said...

The main basis for initiating non-polluting energy sources and getting away from fossil fuel power is being driven by global warming and the fluctuating supply and demand of coal, natural gas , and oil. I personally think the best option is in Hydrogen power, but there doesn't seem to be an efficient way of producing the Hydrogen. Wind power and solar power are viable options, but there are a lot of possible enviromental issues arising from them.

Anonymous said...

"Are the turbines going to power our cars? That's the only reason I was paying $4 a gallon for gas."

If you drove an electric car they would. The more power, (of all types) we create at home-the less we are at the mercy of Ahmadinejad, Chavez and even the majority of the Arab countries that loath us. It's about being self sufficient.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

lets leave potter county with it`s natural beauty and not spoil it with these ugly turbines.

Anonymous said...

Face it JMHO! Electric cars are NOT the wave of the future. They are impractical power sucking turtle moving unsafe cars because they would have to be too light to be practical. In case you haven't noticed, electricity is not cheap either and with electric cars on the road, it wouldn't be long before the electric companies were sucking the life out of us like the oil companies do. The key is moderation. Everyone just needs to moderate and conserve and STOP WASTING!

Anonymous said...

I'm telling you Wind Turbines are not the answer for us here in this part of the country! Natural Gas fueled cars are the way to go around here! We have an abundance of it. It's cheaper than gasoline, we won't be sending 700 billion dollars to those that want to see dissolved as a nation, and you get government refunds on it. But I'm sorry... I'm thinking logically' how stupid of me.

Anonymous said...

We don't HAVE to purchase oil from overseas. We have plenty in this country but for some reason our "elected" politicians refuse to allow off shore drilling for our country. Can anyone say "kickbacks"?

Anonymous said...

Let's here it...no threat to public safety, or beauty.
No turbines in Potter County.
Good work Martha.

Turbines do not save us on the need for one ounce of oil.

Anonymous said...

Nat.gas powered cars is a wave of the future and a darn good idea.We have it,but heaven forbid we disturb anything to get it.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Martha for all your research!!
The negative responses to your research are never backed up by any proven documents. The reason for this is: there aren't any documents proving wind turbines are not a risk to people who have these monsters placed to close to their homes.
The negative responses are from a couple of people posting many times, and almost always from someone who intends to make money at all our expense with no concern for health, safety, and welfare of their neighbors.
Remember this famous saying: "Money is the root to all evil".

Anonymous said...

Maybe Martha and her friend should live in Russia for a little while to see what those people live like!!!

Anonymous said...

The only reason that natural gas is cheaper than gasoline is that it isn't used to power cars. I'm certain that if it does become one of themeans to power a car the price will go up a lot. I know that you can hook up a compressor to your home gas supply, but I get some outrageous gas bills as it is...i can't imagine adding to that to fuel a vehicle. I think that horse and buggy is the only way to go.

Anonymous said...

if any one has seen a wind turbine standing high above the trees and don`t think it is ugly and out place then they really don`t appreciate the beauty of our hills and forest. take them windmills some place where there is no beauty in the hills or forest like to a old coal strip mine they will blend right in and the people will never pay any attention to them. keep the windmills out of potter county. for the few who want them there only consern is money in there pockets. look around you can tell who they are

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Maybe Martha and her friend should live in Russia for a little while to see what those people live like!!!

I say:
Why would anybody make such a comment.
Are you suggesting that by trying to protect our homes, lives, happiness, future and family from wind turbines that we need to be compared to a communist country. I can't help what people in Russia live like, but it will do no good to bring our County to their level, be it good or bad.

Anonymous said...

You folks are too late and are all wasting your time complaining. The county and township ordinances are in place and we are going to put up as many turbiunes as we can legally. If you don't like looking at them, then take a different road. I am tired of you people that have no property complaining about what the people that do have land a re going to do with it,

Anonymous said...

I really does not matter what the commissioners do as far as regulating wind turbines...the townships can and will make it possible for them to be in Potter County!

And to this remark:
"The negative responses are from a couple of people posting many times, and almost always from someone who intends to make money at all our expense with no concern for health, safety, and welfare of their neighbors."

"Remember this famous saying: "Money is the root to all evil"."

Try again because I do not have a lease and I will not make any money from the turbines, just like the out-of-towners...I make no money from them either!

BUT...probable you do!

Anonymous said...

just because you have some land you should not forget what makes potter county beautiful. flatlanders buy up land in potter county all the time they don`t care about our beautiful county is that what your are or just a native who don`t give a shi- you must fit into 1 of the above.

Anonymous said...

leave potter county alone we don`t want or need these ugly windmills take your windmills some place else leave us alone we have done just fine with out them for 84 years i have been around.

Anonymous said...

"J. Hoopes"

It's not just about you Jim.
It's about having them all over the County,
It's about impacting your neighbors,
It's about the govenment tax breaks that make them attractive

I'm all for having them in one spot, have them north of Rt 6, with safe setbacks. It would be a good attraction to have them on your farmette.

However, your adversarial methods have forced the County to step in and protect the people.

As far as I know the world does not revolve around Jim Hoopes.

Anonymous said...

Yes we have a lot of oil and natural gas in our country. I am for importing for as long as the other countries can supply it. Then when they run out.....YES, WE STILL HAVE LOTS OF IT!

Anonymous said...

maybe Jim Hoopes should find a new place to live. potter county does not need or want his kind around he is not that important. pack up and move on J Hoopes. take some wind mills with you and make some new friends. good luck

Anonymous said...

Jimmy you got something going here keep up the good work and we will hopefully not have any windmills or Hoopes type people in potter county.

Anonymous said...

if we in potter county can not stop the windmills from coming we need to get Larry the cable guy in here he can < GET ER DONE > for us

Anonymous said...

"maybe Jim Hoopes should find a new place to live. potter county does not need or want his kind around he is not that important. pack up and move on J Hoopes. take some wind mills with you and make some new friends. good luck"

Now what kind of silly post is that? Anon, I'm sure if you have about 1,000 acres of farmland for sale, Jim may be interested in moving. He owns lots of land and pays lots of property tax. I'm just guessing but you probably live in an apartment or small house, own almost no land and pay very little in real estate tax. You or Jim. Which type of person do you think we need more of?

JMHO

Anonymous said...

YYAAAYYY for wind turbines!!! Bring them on. They will bring jobs manufacturing the parts and materials for them all over the world not just in Potter County. They will produce clean energy. Who cares about the dark skies. People say that global warming is happening and I think thats a lie. I think these will be a wonderful thing and anticipate their arrival!!!

Anonymous said...

What looks worse? Wind turbines or the shacks and junk yards some people call home. Check out Rt. 44
North in Ceres, PA. Poluting the Oswayo with run off from autos they rip apart to sell. Yes, I called DEP and they said the family is trying to clean it up! That was 3 years ago. So, to hell with worrying about polution from wells or turbines, DEP does not.

Anonymous said...

Good luck with your plan Jim.Hoping all goes well and it spreads across the county.It's your land and you should use it any way you want.It is a shame these "anti's" will probably benefit too.

Anonymous said...

sorry but i don`t live in a apartment or small house i own and operate a very successful business in potter county with employes and have done so for 40 years and i also pay a lot of taxes. but i respect our beauty in potter county an i respect the people in potter county. we do not need or want windmills just cause a few others do . lets drop this subject and move on to something more benefical to all of us

Anonymous said...

HAHA You guys leave Fiskys and Hoopsy alone. These guys are just trying to make a living and ARE!!! They aren't whining like all the telecomm people in the county who were way over paid to begin with and are now complaining about there being no jobs. They don't want anyone else to succeed if they aren't! Yeah the answer is always more gov't regs from DEP and such. What a joke!

Anonymous said...

You go Jim!

And to the poster that stated... "maybe Jim Hoopes should find a new place to live. potter county does not need or want his kind around he is not that important. pack up and move on J Hoopes."...

Why don't you be brave enough to SIGN YOUR POST?
I'll tell you why, it is easy to say whatever you want to whomever you want when you can hide! Now what kind of person is that?!
The kind we do not need or want in Potter County is what I say!

And just what is Jim's kind?
A hard working family man, that is what I have seen for years.

He has a beautiful and very productive farm in the Ulysses area, not many can say that now can they?

Just glad Ulysses Twp. supers have a backbone that is more than I can say for the "dream team of 3" that are bending to a few "SGC" whine asses!

I keep reading how beautiful Potter County is...well it is beautiful because of property owners like Jim & Sandy Hoopes.

Maybe you should thank them for keeping such a nice looking farm instead of treating them with such disrespect.

Anonymous said...

Now the wind industry wants the tax credits refundable for cash

Excerpt
WIND ENERGY WEEKLY, Vol. 27, #1316 21 November,2008, published by the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA).

Vol. 27, #1316

21 November 2008

A PTC FIX WILL HELP, BUT PROJECTS
TO GET MORE SCRUTINY FROM LENDERS: PANEL

Tweaks in the federal wind production tax credit (PTC) can help the wind industry surge ahead through the financial challenges affecting the entire economy,
which will cause projects to be more closely scrutinized by lenders, said experts at the AWEA Wind Energy Fall Symposium.

The capital-intensive wind industry is operating amidst a worldwide credit crunch plaguing the entire economy. In addition, the industry must deal with the
significantly lowered value of the PTC due to the economic slowdown. Many companies appetite for the credits has dramatically lessened because their
revenues are down and they are therefore paying significantly less taxes in the first place, thus deflating the wind industrys primary policy driver.

AWEA and the wind industry are currently working on a legislative tweak to the production tax credit (PTC) in order to bring back its value during such
economic slowdowns, said AWEA Senior Director of Public and Government Affairs Gregory Wetstone. One change being considered is to make the tax credits refundable—in other words allowing for the credits to be exchanged for cash. Speaking at the conference, Wetstone expressed optimism that legislation could
be crafted to return value to the PTC during sluggish economic times. The legislation could be part of an economic stimulus package, he said.

On a panel focused on finance, meanwhile, experts generally concurred that the current financial climate will cause lenders to be much more conservative in
their project financing practices.

Only the best projects will get financed, said Martin Pasqualini of CP Energy Group, LLC.

Along those lines, turbine supply loans may be harder to come by, said panelists. The issue about [turbine supply loans] is that they've always been

perceived as a risky product, said Gisela Kroess, director of global structured and project finance at Bayerische Hypo- und Vereinsbank AG. That's because, she noted the deals are often entered into so early in the development process, before power purchase agreements are signed.

Anonymous said...

We are "NEIGHBORS" of the Hoopes and support them with the wind turbines! We have been friends since the family moved here a long time ago! Our kids went to school together and remain good friends today! We welcome the turbines in our neighborhood. Like other people have said, drive around Potter County and then drive up Fox Hill and see the beautiful farm that Jim and Sandy have built. If they are not afraid of destorying the beauty of their farm--why shoud everyone care--after all it is "their" property. Keep up the good work Jim & Sandy!
The Five JTs

Anonymous said...

I have always been told, "if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say any thing at all".
My comment on Jim Hoopes is:

Anonymous said...

Our Tax Dollars at work? said...
"Now the wind industry wants the tax credits refundable for cash"

And is this to make us mad or upset?

Our government pisses away so many of our tax dollars on "ear marks" that this is no big deal as far as I am concerned.

Our government has done nothing but make one bad decision after another with our federal tax dollars. Like bail out the crooks on Wall Street after the likes of Barney Franks hid how bad it was from all the tax payers. Then all the other politicians tacked on $150 Billion in ear marks...the money is not there.

We are so blindsided by our government on their wasteful spending it is not funny.

Atleast we KNOW these tax dollars will be going for clean grean energy. I feel much better about this than I do about the auto makers begging for money to keep paying their workers unjustified wages via UAW union! That union has only offered to "suspend" not change their demands...and the list goes on and on and on....

Anonymous said...

Jim Hoopes has broken rule after rule in this County. I'd personally not trust him to be in charge of spear heading a project as large and overwhelming as this Turbine build. AES is being sued in Argentina & now has seriously difficulties in Bulgaria. Jim Hoopes plays fast and loose. He thinks he owns us lock, stock & barrel.

We must stand tall against the turbines or Potter County, as we love it, will just not exist.
It'll be sleeping next to some old
long gone barn.

Anonymous said...

"Jim Hoopes has broken rule after rule in this County"

Would you care to enlighten us by stating FACTS and PROOF or are you just blowin smoke?

Anybody in business today is not perfect and everyone in business today has their hands full keeping up on all the do's and don'ts as far as State and Federal regulations.
Do you own and operate your own business?
If you work for someone else they have all the headaches of compliance.

"Jim Hoopes plays fast and loose. He thinks he owns us lock, stock & barrel."

Jim Hoopes owns his OWN land...he wants wind turbines on HIS land, if you do not want them on YOUR land then don't sign a lease with AES!
I do not feel he thinks he owns Potter County, the pieces of it that he does own he has paid for and pays taxes on annually!