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Thursday, December 25, 2008

New Documants Filed In Lawsuit Over Wind Farm Noise

Wind experts duped local officials,

Blue Knob couple’s lawsuit claims

By KATHY MELLOTT
The Tribune-Democrat

HOLLIDAYSBURG — New documents filed in an ongoing civil lawsuit by a Portage-area couple against the Allegheny Ridge Wind Farm say that wind energy experts duped local officials into believing the turbine sound was insignificant.

Todd and Jill Stull of the Blue Knob area say that developer Gamesa Energy USA and owner Babcock & Brown misled local officials by supporting development of an ordinance addressing higher noise levels.

The Stulls filed an amended suit Tuesday. The ordinance establishes a maximum sound level of 45 decibels and does not address the lower frequency noises, including turbine vibration that is said to cause health and other problems suffered by the Stulls. More...

10 comments :

Anonymous said...

In this article it states:

The Stulls said the turbines have had a significantly negative impact on their sleep, health, quality of life and enjoyment of their 100-acre property purchased in 1992.

They describe the sound from the equipment as a “whooshing” and “screeching.’’

Lammers told officials the windmill noise would be equivalent to a refrigerator.

This poster says:
The "quite as a refrigerator" comment is a standard misleading statment made by the wind companys. In reality, a wind turbine, 428' high with a 250' dia. rotor, will affect peoples lives that are forced to live to close to them.

Anonymous said...

The world is asking for a greener and cleaner enviornment. well in order for a step to be taken is renwable energy. if you guys want to pay outragous energy bills the rest of your life then so be it. but some of us want lower bills. and a step to that is windmills. so what if they make noise. cars that drive up and down the street make just as much noise as a wind turbine. and you cant stop cars from driving down the road. i get awaked by noise in the middle of the night all the time and i dont complain. its different if you live in the country and dont want your property to have a wind turbine. but if you live in a town where you wont even see one. why complain. you have the choice of having one on your property or not. they cant force one on you. the view of the landscape is still going to be there. it will just have an energy source there. personally from my point of perspective, i think windmills are cool looking. just how massive they can be and what they are capable of.
PRAISE THE LORD FOR WIND TURBINES.

Anonymous said...

To the person who wrote "If you guys want to pay outragous energy bills the rest of your life then so be it, but some of us want lower bills, and a step to that is windmills."

Trust me, my friend, your energy bills will not be reduced! To the contrary, they will skyrocket!!

Sadly, you're falling for the deceptive sales pitch perpetrated by all wind developers.

Remember, these are Giant Industrial Wind Turbines, not "windmills" -
so tread lightly as you walk that path to "greener" pastures. There are many traps along the way.

Praise the Lawd Indeed!!!

Anonymous said...

The price of electricity, oil, and natural gas is not going to go down no matter what we do in America because the big corporations are never going to let the price go down...that is not the way our economy is designed and it isn't the way that companies stay in business. They will always fluctuate the production to make it look like there is a shortage so they can manipulate the prices and make more money. There will come a day whaen the whole nations economy hits a total crash worse than the great depression and it is going to be brought about by the "fat cats" that are running our governmetn catering to all of the big corporations wishes.

Anonymous said...

One poster says:

"so what if they make noise"
I say:
You clearly do not have a wind turbine proposed close to your home. If you did you would not be saying this. You clearly do not understand any of the issues because you feel they will help lower your electric bill and they will not. As a matter of fact, your bills will go higher, because it cost more to generate wind power electric. Also the more turbines that are added to the grid, the more carbon burning electric plants need to be built because of the unreliability of the wind. In other words your entire post shows just how little you know about wind power. Before you post you should learn the facts. Wind power only is built because of tax subsidies. They can not and do not pay for themselves.
There is no good reason for wind turbines. THERE IS JUST NO GOOD REASON AT ALL!!!!

Anonymous said...

"There is no good reason for wind turbines. THERE IS JUST NO GOOD REASON AT ALL!!!!"

Maybe you should do some research as well...some small towns and businesses are running on the energy produced by wind turbines.
It might not be an entire city...but atleast it is a start!

Anonymous said...

One town, not towns. Rockport, Missouri.

Cant find a business with a wind turbine in it's parking lot. You are likely confusing the Tax Swap Scheme these create, with actually "running on" energy poduced by wind turbines.

Pssst....NPR lies....

Heres what some of the actuall people from Rockport are saying, from the blog on Wired Science.


We live close to the wind towers and the noise factor is a like
a jet off in the distance, but if the wind is stronger the noise is louder. We personally did not want them in our area but it is still a little quieter than living in town. The sad thing is most people in Rock Port thought once the wind towers were up and running our utility bills would be lowered! The cost of buying the energy is lower now with the towers but I doubt that savings will be passed on. Too bad for all those that supported this venture thinking it would help lower our community's cost of living. The land owners do however receive a yearly stipend of $5000.00 per tower on thier property. At least someone got their share.

Posted by: resident of Rock Port | May 13, 2008 12:20:50 PM



Just another fraud.Some more welfare for the already fat welfare farmers.
What a complete and utter joke.
Not one dollar of local labor,concrete,ect.Yeah we shold be so proud. The lazy farmers,John Deere and General Electric cleaned up,while the citizens get left to pay the bill. The rich have been doing it to the poor since the dawn of time.

Posted by: Tax payer | Aug 7, 2008 6:04:44 AM

This community is full of political Vultures,Hipocrates,Farmers on welfare and crooks and thieves who hide behind the wonderful camoflauge of organized religion and community betterment. The wind towers have done nothing to help the community,they have dropped property value and are benefiting the few not the many. In fact our electric rates are now higher.If the residents of Rock Port aren't smart enough to see what is going on then they deserve everything they get.

Posted by: RP Resident | Aug 7, 2008 6:17:05 AM

Anonymous said...

"It might not be an entire city...but atleast it is a start!"

This is another unresearched comment by the very poster that says "do some reasearch".

There are no cities or even towns run on wind power alone. The turbines, at times, add electric to the grid but because the wind does not blow steady it has to be backed up by conventional power, 24/7. Once again, read this slow, NO PLACE OR TOWN RUNS ON WIND POWER ALONE!!!.
Once again,There is no good reason for wind turbines. THERE IS JUST NO GOOD REASON AT ALL!!!!"

Anonymous said...

"Cant find a business with a wind turbine in it's parking lot."

Did not SAY there were turbines in the parking lots, did I?

"Just another fraud.Some more welfare for the already fat welfare farmers."..."Some more welfare for the already fat welfare farmers.What a complete and utter joke."..."We personally did not want them in our area"

"The sad thing is most people in Rock Port THOUGHT once the wind towers were up and running our utility bills would be lowered! The cost of buying the energy is lower now with the towers but I DOUBT that savings will be passed on"... "The land owners do however receive a yearly stipend of $5000.00 per tower on thier property. At least someone got their share."..."are benefiting the few not the many"

Boy what a mouth full!!

Lets see...these posts are from pissed off people that did not own enough land to have a turbine on THEIR land so lets just blow, blow, blow!

Welfare Fat Farmers? What the hell is that?! Oh that is right, men and women and entire families that work from sun up to sun down 24/7 to make a living off their land...not like some that truely are on welfare that do nothing but hold their hand out?

Did I get that right or did I miss something?

"Once again, read this slow"...

I do not share your views on the turbines, so reading your post in all CAPS & SLOW will not change my point of view, "K"?

Anonymous said...

To the Rockport expert

You seem to know nothing about the Rockport debacle, just knee jerk assumptions.

But you seem to be an expert in businnesses and towns, plural, that are running on energy produced by wind turbines.

Please tell us who these towns and businessess are from your research.

Try to avoid vague statements, the repeating of the talking points of the wind salesman and snipets from NPR.

Just the names of the businesses and towns please.

This is part of the problem, people throw out platitudes that sound good, ie: more jobs, lower electric bills, green house gases, foreign oil, import export, greener energy, dirty coal, nuclear plant meltdown, energy independence etc.....

All great ideas in the ethereal grand scheme of things.

But when you pull back the skin, you see what really drives this whole scheme.

It boggles the mind there are still a few naive people who believe that governments and big business are here to help them and have their best interest in mind.


Don't forget the names of those towns and businesses now...