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Friday, December 5, 2008

Potter Commissioners Welcome Input Before Vote

Wind Ordinance Scheduled For Dec. 18 Vote

December 5th, 2008

The Potter County Commissioners have scheduled adoption of a countywide wind energy ordinance for Thursday, Dec. 18, at 11 am. Public input is welcome both before and during that meeting, to be held at the F. W. Gunzburger County Office Building.

Jim Hoopes

At the commissioners’ business meeting on Thursday, the board heard from Jim Hoopes, a Ulysses Township farmer who has been in the forefront of the effort to bring industrial wind turbines to northern Potter County. He contended that the setbacks and sound restrictions proposed in the amendment to the Potter County Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance were too restrictive.

Anyone who wishes to comment on the draft ordinance can contact the commissioners by email at these addresses:

Copies of the proposed ordinance are available at the Commissioners Office (274-8290) or by accessing the county’s website, www.pottercountypa.net (Internet Explorer browser required). Copies can also be obtained electronically by sending an email to lweakland@pottercountypa.net.

54 comments :

Rep.Chick said...

My thoughts on the noise portion of their ordinance...

SOUND
(A) Audible sound from a wind turbine generator and/or wind energy facility, or addition of a wind turbine generator to an existing wind energy facility, shall not exceed 5 dB above ambient or background sound as measured at the boundary line of any non-participating property owner. The 5 dB limit shall apply to both A-weighting (dBA) and C-weighting (dBC).

After reading information about sound levels, I still for the life of me do not get the dream teams logic of 5db being included in this ordinance!

I read the information below and then compaired it to my every day interaction with noise and most of us all ready tolerate a higher level then they are allowing for an industry in Potter County?!

I do not feel the noise from a wind turbine is loud as I have experienced them first hand.
I have been within 500 feet of them and the leaves rustling in the breeze made more noise. I do not feel a noise regulation on any industry in Potter County should be placed on the books.
There are a hell of a lot of businesses located in Potter County that all ready exceed the 5db allowed in this ordinance.

What is a Decibel (dB)?
A dB or Decibel is a logarithmic unit of measure of the ratio between two numbers.

dB and Power (20dB = 100x)
When talking about power, 3dB represents a ratio of two to one or a doubling of power.

Thus, a gain of 10dB would represent a ratio of ten to one for power - so 10 dB be 10 times the power

A 40dB power gain would be 10,000 times the power.
dB and Voltage gain (20dB = 10x)
When talking about voltage, 6dB represents a ratio of two to one or a doubling of voltage.

20dB would represent a ratio of ten to one for voltage - so 20 dB would be 10 times the voltage.

A 40dB voltage gain would be 100 times the voltage.
dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level) (20dB = 10x)

The term “SPL” stands for sound pressure level. SPL measures are taken with respect to the minimum threshold for human hearing.

A 20 dB difference in SPL represents a ratio of ten-to-one in sound pressure.

Thus, a 40dB SPL would be a sound pressure level that is 100 times greater than the sound pressure level of the quietest sound that normal human hearing can detect.
Perception of Loudness (20dB = 4x)
Interestingly, our perception of loudness is not the same as sound pressure level.

Although the actual formulae
is somewhat complex, as a rough rule of thumb, an increase of 10db SPL is perceived to be approximately twice as loud.

Thus a 20 Db gain would seem to be about 4 times as loud.

And a 40 Db gain would seem to be about 16 times as loud.

dB SPL in Real Life

Threshold of hearing;
0 ..... Don’t hear anything

Broadcast studio interior or rustling leaves;
10 ... 1/32nd as loud as conversation

Quiet house interior or rural nighttime;
20 .... 1/16th as loud

Quiet office interior or watch ticking;
30 .... 1/8th as loud

Quiet rural area or small theater;
40 .... 1/4th as loud


It is not the fact that I feel the wind turbines are noisy it is the fact that they are placing a noise ordinance on the books in Potter County.

brussel sprout said...

Are and why?

Anonymous said...

"Are and why?"

what?

brussel sprout said...

They are putting it on the books, and why are they doing that??? It goes for all business.

We are talking about the actions of one person, but three people.

John Q Public said...

So the question is....since this ordinance is for ALL businesses in Potter County, either new or existing, there is a possibility of it chasing current industry out of the county. Is the new ordinance going to be enforced against all businesses and not just the wind farms?

Anonymous said...

Here we go again!!!!! You people only want the noise ord. on wind turbines......If you want dead silence and dark skys good luck with the economy and future of Potter County.

Rep.Chick said...

"Is the new ordinance going to be enforced against all businesses and not just the wind farms?"

It will start out as it is ment to be, for the wind turbine industry. But once on the books who knows what will happen with it!

That is my point...

Anonymous said...

Basically it is about zoning.. If you live in town you expect to hear the sounds of people bustling about, your choice. If you live near the highway then you expect to have the sounds of traffic drive by, your choice.. If you live by the railroad tracks then you expect to hear the rumbles of the train ,your choice, if you live by an industrial park then you expect noises from the industrial progress, your choice.. But if you live in the country, miles and miles from town, by choice, you live away from the bustle, away from the rumble, away from the industrial noices.

There must be respect as to why people live where they do..

Having a new industry move in next door wouldn't effect those who live near the existing industrial park, factory, or those with hearing problems due to years of working on heavy equipment. But a county wide industry which destroys the peace and quiet of the countryside as well as every breathtaking vista in the county needs to be taken seriously.

A countryside filled with industrial windmills would alter this county's appearance forever and change the quality of life of many of it's residences.

It's an important decision and I appreciate the depth of the commissioners study.

MAC said...

As I understand it, this ordinance is specific to wind turbines and applies to no other industry. Due to the unique nature of industial wind farms (many turbines built over an area far greater than a single industrial-use building), guidelines for wind farm development are crucial and must include provisions to protect nearby residences from noise, particularly at night. If this ordinance does set a precedent that could be applied to future industrial development where noise becomes a quailty of life issue for those living nearby, then good. Industrial noise should be regulated, regardless of the source.

The degree to which wind turbine noise is heard is determined by temperature, humidity, geography, and ground level ambient noise. Night time noise levels are of particular concern as it can affect sleep for those living nearby. Rural communities are typically very quiet at night-time, much more quiet than urban or suburban settings. It is also not unusual for night-time winds at ground level to be quieter than winds aloft. Without ground-level ambient noise, turbine noise is louder at night than during the day. The World Health Organization recommends that the level of continuous night-time noise outside of a dwelling be 45 dB or less, and INSIDE bedrooms, night-time noise should be 30 dB or less. These thresholds should be even lower if there is a low-frequency component or impulsive quality to the sound, as there is for wind turbines. Higher levels of noise disturb sleep and produce a host of effects on health, well-being, and day-time productivity.

With all the wide open space in this country, there has never been any need to construct this kind of industrial equipment close to residential communities. The lack of vision by our federal and state legistrators to design a thoughtful, community-based energy policy with no regulatory oversight has left rural American prey to unscrupulous corporations, moving quickly to take advantage of tax credits and generous depreciation allowances, interested only in making money for themselves and their stockholders. Wind corporations and those who represent them have shown little to no concern for the quality of life issues - they are only looking to make a buck and if people in rural Pennsylvania are harmed, well that's just too bad for them. If our local politicians had any vision themselves, they would take advantage of a community approach to wind develop, identify sites that are far enough from homes to cause no ill effects, and require developers to make license payments to everyone in the community.

MAC said...

... that last paragraph has so many typing errors, I feel compelled to re-post it.

With all the wide open space in this country, there has never been any need to construct this kind of industrial equipment close to residential communities. The lack of vision by our federal and state legislators to design a thoughtful, community-based energy policy that includes regulatory oversight has left rural America prey to unscrupulous corporations, moving quickly to take advantage of federal tax credits and generous depreciation allowances, interested only in making money for themselves and their stockholders. Wind corporations and those who represent them have shown little to no concern for the quality of life issues - they are only looking to make a buck and if people in rural Pennsylvania are harmed, well that's just too bad for them. If our local politicians had any vision themselves, they would take advantage of a community approach to wind develop, identify sites that are far enough from homes to cause no ill effects, and require developers to make license payments to everyone in the community.

MAC said...

An article of interest.
* Calculation Of Ice Throw Distances For Wachusett Wind Power Site
* Basic physic calculations of ice throws
* Rutgers University, The State University of New Jersey
Department of Physics and Astronomy

http://www.allianceformeredith.org/pdf/BasicPhysicsCalculationsOfIceThrowsMatilsky.pdf

Based on a turbine hub height of 230 feet with a blade radius of 130 feet, calculated distance for ice throw is more than 1/2 mile.

Hub heights for wind farm projects in Ulysses Township and Allegany Township NY are approximately 278 feet and 355 feet with blade radius of at least 150 feet. Projectiles from turbines this tall will be even greater.

Based on this information, how can anyone object to the County's setback of 1750 feet? It's unfortunate they backed off their original provision of 2000 feet.

Anonymous said...

Mac, you said a mouthful. It is all correct. I can't add much to it. Agree 100%

Anonymous said...

If the turbines are as quiet as some say, than the noise limit in the proposed ordinance will never come into play. If the turbines are noisy, than the county has protected the peoples health ,saftey, and welfare by including the noise limit in the ordinance. It seems to me, the truth will prevail.
No noise, no issue. With noise, no turbine.

Anonymous said...

The wind turbine ordinance is to regulate and direct the proper placement of wind turbines only, thus "wind turbine ordinance". Any interpetation that it will grandfather in existing industries or regulate a different industry is just not so. Here it is again,
"wind turbine ordinance." What part don't you understand?

MAC said...

Something new I just found. Vestas policy on Noise from Wind Turbines. Vestas is a leading manufacturer of wind turbines, based in Denmark. There noise policy is 100% aligned with the County's noise limit of 5 dB above ambient sound.

Here's an extract from their policy statement:

Vestas recommends Relative Noise Limits [see definition below] that take into account local background noise levels (where new wind turbines are sited near existing ones, already present turbine noise should not be calculated as part of the background noise). Vestas believes this type of regulation is the most effective and flexible, in that it ensures minimal noise disturbance for wind turbine neighbours while allowing turbines to be located in relatively noisy areas (areas with industry or roads, for example) that are rich in wind resources. Such areas are also often close to existing electrical grids, which can minimize the cost of connecting wind turbines to the grid.

Vestas also recommends that governments supplement relative noise limits with a low absolute maximum limit in areas of very low background noise (e.g. quiet countryside), which ensures minimal noise disturbance for turbine neighbours also in these places.

• Relative Noise Limits: turbine noise emission must not exceed the level of background noise (both turbine and background noise are measured as a function of wind speed); such limits are often supplemented with a low absolute maximum noise limit
to cover those situations in which turbines are located in areas of very low background noise.

Anonymous said...

Haven't you anti wind power people been aware of what has been going on in this country? Even Obama wants wind energy. Do you think a small group of people will stop what the most powerful person supports? Get you heads out of the ground!!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder how big the chunks of ice can get that will come off the turbine blades?

Rep.Chick said...

" "wind turbine ordinance." What part don't you understand?"

Apparently more than you.

Once ANY industrial restriction is placed on the books of ANY county it CAN be cited as a referance and USED in any court of law...that IS the way it is!

brussel sprout said...

As big as the imagination!

Some say they are like flying saucers with bright red lights reflecting off the turbine tops as they hover over towns sending people scrambling to take cover.

Its quite a sight for all star gazers.

Just ask the preacher who is going to build the 600 unit hotel to accomodate the tourism coming in to catch a glimpse.

I'm hoping someone catches it on video. We need more of that stuff on here.

Anonymous said...

"Basically it is about zoning.."

Potter County does not have Zoning, that will be the next big waste of tax payers dollars.

I wonder just how many 10's of thousands of dollars the dream team of three will piss away on expert studies and information on this one?!

Anonymous said...

talking about sound from the blades what about the farm equipment plowing the field think they are louder then the blades and people are okay with the sound of a farmer do his work to make ends meet. l

Mr. Negative said...

The farmers aren't plowing their fields 24/7 , 365 days a year. There are definitely things that are much louder than a wind turbine, but I believe that the problem that people are supposedly experiencing has more to do with the constant "droning" sound that the bladed make.

MAC said...

http://www.windaction.org/news/19035

Wind turbine's deadly ice shower

December 1, 2008 by Kirsten Beacock in The Evening Telegraph

Residents were left fearing for their safety after shards of melting ice fell on homes and gardens from the blades of a giant wind turbine.

For about four hours people in King's Dyke, Whittlesey, had to take cover as huge lumps - some two feet long - showered them from the 80 metre high tower on Saturday morning.

Resident Peter Randall, whose son's house lies a stone's throw away from the turbine, said: "Somebody is going to get killed. There was huge lumps of ice shooting off and landing everywhere.

"No one wants to leave the house because they are frightened and worried about the ice falling.

"My son's partner is pregnant and she is now worried sick about her unborn baby."

Freezing overnight temperatures had caused the ice to form and after frantic calls to Truro-based firm Cornwall Light and Power, which owns the turbine, the £2 million machine was eventually turned off.

Maria Clark, who owns King's Dyke Karpets, based yards from the turbine, said: "It has been really frightening, the turbine has been stopping and starting all morning. The ice makes such a loud noise when it shatters we thought a bomb had gone off in the yard.

"It scared a customer away. They were in the shop when it landed and said they did not want to risk their car and ran out."

This is not the first time the turbine has courted controversy.

Last month The Evening Telegraph revealed how residents had lodged complaints with the environmental health department at Fenland District Council due to alleged noise pollution and had demanded the turbine's removal.

The huge machine, which measures 80 metres at its hub and 125 metres when one of its three blades is vertical, was put up in August.

A spokesperson for Cornwall Light & Power said: "We received a report of an ice shedding incident near our Whittlesey turbine on Saturday morning and immediately made arrangements for it to be switched off.

"The turbine will remain stopped until we have a clear understanding of what happened and any safety concerns have been fully addressed.

"Cornwall Light & Power is a reputable operator with a proven track record of generating clean electricity safely and we will act quickly to resolve this issue.

"In the meantime, any local residents who have concerns can call us directly on 01872 226930."

MP for Cambridgeshire North East Malcolm Moss said the turbine should remain closed until a new risk assessment could be made, as the problem could also have national implications.

He said: "I had no idea this turbine was going up, it came out of the blue really and I am surprised they put one so close to homes and businesses.

"I assume that a risk assessment was put with the planning application, but if it was not then a full inquiry should be undertaken."

Whittlesey councillor Ronald Speechley today said he would by lobbying the council to find out what can be done.

He said: "I have received a lot of complaints and the fact that ice has fallen off should be brought to light. This should have been thought of before they put the turbine so close to houses and the road."

MAC said...

"Haven't you anti wind power people been aware of what has been going on in this country? Even Obama wants wind energy. Do you think a small group of people will stop what the most powerful person supports? Get you heads out of the ground!!!"

First, is a mis-perception that people who express concern about wind development are anti-wind. I strongly believe it is possible to proceed with alternative energy development and keep public safety as our first priority.

Second, I seriously doubt that President-Elect Obama would agree that it's necessary for people to be harmed in the process of alternative energy exploration. The energy policies currently in place were crafted by the Bush administration, and just look at what those brilliant minds have done to American and world economies. Surely, wiser minds will prevail and federal/state energy policies will evolve to protect American citizens.

Rep.Chick said...

I guess we have the townships leadership to be thankful for on this matter.

The townships can set their sound/noise and set back restriction levels and lengths in their ordinance at what they feel will be an acceptable level.

AND, the dream team's ordinance that is too restrictive will not matter!

The county can not override the townships regulations they set in their ordinance.

Sorry Jim, the County Commissioners are dancing to the beat of a few, once again!

Guess it is time for you, Jerry and Richard to block off your land and let the PCVA convince the SGC and Star Gazer people to buy up 1,000's of acres for their tourism dollars!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone and I mean facts not guesses have any idea just how many homes will be close enough to be effected by the purposed wind turbines that are going up in the area?

Seems pretty rural of an area to be very many homes in the locations of the turbine bases.

MAC said...

"Does anyone and I mean facts not guesses have any idea just how many homes will be close enough to be effected by the purposed wind turbines that are going up in the area?
Seems pretty rural of an area to be very many homes in the locations of the turbine bases."

As I understand it, lease agreements between wind developers and landowners are private, so information on leases that have been signed is not made public. We very likely won't know exactly who will be affected until the wind developer's plans are submitted to the County Planning Commission for approval. But the people in Ulysses Township who can see surveyors at work within eyesight from their homes already know they will be affected.

Even one family being forced to experience ill effects of industrial turbines is one family too many.

MAC said...

"The townships can set their sound/noise and set back restriction levels and lengths in their ordinance at what they feel will be an acceptable level."

Township ordinances that do not take into account how far projectiles (like ice or damaged blades) can be thrown are unsafe, and supervisors who voted for these ordinances were either uninformed or intentionally placed people in harm's way. Same goes for noise levels. The World Health Organization is probably as unbiased a source we can find, and they recommend that noise within a bedroom at night not exceed 30dB. Again, supervisors who voted for ordinances with higher noise levels are either uninformed or intentionally placed people in harm's way.

The County's ordinance demonstrates the depth to which the Commissioners have researched wind turbine issues. It is a shame that some townships supervisors did not have the wisdom to work with the Commissioners, instead of against them.

Anonymous said...

I'm more interested in Paul Heimels research. I want to see what provoked him to respond to the tax paying farmer's letter in such a condesending manner.

Tax payers payed for the research what's the hold up?

You can be sure that
every agency involved in the drafting of the state model ordinance has been contacted by now and given Paul's "informed position" vs their "objectivity and depth of knowledge".

Its time for those who payed for the research and Paul's education to see exactly what they payed for.


There is absolutely no reason for the county residents to be at odds with each other when Paul has the answers. Where are they Paul? Where are they Susan? Where are they Chairman Doug?

Anonymous said...

I just don't understand the comment..."Guess it is time for you, Jerry and Richard to block off your land and let the PCVA convince the SGC and Star Gazer people to buy up 1,000's of acres for their tourism dollars!"

I am most grateful to large landowners who allow the public to use their land. But I don't understand why they should "block" that land because they don't approve of the current wind ordinance. This is the classic "I am going to take my ball and go home" argument. This argument never advances one cause. I too own substantial land and while still confused on this particular issue would currently label myself as slightly more against wind turbines in Potter than for. But rest assured, if I awake some morning and find a windmill on every single hillside I am not going to turn around and post my property because I didn't get my way.

This is a tough issue. My opinion is no better than anyone elses, but I implore the good landowners who have allowed public access to their lands to continue to do so no matter what happens. Another cliche......"two wrongs does not make a right".

Mark

Anonymous said...

Hey mac

Have they outlawed those industries who put roofs on houses, grocery stores, post offices; build bridges or swing sets, plants trees or anyone else where ice may accumulate during a storm.

Your on to something here.
Could it be called insurance.

Lets start another new group. We'll call ourselves cult paranoia and get a tree on the square.

Anonymous said...

"As I understand it, lease agreements between wind developers and landowners are private, so information on leases that have been signed is not made public."

The terms of the lease is private, but there is a "memorandum of lease" filed in the courthouse.

It gives notice to the world that a lease is in place on the property.

The people with leases were listed on this blog sometime ago, all from courthouse records.

Maybe jim could repost the multiple postings with the who's who , so the neighbors could see if their neighbor has signed a lease.

Anonymous said...

All it will take is one chunk of ice to be flung off of blade and kill a child to have the supervisors sued in their capacity and privately.

Their lives will change for ever.

Anonymous said...

"I am most grateful to large landowners who allow the public to use their land. But I don't understand why they should "block" that land because they don't approve of the current wind ordinance. This is the classic "I am going to take my ball and go home" argument."

Maybe this will help you out:

"The agencies have been working hard to make tourism happen here, lets work with them, and make it happen. Take an idea and throw it out there for all to consider."....

"and the money they leave here trickles down to most everyone in the county"....

EXCEPT the large farming land owners that allow these tourists to USE their PRIVATE land for their enjoyment.

Then the toursits that have used the land for FREE for snowmobiling, 4-wheeling, fishing, hiking and so on can go to the local corner diner and PAY & TIP for their meal. Can go to the local gas station and PAY to fill up and buy a soda. Can go to the local drug store and PAY for epson salt to soak the tired muscles. And the list goes on.

I would be very very surprised if the local hard working farmers continue to allow THEIR private land to be used for FREE.

Especially after the piles of shit they have eaten over the industry they would like to FINALLY place on THEIR land and make some money for themselves!

NOW...what about the GREED, what about the MONEY FOR ME!

Anonymous said...

One poster here suggested that folks should know that they will be living near an industrial area so it really doesn't matter what they think....

Fact is that these homeowners didn't just move here and the wind farm has not been built yet but we have heard from others who live quite near wind turbines and they don't like the noise.

Now, as far as Zoning is concerned, it exists to PROTECT people from undue harm or disturbance. That is to say that if you look for a home in another municipality, you probably won't see homes very close to an industrial area. There are retail districts where you would find stores and malls not residences. You don't erect new interstates right through residential districts either.

Again, I believe the resistance to zoning laws has a lot to do with certain residents NOT having the experience of living close to a major metropolitan area.

It's not an argument that you are going to win. And if you are wanting to attract new business and industry you need to have this in place now before trouble brews.

Now, it seems to me that there are a few folks that constantly want to paint Astronomers who support
Cherry Springs in a less than favorable manner.

I wonder why?

Fact is that none of us will get a red cent for our troubles.

We only seek to protect our beloved Dark Sky Park not only for us but for all of our children and our children's children etc.

Of course, if folks all along, all over the country had been using "Good Neighbor Lighting" we might not really need Cherry Springs...we might be able to open our front or back doors and see the sky quite better from home and not need to travel very far from our homes to Cherry Springs.

But, that has not been the case at all because no one thought about it much just turn on or erect another light and forget the electric bill. No need to think about what is to be lighted or the best way to use the light, just pay the bill.

Well, those days of using energy wastefully have come to an abrupt end.

Don't believe me?

Wait until you see your new electric bill in the next two years...

Now that the cap is about to come off, you will be paying more and I don't think you will like it much.

And as to being ANTI WIND?

If you listen closely you will realize that many of us are not anti wind ,rather we want to see these turbines where they do the most good, which is NOT in Potter County or Tioga.

There just must be a reason T. Boone is NOT in Potter after all and instead he is focusing on where the wind really blows all the time...

Ever hear of "Oklahoma..where the wind comes sweeping down the plain"?

That's right, the midwest from Texas on up through and including North & South Dakota.

Anonymous said...

"You don't erect new interstates right through residential districts either."

Wanna bet on this one?

Lawrenceville PA, ring any bells?
Moved the houses for the damn and highway.

brussel sprout said...

Bout a nine on the tension scale there, anonymous

Did the state cut yer funding!

MAC said...

"Have they outlawed those industries who put roofs on houses, grocery stores, post offices; build bridges or swing sets, plants trees or anyone else where ice may accumulate during a storm."

None of these stand more than 400 feet in the air and have moveable blades with tip speeds that exceed 150 miles per hour.

Anonymous said...

"NOW...what about the GREED, what about the MONEY FOR ME!"....to this poster.

I understand the arguments you make and I agree that tourism dollars may not seem to directly benefit the farmers as much as others which certainly seems like crap considering their land is being used to generate tourism dollars, but.......

I would again implore (heck, make it beg) the large landowners to not shut down their property purely out of spite for not getting an acceptable ordinance.

This is not tourism versus wind. I know many put forth the argument that wind farms will hurt tourism..maybe it will, maybe it will not. But while the farmers may be on one side of this argument it is NOT the tourism folks (whether the PCVA or other tourism based businesses) on the other side.

PCVA has intentionally stayed out of this debate.

So large farmers/landowners, it's certainly your right to post your property and I would never suggest otherwise. But please do not take your anger/disappointment out on the tourism industry as it is not the tourism industry engaged in this battle.

Mark

Anonymous said...

mark

sgc had a meeting at the court house some time ago, probably 07. At that meeting they had posted signs and spoke of how the landowners with turbine leases would post their land if the turbines went up.


I think by bringing this up and showing their concern it was sgc's way of letting the county and tourists know that sgc landowner's land would still be available to the public for hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, and recreational vehicle riding.

Sgc has never had a problem with toursim either. You could probably check with the PCVA to see where trails have been marked out on their property for the public use.

Anonymous said...

To those of us who are concerned with the impact of this or any other proposed wind farm, this is the relevant passage from the proposed ordinance:

"Visual Appearance/Power Lines

B)Wind turbines shall not be artificially lighted, except to the extent required by the Federal Aviation Administration or other applicable authority that regulates air safety. If lighting is required, the lighting alternatives and design chosen shall minimize light pollution and the disturbance to the surrounding views to the fullest extent possible. The use of plantings for eliminating visual impacts and light pollution shall be determined by the Potter County Planning Commission.

In no instance shall the lighting be permitted to intefere with the state-designated Dark Sky Skies Preserve at Cherry Springs State Park."

The supporters of Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park know full well what the above means. Those who do not support it and support the building of the AES Wind farm and other wind farms in surrounding counties, including Tioga, must prove that their Strobe topped wind turbines will not intefere with the use of Cherry Springs period.

Lighting alternatives means the use of electronic devices that will limit the damage caused by the strobe light.

I should know about the alternatives because I did the research that lead to this clause being written.

I doubt very much though if AES or other wind farm corporations will want to use this because it will require extra monies being spent.

As I said before, it is not up to us as supporters of Cherry Springs to prove, it is up to the supporters of the wind farms to prove that their strobe lights will not hinder Cherry Springs as a Dark Sky Preserve.

Anonymous said...

Yes I made an error in transription there

Anonymous said...

Atleast this gave 'mac' something to do ..

Anonymous said...

"Bout a nine on the tension scale there, anonymous...Did the state cut yer funding!"

No, I do not receive any state funding, but thanks for this comment as I did get a good laugh.

A well needed laugh I might add.

I even spelled dam wrong!

Anonymous said...

"The supporters of Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park know full well what the above means. Those who do not support it and support the building of the AES Wind farm and other wind farms in surrounding counties, including Tioga, must prove that their Strobe topped wind turbines will not intefere with the use of Cherry Springs period."

Don't forget the townships have passed or are ready to pass their own ordinance's and regulations on the wind turbine issue.

IF they do not have the same wording, and I highly doubt they will, the star gazers will be the one's hitting a nine on the ole tension scale!

Anonymous said...

Looks a bit like we may have alot of people posting here that have alot of time on their hands.. Just a thought... volunteers are needed all over

Anonymous said...

I learned my lesson with that. Never Again Volunteer Yourself(NAVY)

Anonymous said...

"Looks a bit like we may have alot of people posting here that have alot of time on their hands.."

I am at work at 10:06 am, not on my home computer, are you?

Or are you reading and posting from your place of employment?

Anonymous said...

If people bought land where there is no zoning, but want zoning that is not the problem of all those who didn't.

How has the problems of a few turned into everyones elses problems and more importantly at the expense of the county and the tax payers?


Why is this even an issue? If you bought land your not happy with, sell it. If you inherited land your not interested in, sell it.

If you are out of touch with the country you wouldn't get this, if you aren't you know that most say, "this is whats wrong with the world today" and how we have gotten to where we are.

When our elected officials speak of cutting back and wasteful spending what do you supose they are talking about.

Its simple if you bought land your not happy with move on. Why should everyone else have to all of sudden change for you.
We live here because we want to.

To change it to your way would ruin it forever for the rest of us and you didn't have to come here in the first place.

Anonymous said...

"Sgc has never had a problem with toursim either"

I should think not since Art owns a corner diner. He benefits greatly from them using someone's land for free then coming in and paying him for a meal!

Anonymous said...

"All it will take is one chunk of ice to be flung off of blade and kill a child to have the supervisors sued in their capacity and privately."

That is why all companies are made to carry insurance...accidents are just that, not planned!

What about the large sheets of ice that blow off the large towers that have gone up all over Potter County for the state's use?

Like the one located east of Ulysses on route 49, pretty damn close to homes and the highway now isn't it?

What about the set back and bright lights on that tower?

Where were all of you people when the state errected that one?

The state did not inform the tax payers about this issue...used our tax dollars for THEIR benefit and you will not fair well sueing the state, now will ya?!

Anonymous said...

"That is why all companies are made to carry insurance...accidents are just that, not planned!"


It's negligent to place a turbine any closer than the turbine is capable of throwing ice, a blade or a piece of a blade.

The throw distances are known, acting against this information will only bolster the plaintiff's case.

Jurys love to hang bureaucrats.

Your assertion that insurance would be satisfactory enough to cover a tragedy like this is beyond callous.

Anonymous said...

"Your assertion that insurance would be satisfactory enough to cover a tragedy like this is beyond callous."

Callous? I have never sued anyone for a death or anything else for that matter...there is not enough money in the world to replace ones life.

BUT, the world is full of people that just look for a reason to sue.

Unless I missed something in previous posts this is a "what if" statement. I have not read that anyone was killed or injured from a piece of ice or blade flung from a turbine.

brussel sprout said...

Please tell me the county doesn't plan on regulating "what ifs".

Checking into the "what ifs" and making sure no one is causing any more "what ifs" than anyone else. Then you can call in the "what if" experts to make sure a "what if" is a "what if".

How long can a county survive on this mentality.