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Friday, January 23, 2009

Coudersport Would Be Great Location For School

State board proposes no-frills colleges

HARRISBURG -- As college students face mounting debt, state education officials yesterday proposed a new kind of higher-education institution that would offer a "low-cost, no frills" bachelor's degree.

The schools would have no sports teams, no extracurriculars, no glittering fitness center and no plum dorm rooms.

They instead would offer an accelerated, year-round program and be somewhat similar to a community college, but they would offer four-year degrees as opposed to two-year associate degrees.

The State Board of Education's Higher Education Council unveiled the proposal yesterday as part of a three-page "white paper" that also includes nine other ideas calling for more financial aid for students, additional and expanded community colleges, and more money for state-supported schools. The proposals will be forwarded to Gov. Ed Rendell and the House and Senate for consideration. More...

51 comments :

Anonymous said...

For students and the local economy it would be a great idea, even for the student who come to other college and go home in the summer, they would have a school to travel to with in 10-20 minutes for people like Austin, Port, Coudy, Roulette etc. BUT the people in coudersport might not like the idea because with college students comes the parties, and drugs, and unknown persons in the area.

I would vote to say YES to this though. It would really bring money into the coutny/town.

Anonymous said...

Now there is an idea I can get behind.

I would be all for the boro raising my taxes, buying the big vacant building by McDonalds and donating it to get a college in Coudersport. If we could get 500 college students in town, it would be good for all business. Instructors and professors would need to buy a house etc...

JMHO

Anonymous said...

There is already a college at the GT. I remember a big write up about this unaccredited degree college. How many students are enrolled at the GT college?

Anonymous said...

I am definitely behind this idea. i think it would be great to have a college in town!! There would be glitches with having the students, but I think the town can adjust.

Anonymous said...

I had heard rumor of this last fall. Certainly would be a "boost" the county needs. Also remember our buddy "Ed" has to accept/vote this in ~can we count on him? Probably NOT!

Anonymous said...

Finally some discussion about a legit college not just an unaccredited bible college. This could bring in some real revenue for the area. I think this is a great idea. But I know there has been talk of this before I truly hope this isn't just a pipe dream.

Anonymous said...

Hey, and then the pool could stay open. haha....but its true. I don't particularly care about the pool but this idea of using the Taj for a college is, once again, a great idea. I thought Penn State looked at the idea of a branch in Coudy. What happened to that idea? And will there be the same roadblocks again? It will be interesting to see what the Tope County and Coudersport brass think. I am 110% behind this.

Anonymous said...

for the first time ever we have had 7 comments all for this.

Anonymous said...

I still have student loans I am paying for and I have been out of college a long time....I say AMEN to this idea I don't want my kids starting their new lives $100,000.00 in debt and if they can live at home and drive a while ....they will do it to get their educations. Lets push for this idea....great finally something good!

Anonymous said...

A lot of similar models attract more of the non traditional aged students. I really don't think you'd see a ton of 18-20-year-olds tearing up the town. That age group is looking for the "college experience" whereas this college coming to Coudy would be more enticing for those with other commitments (work, family, mortgage, etc.). Either way, it's a great idea.

Anonymous said...

I think this would be a GREAT idea, for the economy and also the citizens of Potter County. I am a stay at home mom, I have an associates degree and would love to continue my education but living in this small area it's to far to drive to any other colleges.
I vote YES to a college in Coudy where all of us locals can continue our education or get an education without driving hours :)

Anonymous said...

I would have LOVED the idea of a no frills college when I went. I'm 16 years out of college, now and still paying off my loans!

Anonymous said...

Best idea EVER!!!

Anonymous said...

It is a great idea. What is the projection for creating jobs? It will help the local businesses.

Anonymous said...

It would be excellent to have such an institution in Coudersport.

Anonymous said...

I would be for this idea, if it would actually be applied to Coudersport or a surrounding town. Unfortunately there is not mention of our towns in the article and we all know this would only go to serve areas around Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Philly and Erie. Just my $0.02.

Anonymous said...

don't get your hopes up the commissioners screwwed up getting a college here before

Anonymous said...

This would be excellent as long as it is an accredited college. I would love to not drive to Mansfield or Bonna's to further my education.

Anonymous said...

This is wonderful, would not only help out Coudy buy using an empty building but would help sell and or rent houses and appartments in the area.

Not only Coudy but all the samller towns around it would benefit from the revenue that will be spent at the local businesses as well.

Lets all send Ed Rendell an e-mail and request he get it done in Coudersport, PA!

Anonymous said...

Like someone mentioned-I didn't see anything written about where they would go-maybe we need to hound our reps to get Potter County on the map since this would help our local economy and would help bridge the gap for many local students for whom tradtional college is out of the question!

Anonymous said...

Hold on!!! Stop the bus!!! Didn't anyone even read the article? There is absolutely nothing in there that says anything about them even considering Coudersport. Just because there is a great big empty building in the town doesn't mean that there is the infrastructure in town to support 400 to 500 students.

Anonymous said...

I am not one to post here but I think this is a great idea. This might generate a renewed interest from business if there was something tangible in the area. As much as I want to remain positive - given that "Fast Eddie" has taken from Potter County and given to Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, etc...I wouldn't hold my breath.

In the interest of being proactive I say we start a letter writing campaign (just like what was requested for Rigas), send them to Rendell, Scarnatti, Causer, etc - whoever we need to get this to Potter County!

Don't sit and wait - When your cheese has moved - you need to look else where or get left behind.

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight... spending tax dollars on a small local college to attract 500 or so students who typically have no money to spend is a great idea, but spending the same amount of money to attract 500 tourists each week (who generally have money to spend - otherwise they wouldn't be on vacation) is a bad idea.

Let's say the average apt rent for a student is 450 a month. That's 15 bucks a night. Hmmm, most lodging establishments can charge more than 15 bucks a night to a tourist. But wait, the tourists may not be here 7 nights a week.....True but let's say the average lodging room is 50 bucks a night then we only need to get them here for 9 nights a month to break even.

When I was in college I could (and often did) get by on 2 bucks a day for food. 10 packs of ramen noodles for a buck, baby. I bet the average tourist spends 40-50 bucks a day on food when they are here. Sure the 2 bucks is a little goofy but you get the idea.

Tourists have to drive home which means they fill up their yuppie mobiles and by snacks for the trip home. College students go home to their apt and eat noodles.

Tourists stop at the local stores and buy stuff. College students have no money and may periodically drive over to walmart.

LOOK - a local college is a wonderful, great idea. You can use my tax dollars to support it. Anything that draws people to the area is good for the local economy. I don't care if it's tourists, students, amish, indians, monks, hell even bringing in prisoners has been lucrative for many a small town in our country. But I find it weird that many folks here think spending money to develop an industry that is NOT yet here is an excellent idea, but spending money to further develop an existing industry is a horrible, evil waste of money????

Anonymous said...

The tourist business has gotten way more than its fair share of handouts for small groups.Something like 20 million between the Star Gazers and the Lumber Museum.This is something that would benefit many more people and could create jobs and help renew the downtown area.

Anonymous said...

How would this create more new jobs than developing tourism. I bet there are not a lot of unemployed college professors living in Coudy. Therefore, we would likely have to fill those new jobs with people that don't currently live here. Wouldn't we want to create jobs for folks already living here.

Not everyone owns an apartment to rent to students so only those that do will benefit directly from leasing.

How does this benefit more people than development of tourism. How. Tell me how. Easy to say that but tell me how. Whether tourism or a college the jobs for people currently living are going to be the secondary jobs created by whatever industry is developed. Probably not going to be the direct jobs. It's the way economies in small towns work.

Is a college good for downtown. Absolutely. I hope one comes here, but we have one empty building do you know how many empty buildings are in other cities of PA. Our Taj doesn't give us an advantage on attracting a small college to the area no more than an empty Taj in Philly or Scranton or Pittsburgh or Erie. In fact, since these are community college type facilities they are most likely going to be located in a populous area.

So what if a lot has been already been spent on tourism. Wouldn't we develop the existing industry....the proverbial known commodity.

Would you propose that we start mining for gold in Potter county or natural gas. I would bet it would be natural gas because we already have a developed system and know the resource is here.

Ever been to Cherry Springs on a new moon weekend. Lot's more than 500 people there. All spending money during the day in good old Potter County

Mark

Anonymous said...

what we need is progress Mark I promise not to post a single thing on windmills or low wage jobs in your tourism story's if you don't drag tourism into everything else. No one minds tourism I just think most will agree it should not be the only game in town and at the expense of others earning there living in the manor in which they choose. Heck with these wonderful dark Sky's maybe they could have astronomy courses during the star party weekends and bring some big bucks.

Anonymous said...

Over 12 million spent on the stars.Talk of hundreds present on full moons and the annual summer weekend.What I see in the picture is not a living soul.There are 364 days in a year.Just how many Gazers are there the other 300 days?Lumber Museum is even worse.Tourism is fine for those that choose that route,but what about the majority that don't,and keep paying these huge bills for the few?If it is a good business it should provide for itself without constant funding.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe nothing was said about this affecting the dark skies or the extra water that would be used that opposition groups to windmills and natural gas complain about.

Anonymous said...

"Tourism is fine for those that choose that route,but what about the majority that don't,and keep paying these huge bills for the few?"

WAKE UP. This college would only provide jobs for a few directly. The jobs would come from the secondary jobs created to support the students. It's the same damn thing with a tourism. Yes only a few own a motel, but the toursits SPEND MORE MONEY AT PLACES OTHER THAN THAT MOTEL WHICH BENEFITS EVERYONE.

The Taj being used for a college will not generate any more or any less jobs than if it were a resort (I am not suggesting that building be used for a resort merely making a point).

Again, I think the college is a wonderful idea. I just am amazed that everyone "loves" this idea but crucifies equally good ideas.

You wouldn't build a ski resort in Florida and I hope you wouldn't open an orange grove in Potter County. Successful areas use the resources that they are given. The resources that we have in abundance are natural. So it seems to me we should be focusing on those resources - agriculture, recreation, and yes probably even the development of natural gas (the tree hugger in me just cringed).

And finally to "What I see in the picture is not a living soul." ARE YOU FOR REAL....... THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN DURING THE DAY. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF STARS TO LOOK AT DURING THE DAY.

Mark

Anonymous said...

One question. Why can't we have a small college town AND tourism.
Again think out of the box and think a bit 'yes I can' and a bit bigger. You all think small.
We can do it all. College =
a need for shops, book stores,
little restaurants, coffee shops,
and that's exactly what tourists also need. It gigantic.
(and add in there a pool and skating rink).

Anonymous said...

Amen.

Mark

Anonymous said...

To the poster who said there are 364 days in a year...if you're going to post info namelessly, do so with correct information. Technically, 1 Year = 365.2422 Days (search for it as I did to make this point)! I don't know where you dropped a day! In a leap year, there are 366 days...which is why you probably learned in school that there are 365.25 days a year. That's why every so often, the atomic clock is adjusted to offset the .2422 part of a day and make things even in the end.

Anonymous said...

Bad keystroke,it happens when you don't have a proof reader,but thanks for taking the job and showing us all your wisdom about the calender year!

Anonymous said...

All that money spent at CS and a new outhouse which is Locked up?
Oh yea a plastic outhouse, a one setter.
If anything like the one on the East side of the Canyon,
Go to the Bush.
Or is it what them round white things are for?

Anonymous said...

"Technically, 1 Year = 365.2422 Days (search for it as I did to make this point)"...

Rule of thumb for accounting purposes there are 365 days and 52 weeks in a year! Maybe you would like some extra interest added to your bank loans based on your research?!

Anonymous said...

For the love of pete people. stop going down the bunny trails....

Take hold of this, form an exploratory group, make some calls, get on the phone to Arline and others and try to gather some steam to see if it's even a remote possibility here.

Anonymous said...

Mark,
Will take a nite picture for you real soon.Bet the results are the same.You see,people using it leave tracks in the snow,nite or day.None in the picture.Been a while since anyone has been there for anything but the picture.
Besides,you started this rant,the subject was a college.Everyone seems to think this is something that should be persued.Kids camp too.

Anonymous said...

Dick Tracy, if it snows which its being doing a lot of lately the tracks get covered. I too think the damn college is an excellent idea and have gone out of my way to point that out in every damn post I made here. I am merely pointing out that there are equally excellent ideas that quickly get dismissed by this group and I want to know why.

Read the posts, digest the posts, think about the posts, and then if you have something to say then post it as opposed to posting before thinking. It's what intellectual debate is all about.

Resort, slave museum, university.....I am all in favor of all that brings folks (and their money) to the area.

You want a rant call me at 814-274-6773 and I'll give you a damn rant.

Mark

Anonymous said...

Call the Indians I say Casino in the Taj's

Anonymous said...

Wow, you need to chill. Take a break from the puter for a while.

Anonymous said...

To "Technically" ...who corrected me based on "Accounting Purposes"... I was just making a point that in school we learned there are 365.25 days a year....NOT 364. How would you like to be cheated a day of interest on your savings every 4 years?

I take it you're in accounting? Did you work for Adelphia too? You make it sound like there is never a February 29th. Where do you think the quarter day comes from...add 4 of them and you end up with 2/29 every 4 years.

Better yet. Stop pointing out stupid things and commenting if you don't have a fact or truth to post. What I posted was not a rumor nor a falsification, which would irritate others. It's a fact.

Anonymous said...

Wake up people!! They are never going to put any sort of scool in the mausoleum building. First of all, it's not possible to house 500 students in Cudersport and there is no public transportation. Second, the building would not be easy to heat and maintain for a "no frills" college...plain and simple, they couldn't afford it.

Anonymous said...

lots of small college towns have no public transportation!! Lots
of college buildings are NOT easy
to heat. You are just being
contrary and have not been to college and possibly not to school at all if you can't spell Coudersport. Wouldn't have picked
on your spelling, but you are soo
darn negative and ugly that I just
had to show how negative sounds constantly. Positive..be positive
and let's turn this small negative
place around..Smile before you
write, we might hear the difference.
God Bless.

Anonymous said...

Heaven forbid that I have a typo!!! I have been educated, I just get flustered and mistype things when listening to blithering posts like yours. There is nothing positive in the works here!!! Didn't you even read the main post? This is not even a plan yet, just someones brainfart in Harrisburg. The mausoleum building is selling for $8 million....the taxes and utilities are huge...there is nowhere for the students to live.....wake up and smell the Dildines!!!!! It is hard to smile when I think about all of the brainless people out there in the world that have only stars in their eyes.

Anonymous said...

What are Dildines?

Anonymous said...

"I take it you're in accounting? Did you work for Adelphia too?"...

Yep to the first question and nope to the second, never had any dealings with them!

"Better yet. Stop pointing out stupid things and commenting if you don't have a fact or truth to post"...

Did I get under your skin? If you do not like what I posted, suck it up, this is a blog, remember?!

Anonymous said...

toad brown knows all about this subject! one would think that the first order of business would be to get a college that would really want to locate in coudersport. you people are all in la la land! you can bounce this ball off any backboard you want and it will always come right back and hit you where you least expect it! cowboy up and get a life - please!!!!

Anonymous said...

Doug Morley campaigned on the promise of a college - yes he did! So if he wants it he will get the money from his campaign supporters, have paul write a story about it and let susan pray and this too will come to life!

Solomon's words for the wise said...

Never underestimate the power of prayer, or the power of the written word. Coudersport would be a great place for this type of college. I will pray about it, will you?

Anonymous said...

I'm sick of the wicked comments re: the Commissioners on this site. When once did Morley campaign on the promise of a college? Please provide proof. I went to all the debates and read all the newspaper articles and don't remember Morley promising a college.

For what's it worth though having an institution of higher education in the Ops Center is an excellent idea and hope the community rallies behind it.

Tearing each other apart will not help our community move forward; Working together will.

Anonymous said...

Jim-

i will pray about it.

while the article didn't say anything about a location, why should this area immediately disqualify itself?

we need to focus on what we have to offer in situations such as this rather than list the reasons why things wont work.