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Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Causer's Bill Would Throw Drug Users Off Welfare

New proposed legislation would require drug testing for those on public assistance

New legislation set for introduction in the state House of Representatives next week would require drug testing for those on public assistance.

State Rep. Martin Causer, R-Turtlepoint, will be a co-sponsor on legislation state Rep. Garth D. Everett, R-Lycoming, will introduce next week.

The bill is similar to legislation introduced in the 2007 session of the House, which was not acted upon.

“We have been looking at ways to tighten up the requirements for people who are getting assistance through the state welfare system,” Causer explained Tuesday. “One of the things that I think is necessary and reasonable is to do drug testing before people could access public benefits.” More...

62 comments :

Anonymous said...

Great idea, if you could get it to pass.

Anonymous said...

IT'S ABOUT TIME....just think of all the $$ that could have been saved if they did this a long time ago.

Anonymous said...

This is AWESOME. Great work Marty!! I hope it passes. Long overdue.

There was an email joke being passed around lately entitled "Urine in or your out", which asks the question "why should people who work and pay taxes have to take drug tests and the people who receive these tax benefits don't?

Anonymous said...

This is great, we have been supporting there habits for too long and it is time for it to stop, now if they would do a better job on verifying as I know of many people that get full benefits and get paid under the table too while me and my family struggle week to week with two incomes and have no insurance.

Mad Mike said...

Absolutely! This is something I've been saying for years. It is about time. I don't think this proposed bill is stringent enough but it's a start. Hope it passes!

Anonymous said...

don't forget alcohol.

Anonymous said...

YES!! You go Marty! We are behind you 1000%. I don't know about the rest of you but I've spent years watching a system that rewards how many kids you can have instead of how hard you work, it's about time!

Anonymous said...

This would be absolutely WONDERFUL but it will never pass. Too many liberals who say that the drug testing is a violation of personel rights.

Anonymous said...

I for myself would love to see this take effect, i am sorry but the area in which we all live currently have this issue right now. What is there to do to solve this problem? Make them take drug test every 6 months and even on random selections. If we are going to do this we can not have any loop wholes for them to go through. Yes it will cost money but i know everyone of you know somebody who is public assistance and do drugs."I KNOW I DO" so this will only cut the cost down in the end....


Nathan Burgett

Anonymous said...

There would be no need to raise tax's. This would cut the countries deficit in 1/2 instantly.

But there is no way Obama and his cronies will let this pass.. NO WAY NO HOW....

Anonymous said...

Great job Marty. Would be nice if all politics was for the best of the country

Anonymous said...

the public assistance program needs more than drug testing.
some of our distinguished recipients are true professionals. they know the system and they play it. they've acquired the taste of entitlement and they won't surrender it that easy.

huh. easy. that's a nice word. easy. as in easy chair. easy money. easy living. easy street.
easy does it.

I can't speak for everyone, but I for one just love to see them at the convenience stores buying lotto tickets and cigarettes.
It gives me an overwelming amount of joy.
I gives me more pleasure knowing they can sit back and bask in the summer sun. looking right at me.
right into my eyes, as I drive by.
on my way to work. on my way home.

the sad part is, the legitimate need for assistance has been tainted by others.

it's time for the system to do what it was intended to do. assist those in need and only those in need.

Anonymous said...

I agree 100% Marty. I support this and hope that it passes.

Anonymous said...

I also agree, the worry is, no free money from the working guy may lead to breaking in ad stealing it.

Anonymous said...

let's hope the system will work the way it was intended.

Anonymous said...

WAY TO GO MARTY!!
It should be one strike and you are OUT.. No second chances either.. you break this and you're done.. They should also make it manditory that they at least be out looking for a job while they receive public assistance. Granted, jobs are hard to come by lately, but looking can't hurt!!!

Anonymous said...

I hope this passes....I get so frustrated as a "working person" when I have to stand in line at the grocery store behind people using food stamps and eating better than me. Maybe this drug testing will put some tax dollars back in my pocket and I can eat as well as those people on assistance. And yes, I agree they should be required to show proof that they are seeking employment. There are jobs out there, but when they make more on public assistance, why would they even bother looking...

Anonymous said...

I completely disagree I mean do you know how hard it is to be on assistance??? Those people need the drugs just to get by. I think all of you people need to calm down and be thankful your not on assistance.

Anonymous said...

I doubt it will ever pass

T. said...

""I completely disagree I mean do you know how hard it is to be on assistance??? Those people need the drugs just to get by. I think all of you people need to calm down and be thankful your not on assistance.""

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS?? AND YES I AM YELLING. THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT CANT GET IT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSED THE SYSTEM GET ENOUGH FOR THEM ALL. THE US GOVT. IS GIVING OUT STUPID CHECKS, THAT IS WHAT THE WORKING PEOPLE CALL IT, STUPID CHECKS, SO THEY CAN SIT HOME ON THE COMPUTER ALL DAY, SURFING THE NET, AND TEXTING ON THE FREE CELL PHONE. THEN THEY GET CHECKS FOR THERE KIDS TO..

If the Gov't was smart they would offer a reward for information leading to people who abuse the system. the working people would be instantly rich, and the Deficit would cut in 1/2.

There are jobs out there, but when you can make more for sitting home on your butt doing nothing well, why the heck go get a job. the more kids you have the more money you get. Look at the Octomom, WHAT A JOKE, who the heck do you think is going to be paying the bills on that whole mess. Is sure as heck is not her...

Obama, Pelosi, Reed, And Biden will never pass this bill...

I give Causer credit, at least he is trying, and I pray it goes through, but that would make to much sense.

Obama "owes" the people who voted him into office and those people were the ones sitting home collecting a check.

GOOD LUCK MARTY !!!

Rep. Chick said...

Great work Marty, you do us proud!

I sure hope this gets passed and realize the uphill battle you will have, but thank you for continuing to look out for us hard working tax payers of PA!

You know we appreciate all your efforts, you DO look out for us!

Anonymous said...

KUDOS!!!!!!! Let's hope that this goes through!! What in the world does "Those people need the drugs to get by" mean???? I have heard it all. They need the drugs for what? To get through their day? How about getting out and trying a job like everyone else who is paying into this fund. They need far stricter restrictions like volunteer work to "earn" the funds that they get. I bet you would have a lot less people on assistance then!

Anonymous said...

It needs to be passed. I also get tired of working and seeing people abusing welfare and disability. People on disability get to have more fun than the rest of us. I see them hunting, fishing, riding 4-wheelers, etc. There is just something wrong with this picture. Doesn't disability mean "disabled" in some way, not "able" to screw the system that was created to help the truly needy. Yes, test welfare recipients for drug use.

Anonymous said...

Yes to Kudo's suggestion...Get so many community service hours for picking up trash or shoveling old peoples steps and sidewalks or picking up trash or cleaning church pews or picking up trash...get my drift. The more service hours you get, the more money you can earn...but this idea would not make being on welfare so wonderful now would it. I am all for drug testing. If you don't use, you have nothing to hide, right?

Anonymous said...

Great idea Marty! Bad part is they go to GNC and buy a $12 masking agent and pass the test anyway! Nice try though Bro!! Only works if they don't know and it's a surprise!! Brad Jones

Anonymous said...

Great idea Marty! These people spend all kinds of money on lottery tickets, bingo (they spend 50 to 100 bucks several nights a week!!) and use food stamps for soda, candy etc. I like the idea of community service for their money.

Anonymous said...

AND YOU WOULD KNOW WHERE TO GET THE MASKING AGENT AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS .....

Anonymous said...

I honestly hope it does go through. all my life i have been working and for what to see this sticker everyday KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU!!!!!. I can see if they realy need the help, but i know alot of people out there on welfare that are very capable of getting a job but are to lazy to do anything or come up with lame excuses why they don't work. I am tired of busting my but to support these incompotant idiots. I hope this goes through and maybe we can see some relief ourselves.

WORKING STUMPJUMPER said...

To the author who wrote above.
If you take their welfare away they would start breaking into peoples homes and stealing for money..
REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION!
YOU BREAK INTO MY HOME I WILL SHOOT YOUR SORRY ASS DEAD!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Working Stump jumper

Unless you live in Texas your will go to jail if you shoot someone dead for breaking into your house. But by the sounds of it you will probably end up in jail one way or another anyway.

Jean Phillippe

Anonymous said...

people, people, people.
relax ..
listen ..

some these fair citizens are not on public assistance because they need it. they're on public assistance because it was "given" to them. whether there was a need or not, it was given to them.

Don't quote me, but I think all one has to do is walk into the welfare office and ask for it.
I think it's that easy.
I know that's where I'm headed.
Hope to see you there.
we'll do lunch. chow ....

RK

Anonymous said...

I guess it is all about prospective because if I were the manager of McDonald's or working any job paying less than 60k I could see whining and being upset with people on welfare. I guess the problem is I don't see it as a great thing I feel like you still have to suffer being on welfare. You aren't going out and buying 50 dollar steaks at nice restaurant if you are on welfare. You aren't taking vacations and staying at 300 dollar a night hotels. So what if they are at the supermarket and getting their frozen diners and hamburger helper with government money. Now if I am out sometime at Ruth Chris or Delmonico's or Morton's and I see someone paying with government checks then I will agree we have a serious problem. Fact is a lot of hardworking decent people need welfare and they shouldn't be punish for the few that abuse the system.

Mr Negative said...

"Fact is a lot of hardworking decent people need welfare and they shouldn't be punish for the few that abuse the system."

If they are hardworking, decent people, then they won't mind taking a whiz in a cup to get the help they need. what really gets me is seeing an obese mother of 4 kids going through the line at the grocery store buying pop, chips, candy, and other junk food and using their food stamp card to pay for it.

Anonymous said...

well a lot of hard working decent people may or may not be around others who partake in the indulging of marijuana cigarettes and therefore may have a hard time passing a drug test which is no fault of their own.

GFDI

Anonymous said...

I love the idea of them working for their checks. The sad part is, there would probably be a whole lot of work related accidents resulting in the sueing of the government, and that will lead to entitlement to life long SSI for thousands. Remember Clinton's five years and you are off welfare...no matter what!?? What happened to that? My neighbor is still waiting for the checks to stop...not trying to get a job though.

I hope this goes through and they are able to enforce it. If the crime rate increases... throw them in jail. I hear the McKean county jail can feed an inmate for around five bucks a day. Way cheaper than food stamps.

Please don't think that I am down on all welfare... just the abusers. I realize that some people have circumstances where they have no choice. You can bet your bottom dollar that these are the folks who would gladly pee in a cup, shovel snow, pick up trash or even (GASP!) work for minimum wage to make ends meet.

As for the fatties who pump out kids and just raise them on junk to be fatties that pump out more kids,,,, Why not make those food stamp cards into something like WIC checks...Cheese, Milk, Juice, lean protein. Heck they could even toss in a few veggies and some soap.

Anonymous said...

What happens to an area like Potter County if the kick everyone off welfare??? Will there be anyone left with a job??

Anonymous said...

they don't need soap, cheese or vegetables.. well soap, yes.
but what they really need is what they lack most.
pride!
pride is the only thing that will get them out of the system.
faster than any law, regulation or test.
until pride enters the equation, we'll be stuck with all this nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Pride has nothing to do with it. The lack of intelligence to better ones situation is what they lack.

GFDI

Anonymous said...

ummm... In high school I was drug tested for my job and most of my friends "indulged", even riding around in a car for hours with people smoking pot I NEVER failed a drug test!
And, making wellies work for their checks is not a new idea. Way back when my Grandma worked for PennDot and they used to have the wellies hold the stop/slow signs and they threw a fit "it was degrading because everyone knew they were on welfare". Now we pay state workers good money and benefits and its not degrading... you know to earn a living.

Anonymous said...

I agree that there needs to be some kind of monitoring of these people who are living off of welfare. It’s become a way of life for too many. People on welfare have kids who live off of welfare, who’s kids live off of welfare. Providing an open door to a career in laziness isn’t working. There are many people that truly need this help, but it’s not something that people should be “entitled” too. I think that if you saw the amount of money a family of 5 brought home every month from welfare you would be furious. Then you could add to your anger when you saw their income tax return!!! (The word that should make you cringe there is “income.”)

If you are a drug user, alcoholic, or just riding the ride instead of looking for a job then the party needs to be over. Drug testing, help with finding work, checking into families who have spent YEARS in the welfare system is a long overdue answer to a system that has made the lazy, lazier.

I don’t see how any of these changes would effect honest people who need that help. If you aren’t abusing something then why would care if a few new rules were added??

Anonymous said...

"And You would know where to get the masking agent and how much it is"
Your an idiot! I have a CDL and have been taking drug test for years, never failed one yet and I have never used the masking agents! I was passing this info along because I hear people at work talkin about it all the time! I was just saying the wellies, and anyone else can get around the drug test,jerk!It amazes me how so many people can critize other people on this website w/o signing thier name!? Get a life!! Brad Jones

Anonymous said...

GFDI,

I have to agree, but feel that the lack of motivation is also a factor.

Anonymous said...

To poster at Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:38:00 PM EST

I sign my name every time when dishing out criticism. The problem is we need to support these people who need assistance. So what if they are getting high or having more kids to get more money from the government. I can just imagine how much any of you actually contribute in taxes a year. You give you 4 or 5k a year to the federal government and you act like your this country savior give me a break. None of you make a difference at all in fact if all of you stopped paying taxes tomorrow not a damn thing would change. So get off the back of the less fortunate most of you have probably been on welfare at one point in time in your life. For once try to help others without expecting something in return.

GFDI

Anonymous said...

sign your name?
GFDI? what's that? that's not a name!
oh, I see, you used initials.
how brave of you.
with the input you just expressed above? I can't say I blame you.

BFM. there, how's that?

Anonymous said...

GFDI,
"For once try to help others without expecting something in return."

I pay my taxes and I don't ever recall waiting for uncle sam to knock on my door to say thank-you??

Helping others who don't help themselves is called "being taken advantage of!!"

Looks like you've had a few years of living off the system yourself, smoking some pot and it’s obvious that you’ve taken a liking to your easy life style. By the way, how many kids do you have??

I think I’ve figured out those initials though!!

Get
Free
Donated
Income

Signed,
WFAL (work for a living)

Anonymous said...

My life is easy but it is because I am smart and not some backwoods hick redneck. I have no kids so I am sure I pay a lot more taxes each year than any of you. I have been bless with a welfare free life so far. Hell I made enough money last year I didn't get the welfare I am sure all of you got last year. Remember the BS stimulus package that was nothing more than welfare for people who made less than 75k a year. I mean GF all I am saying is give the people on welfare a break it isn't some glamorous life style you seem to think it is. These people are stuck there for many different reasons non of which are positive. So just be thankful you are bless and make enough money you don't need the welfare GFGF.


GFDI

Anonymous said...

GFDI,

I think you may have a problem understanding how the system works.
Please, if you will, let me explain.

1.One has experienced difficulty.
2.One seeks assistance.
3.Assistance responds to plea of One and is available until One's situation improves.
4.One's situation improves.
5.One no longer requires assistance.
6.One removes self from plan
7.Plan that was once available for One is now available for another One.


Wait a minute ..

Are you the One?
Are you?
The One who claims One's situation can't improve and that One
still needs assistance.
One must really like the assistance.
This assistance has been good for One.
One who knows even if One's situation did improve, it must be because One was back to work?
Okay.. Now I get it!
One doesn't like to work!
now it all makes sense.

Anonymous said...

Yeah that would be great if it were that simple but unfortunately its not. There are many people that maybe on permanent disability many war vets would fall into this category. Should we just tell those people to piss off thanks for serving our country, but we will let you starve or have not heat this winter since you are unable to get a job. You are missing my point from the very fist time I posted it is a very simple message so you should be able to follow. Have some compassion for those less fortunate than you. The welfare program has many problems obviously and it is far from perfect but it also helps a lot of people who need it. The people who say it should be shutdown are truly ignorant. I mean GF how much of our tax dollars actually support welfare programs? I bet if they wiped out the welfare program tomorrow you wouldn't even noticed or if you did it wouldn't be life changing. It would however be life changing for a lot of people that need the welfare.

GFDI

Anonymous said...

I’m not arguing that we end welfare. It’s a matter of making sure that those who get this money aren’t smoking it, shooting it up, or just satisfied with the free ride they are getting and making no effort to better themselves. What thought process are you using when you throw out “compassion” and “veterans”,and “those that really need this help.” I’m not saying that they shouldn’t get it, but there are way to many that are abusing it! There can be room for compassion and common sense in the welfare program. I’m not going to sit here and say that I know how much of my tax dollars go into welfare. I have to ask though, if you think that someone should get assistance and they suffer from an addiction....wouldn’t that be enabling?? I don't see much compassion in that!

Don’t try to make my opinion into being cold hearted?? I am proud to say that there are many veterans in my family. Where would my compassion be for them if because they served my country, I turned a blind eye to a problem that could kill them?

Giving free money to someone addicted to crack only produces children who end up addicted to crack, who in turn get free money. You can keep spinning that wheel forever and all the while it gets bigger and bigger.

Don't remove the welfare system, remove those abusing it!!

Anonymous said...

GFDI,

Do you have a problem with comprehension?

Once again, let me explain.

Assistance is for those who "need" assistance. okay?
NEED assistance.

if a individual "needs" assistance, okay, fine, let's assist them.
if a family "needs" assistance,
sure, why not! let's help them!
and yes, soldiers. can't forget soldiers.

But!

when they no longer need the assistance, let's quit giving them assistance we now know they no longer require and maybe, just maybe, we'll have enough assistance available to assist the next individual, family and, okay, soldier, who may require the very same assistance the first individual, family and, yes, soldier required.
this will enable the assistance program to assist the very people in need of assistance because the assistance program will always assist those who "need" assistance.

if you have trouble understanding any of this, then please..
seek assistance.

Best wishes

B. Obama

Anonymous said...

GFDI

you live on a mighty high horse for someone who has some spelling issues, an ego that needs knocked down a notch or two, and a very large lack of common sense!!

Think outside of the box...works wonders!!

But, then I guess you have been blessED....

Anonymous said...

The view is actually very nice from my high horse you should check it out sometime. Yeah I don't always proof read my posts and sometimes I do make a few grammatical mistakes for that I apologize. I guess I wasn't bless I mean blessed in spelling unlike all the other areas of my life. My point is I see all these people post here and bad mouth people on welfare like it is their job. I just don't think it is fair to drug test the people who are down on their luck. I don't think they need any further stress placed upon them. I mean GF being unfortunate enough to need assistance is punishment so cut them some slack.


GFDI

Anonymous said...

Okay, I have to jump in on this bandwagon. Having read all the posts, including those posted by Mr. GFDI, our newly found local condescending, hypocrite. Having a college education I have been able to understand (because I read) that the idea is to drug test those who receive assistance so that we can remove, and hopefully help in other ways those that are abusing the system. I have then read people post, over and over again, that they agree. They have never said get rid of welfare, just how it could be a better system. Then, this is my favorite part, I have read the same regurgitated posts that have nothing to do with anything curtsey of GFDI.

Mr. GFDI,
How are you constantly arguing something that was never said?? Consistently, it has been an agreement by all to help them, and to maybe be able to give more to those that honestly need it. I have a question for you. Lady A, who has never had any history of drug use gets her assistance. Right next door to her is Lady B with a criminal history of drug usage. She gets her assistance check and it’s the same amount that Lady A gets. Lady A goes to her local grocery store and buys her groceries. She buys all that she can afford with the amount she receives. She could use more, but there’s nothing she can do. Lady B makes sure her first stop is the local bar after she gets her check Maybe she just get’s beer, and maybe some stuff that is ILLEGAL. Then this idea that you think is just awful goes into effect. Lady A isn’t going to get drug tested. Let’s be honest, the State won’t pay for that when there’s no reason too. Lady B gets a urine test, she come’s up hot. Her assistance is dramatically reduced. She is given an avenue of help with her possible addictions, and the opportunity to get back to the original amount that she had, but not while she is testing hot! Because of this Lady A now receives more assistance. Next time she goes to the store and can purchase all that she needs. Maybe she holds her head up a little bit higher.

You believe that Lady A should do without so that we don’t put Lady B under “stress?” And you have the nerve to spit out the word compassion? Lady A should have the stress of never really getting all of her groceries, but Lady B should never be given any stress?? Look up the words compassion and stress. You can’t use them in an argument when you are a hypocrite!! It’ll bite you in the ass everytime!!

Anonymous said...

GFDI seems to have a lot of concern on keeping people on Welfare. Either he or she is part of the program as an employee or a supplier to those on welfare. Which is it GFDI?

Anonymous said...

GFDI,

I would like to take this moment and quote a line from the classic movie, Grumpy Old Men.

"Do us all a favor, pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow."

Anonymous said...

"My point is I see all these people post here and bad mouth people on welfare like it is their job. I just don't think it is fair to drug test the people who are down on their luck. I don't think they need any further stress placed upon them. I mean GF being unfortunate enough to need assistance is punishment so cut them some slack."

WHAT?? Is this guy for real?? Whatever he's smoke'n....i want some!!!

Anonymous said...

Most employers have drug testing programs,including CDL liscence holders.What's good for one is good for all! How about politicians,lawyers,doctors,teachers,etc. Lots more people will be out of work!B Jones

Anonymous said...

GFDI for president!!!!

I want to live in his world where I get to do drugs, get assistance, have no stress AND get my stimulus check cause he entitled me too it!!!

Anonymous said...

GFDI,

All kidding aside.
We know and agree there is a true and valid need for public assistance.
God knows if our economy continues it's tailspin we will surely see this need increase.
we understand many who do participate in Public Assistance have no choice. we know it's the only way they could survive.
we can only imagine the pain and anguish they must go through on a day to day basis and the struggles they must endure. the struggles their children must endure.
many of them feel as though they live in a fish bowl. with eager eyes watching every move they make and, to me, this is sad.
I'm sure many had to swallow their pride to even consider the program.
but for many, it was the final solution. the only answer, their only hope.
this is what Public Assistance is for. to fill this need.
I hope you agree to these thoughts.

however, what most of us are trying to say, to you and to our government leaders, is that this system has been abused by many and those are the people, we feel, should be forced out of the system.
we want you and our leaders to know this system was to be utilized as a benefit, not a privilege.
we want you to realize that the hard working taxpayer, the voter, knows the difference between a "hand up" and a "hand out".
the more undeserving people we remove from this system, the more financial ability we will have to assist the ones in true need.

I hope that some day soon, the need for this system will be a thing of the past.
that the American Dream of prosperity, can be shared by one and all.
until then, fix the broken system.

okay?

RK

Anonymous said...

RK...Well said!

Anonymous said...

RK,

I can understand what you are saying but the majority of the people posting here are not in line with what you are saying. I wish they were that has been my goal all along to bring them around to the dark side.

GFDI

Anonymous said...

GFDI

I think we have established the fact this program is needed.
We would like the flaws to be addressed and corrected.
it's as simple as that.
now .. I think this topic has been
exhausted, so why don't we both move forward. okay?

Best wishes

RK