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Wednesday, February 4, 2009

Remembering When Lumber Was King In The Pennsylvania Wilds

Leaders Hear About $5.6 Million Expansion
At Pennsylvania Lumber Museum

About two dozen local leaders and other officials gathered at the Pennsylvania Lumber Museum on Thursday, January 22, 2009, for an update on the planned expansion and renovation project.

Larson Design Group, architectural and engineering consultant, discussed design goals and coordination with regional tourist promotion initiatives and community organizations.

Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission (PHMC) officials are eager to engage the public in the design process and will be scheduling presentations.

Final design plans should be completed by late this year and May 2010 has been targeted for construction contract bid openings. If all goes as planned, construction will be completed by June 2011.

Gov. Ed Rendell pushed for the $5.6 million project as an investment in the Pennsylvania Wilds tourist promotion initiative. He said the state grant will help to “preserve and interpret the colorful heritage of our prosperous lumber era when white pine and hemlock were the wealth of the nation.”

Barbara Franco, PHMC executive director, said additions will increase the size of the Lumber Museum by upwards of 7,000 square feet. She said work will include refurbishing the exterior and interior, including new mechanical and electrical systems.

New space will be created for exhibits, a multi-purpose room and kitchen for hosting community meetings, educational programs, other special events, and for storage of collections not on exhibit. Potter County Today

35 comments :

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me...There is no other need in the state we can use 5.6 million dollars...please...no wonder this world is so screwed up~
This makes the large corporations look like angels.

Anonymous said...

I sure hope that "local" contractors will be able to bid on this job, because they sure do need the work.

But I am sure that will be wishful thinking because anything that has to do with Harrisburg...there will be alot of red tape.

It is nice to see money flowing into Potter County, just hope some of it can pay local contractors as well...

Anonymous said...

What a complete WASTE of taxpayer money.

Anonymous said...

I have lived in Potter County for 20 years now and have NEVER been to the Lumber Museum. Is it really worth 5.6 MILLION dollars???? I can't imagine it EVER generating even a fraction of that amount of money. A "lumber museum" in the middle of no where is just not that much of a public drawing site. What a waste.

Anonymous said...

I agree, we are in the biggest crisis we have even seen. Our friends and families are facing no jobs, lost homes and a uncertain future. To spend this kind of money on the Lumber Museum is unjustified. It is a waste of our tax dollars and the money could be put into a account to help those families who can not afford health insurance but work. This Country is backwards and folks, buckle up as we are going for a long ride here. I wonder if that money was divided among all those families who live in Potter County, how much each household would get? I would use it for groceries! I mean think of the possibilities and how far that money would go if the PUBLIC could have their say on it!! This just makes me feel hopeless for our County our State and our future. While we work our tails off providing for our families, they take our tax dollars and just toss it to the wind!

Is there some way to fight this nonsense?

Anonymous said...

"Is there some way to fight this nonsense?"

Yeah, it's called voting. It seems though that every year we vote out the old scoundrels and vote in the new.

Unbelievable.

I have to get back to work and pay my taxes like the good citizen I am. I'm sure the state has some more excellent pet projects to spend it on.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

This wasteful spending makes me sick! More porkbarrel stuff. Call Causer; write Obama!!! Make your voice heard. The middle class complain among themselves, but no one bans together to fight for our rights. Complain to those we put into office. It's time they do something for the middle guy instead of "just looking pretty" all the time. We need to help those in need in Potter County, before they are all living on the street and under bridges with no food. God Bless America!!!

Anonymous said...

what a waste is right we need a lot of other items in the county then that . look at our rest area next door and we have to use out houses and they want to spend that much for that they should use thier heads and do something for every one .

Anonymous said...

I just did a bit of quick math. We are getting 7,000 square feet for 5.6 million. I know they are going to do some remodeling to the exterior of the current structure as well as the entrance to the museum. Fine. Let's throw 1.6 million at that. That leaves 4 million for 7,000 square feet. That is just over $571.00 PER SQUARE FOOT.

The last time I checked you can build a real nice house (granite counter tops, marble bathroom, whirlpool tubs, real wood trim, etc) for $125.00 per square foot.

What kind of place are they building for $571.00 PSF? My biggest problem with these grants is that a huge part of the money will go to "engineering firms, environmental impact studies", basically red tape stuff. The state almost never gets a good bang for our taxpayers dollars, and here is just another example.

I'm not bashing the volunteers or the administrators of the museum at all. I'm just convinced that the surrounding area won't get 5.6 million worth of benefit out of this project.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

Spend the money on fixing the roads in our county! If the roads are bad, we are not going to get any tourist in to see our GREAT MUSEUM! What about our communities that are loosing things like the pool in Coudersport! I just can't believe we pay high salaries for our people in the local government and no one can see how dumb this is to spend that much money on a place that is only seen for 3 days out of the year!!

Anonymous said...

Come On, Are all of you really that suprised over this type of stupidity. After all, we live in backwoods Potter County, what better way to spend 5.6 million! Let's shut down the local town pool for the children and blow our $ on bogus stuff like this!
What ever happened about making decisions for the people and our youth in this community. Instead we try to look good for others!

By the way, I think Coudersport needs another caboose down town, one just doesn't seem like enough!
Better yet, let's put a whole
*&%^%%^$* train on display!

Anonymous said...

Would you rather have the $s go to a museum in Philly or Pittsburgh?

The Coudersport Arboretum, caboose, and soon-to-arrive train car are almost entirely private efforts by business people and other individuals. Their efforts ought be commended. The Arboretum is beautiful and enhances our community.

Anonymous said...

Mixed feelings on the Lumber Museum issue. A lot of very dedicated, community minded people have been involved in that facility behind the scenes for many years. It does have a lot of potential and no one can deny that it's a great place during the Bark Peelers Convention.
In my opinion it has not been marketed very well. You don't even know there's a museum on that little noll when you drive by as a tourist on Rt. 6.
They need to make it more entertaining and interesting and then they need to promote and market it. With the Pennsylvania Wilds, the Rt. 6 Tourism Programs and other regional efforts, and with Ski Denton across the highway looking to expand, the Lumber Museum could be a bigger asset to the area.
Yes, $5.6 million is a heck of an investment. So let's make sure it is invested wisely so there is a good return on it in terms of tourists.

Anonymous said...

They may be pretty and enhance our community...but are they necessary? Why not put the money towards saving our town pool??

Anonymous said...

The only tourist that would consider stopping at a Lumber Museum in the wilderness of Potter County is Clark W. Griswold Jr.
I,myself, can't imagine how difficult it would be to convince
teenagers, on vacation, to stop there. I can, however, imagine them
convincing mom and dad to drive right by.
Let's put that money to better use.
Heck ... Give it to me! I'll put it to good use!
Hospitals, roads, the elderly etc ...

Anonymous said...

Chamber members and other individuals have been working on the Arboretum for years. I believe funds were solicited privately for the new train car, before the borough announced the pool situation was so desperate. In today's climate communities need to be dynamic. They need to work on enhancement and find solutions to challenges on many fronts. It doesn't need to be an either or situation. Don't knock down positive efforts on some endeavor, because we haven't yet found a solution for the pool.

You asked a question--is the Arboretum necessary? the answer is no, but many would argue the pool isn't necessary either. Furthermore, I want to emphasize the arboretum, although on borough property has largely been a private effort, not a governmental one.

Anonymous said...

Disgraceful waste of money. We can't afford a pool, but we can arrange to get a Lumber Museum.
I am shocked and horrified..
this is a disgrace. There are no
logical priorities left.

Anonymous said...

I agree that this is a lot of money to spend on one tourist attraction when our area is in, along with the rest of the country, a bad recession. We need to help businesses to add more jobs to the area, we need to help those on fixed income to buy much needed medication. We need to make sure our children have insurance and adults also. What we don't need is to spend much needed money on a town pool...I am so sick of hearing about this so called problem. The problem is those who use the pool want everyone else to pay for it. This town is full of residents who are on fixed incomes, who rely on County assistance and who have no children. So why should we have to pay for your kids to go to the pool. When we were children we made our own summer fun we didn't have video games, cell phones or town pools, yea I'm an oldie but I still know how to have fun without expecting someone else to pay for it. Wake up Coudersport and Potter County teach your children responsibily, teach them right from wrong, teach them to use their God given brains. There really can't be that many dumb people in this area can there???

Anonymous said...

The poster of 2:19 PM makes very good points.
I don't want to see the pool closed, but I do believe it should be self-sufficient.

Anonymous said...

5.6 million on an museum that doesn't see the number of people all year long that the attraction across the street sees on a good weekend.Put the money where it will do some good.Might be able to turn it into a great ski lodge with that kind of cash,and could still keep the lumber stuff around where there would be someone to look at it.....

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

They [Caboose & Arboretum] may be pretty and enhance our community...but are they necessary? Why not put the money towards saving our town pool??

The money should be put to what the people and businesses who donated it want it to go to.

It's their money, not yours. Form or get involved with a group to save the pool, if that's what you want done. That's what the folks who wanted the Caboose site developed did.

As far as I know they haven't received any gov't $s except for the Borough providing basic maintenance (ie. mowing) of the site that it owns.

If anything, people who want to save the pool should look to the Arboretum folks as a shining example of individuals and organizations working together for the betterment of our community.

Anonymous said...

Ive seen about as many people stop at the Arboretum since its been there. as there is at the Lumber Museum on a tuesday.

Anonymous said...

Ed just called. He's pulling the museum grant. There going to use the money to build a ping pong stadium in Philly.

Anonymous said...

If I was traveling somewhere on vacation I would not go to some lumber museum. Not even if I was bored with nothing to do. I would go on a scavenger hunt for remnants of the old ice mine before I'd look at some old time picture displays. I've been across PA and Route 6 and have never seen one billboard advertizing the Lumber Museum. No one I know of ever says, "oh, lets go to the Lumber Museum this weekend!" I like having nice stuff in Potter County and I deeply appreciate everyone's efforts in making our county attrative, but this is a dinosaur with minimal appeal.

Anonymous said...

Here's an idea close the place down,that leaves a $5.6 million bonus for Potter county

Anonymous said...

$5.6 mil-for something that not widely used or beneficial to grow our economy....now he's talking about consolidating schools - think about how far you would've wanted your kids to be on a bus this winter....5.6 plus the 90,000 being spent on a newly created post for a politician that couldn't be re-elected - what say you ---do you think perhaps Eddie is a pin-head

Anonymous said...

The Lumber Museum has 12,000 visitors annually. Which helps our local economy. It employes local people, who like their jobs.
The expansion can mean more jobs, visitors, and dollars spent in our local area. Since the start of the Museum there has been substantial amounts of salary paid to locals. The Bark Peelers Conv. hires local people licenced boiler operators for the saw mill, muscians, ect.

For those who haven't visited the Museum you should come and see the history and hard work that has gone into making this area what it is.

Anonymous said...

Boy, some of you posters can't get
things straight such as the Pool issue be longs to Coudersport and the PA Lumber Museum, although a lot of locals assist and work there, it belongs to the State.

Two different govenment entities! Oh well, just keep your hodge podge going.

Anonymous said...

sounds like the big blonde is giving her points of view. by the way if you call causer and scarnati i think they will tell you they supported this. you do not remember what was published about this a couple of years ago? like it or not this is old news.

Anonymous said...

"The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid." Art Spander

Anonymous said...

I agree this old news and like a poster much earlier on said...let's make sure these $s are spent as wisely as possible to benefit the museum and our community.

Anonymous said...

"what say you ---do you think perhaps Eddie is a pin-head"

Oh ya...BIG TIME!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous for sure... said...

"what say you ---do you think perhaps Eddie is a pin-head"

Oh ya...BIG TIME!

Saturday, February 7, 2009 8:23:00 PM EST

I agree with sentiment totally, but I wouldn't put the Lumber Museum in your targets. Tell Scarnati and Causer in the future you want this pork cut across the board. For better, or probably for worse, they and the Governor were trying to do something that benefits are legislative district. I'm all for cutting the pork, but this is nothing compared to what goes on across the state. We don't need to do something like this here, but the state government shouldn't be putting our tax $s towards any projects like this across the Commonwealth. If you just say we don't want this, the state gov't will keep on doing it, just not in the Northern Tier or in Potter County.

Anonymous said...

I think the above have said it all - who even in this county even puts in for this stuff??? Pretty sick when everyone is praying for the return of jobs and not a one of our comissioners or county workers is even looking past the end of their noses. Pretty sick!!!

Anonymous said...

Why do you think the Commissioners or county employees don't care? Everyone of them that I know care very much and are working hard to improve this county. Maybe there are some rank and file employees who are less caring, but that certainly doesn't come from the top.

Who knows who originally pushed for this grant, but I doubt it was the current county commissioners.

Please contribute something positive, instead of just complaining.