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Monday, May 4, 2009

30 More Wind Turbines Planned For Potter County

Company reveals plans to develop major, industrial wind energy generating facility

Endeavor News

Chicago company targeting Sweden, Allegany and Ulysses townships in Potter County


Plans for development of a major industrial wind energy generating facility were revealed during a recent meeting of the Allegany Township Board of Supervisors in Potter County.

A Chicago-based company, Invenergy, would like to build thirty, 400-foot-high wind turbines in Sweden, Allegany and western Ulysses townships. Company spokesman Jay Schoenberger and developer Mike Mulcahey of Port Allegany shared information with the Allegany Township board Wednesday night.

The Invenergy plan is separate from a plan announced by AES Corporation to build a 50- turbine industrial wind plant in Ulysses and Hector townships.

Invenergy is one of the largest privately owned wind developers in the U.S. Earlier this month, the company reached an agreement with GE to supply dozens of wind turbines, a deal that analysts said was a sign that "project financing is returning to (an) industry which ground to a halt with the economic downturn."

Invenergy's president and CEO, Michael Polsky, said companies such as his expect to take advantage of the tax provisions in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) passed by Congress in February.

Mulcahey
That federal stimulus plan provides a three-year Production Tax Credit (PTC) extension for wind power developers, as well as other financial incentives.

"The availability of stimulus funds paves the way for a new wave of growth for the American wind industry," said John Krenicki, president and CEO of GE Energy, the largest U.S. wind turbine supplier. "We encourage others in the wind industry to follow Invenergy's example and move forward with their plans to develop wind (resources)."

Following adoption of countywide regulations by Commissioners Doug Morley and Paul Heimel • Commissioner Susan Kefover dissented • wind developers have been focusing their attention on township governments. They hope to persuade township supervisors to approve less restrictive standards so that construction of the turbines can proceed without meeting the county's regulations.

Wind developers have zeroed in on the Potter County townships of Ulysses, Hector, Homer, Hebron, Eulalia, Sweden and Allegany.

Much of the debate over the past two years has focused on how far wind turbines should be set back from neighboring residences, and the amount of noise generated by the turbines that should be permissible beyond the participating land Schoenberger owner's borders. Article republished courtesy Endeavor News

43 comments :

Anonymous said...

Thanks President Obama and Congress for picking industrial wind turbines as a winner in the energy market. Who knows if it really is or not? Probably not, if you do any research on it...without subsidies, tax breaks, gov't mandates, etc...it doesn't make much sense. Sounds a lot like the ethanol debacle? Yes it does. Too bad most township supervisors haven't done more research on this issue.

I don't know if they're coming to Potter County or not, but I hope Townships take a reasonable approach as the Commissioners did and keep industrial wind turbines some distance from people's homes.

Anonymous said...

The reasons the wind company are going directly to the township supervisors is because most of the supervisors are lessors or have family members that are lessors to the wind companys.
There will not be a ridge left in Potter County without a wind turbine on it. This should scare the Heck out of everyone. It is going to raise your electric rates and still not close or slow down one coal burning power plant. We are going to lose Potter County to wind turbines and gain absolutly nothing. What is the point.

Anonymous said...

Sure would be nice to look at those ridge tops and think about how clean the energy is that's being generated. Might even create a few decent jobs.

As far as looks, it can't look any worse than some of the trash and old junk cars laying around. And it certainly can't look as messy as all those election signs every 10 feet.

Anonymous said...

The jobs that are created are for a specilized traveling group of maintenance workers. The turbines are computer run from a headquarters out of state, the electricity is poor grade because of the undependability of the wind and therefore never will close down conventional power plants. The electric bills will go up because wind energy is more expensive to generate. They will be visible for miles, not just feet and they will never go away. Do the homework before you comment, they are only being built because of tax credits and government money. Without this money the wind would never even be looked at.
We here in Potter County just plain old lose!

Anonymous said...

Like the one person said above, why are we worried about the looks of new white wind mills when 50% of our landscape is littered with beat up trailers, junk cars, trash in the yards, and who knows what else scattered about. You gotta love the way people think! If we're going to zone these wind mills, then lets start zoning these scrap heaps some call homes. Take a look at the lovely place across the road from the Solid Waste Station near Ulysses. It's hard to tell which side of the road to dump your trash on weekends.

Anonymous said...

"It is going to raise your electric rates and still not close or slow down one coal burning power plant."

Utilities will sky rocket with or without the turbines, why, because our government is allowing it to happen.

For a good example of this natural gas is at an all time low, has anyone's rate for natural gas dropped on their natural gas bill? Heck no!

Maybe with wind turbines growing in number then it will slow down and or shut down the coal burning power plants. At least it is clean green energy!

America wants its cake and eat it too, BUT no one wants anything near their home or in their county.

Negative blogs all the time about the turbines will not solve our countries need for clean green energy now will it?

Anonymous said...

Without taxpayer paid tax incentives; they wouldn't even bother with Potter County! Another unproven waste of money! Just like poster # 1 said, about the ethanol deal! Another govt. fiasco hiding behind the "go green" campaign! You'll pay thye big companies with your tax "grants" and you'll pay higher elec bills,while they figure out how to harness it when the wind blows; and how to fill in the gaps when it don't! The govt.'s great @ blowin wind with negative results! If the politicians spent as much time researching viable , renewable energy as they do bickering between parties; maybe we'd be on to something good! But , don't see that happening. It's all about the money; as usual!! Let the govt. in, or they'll huff and puff and blow your house down!!(with inefficient wind mills)! Remember,Potter Co. is a 2 out of 8 for productivity! That's a hard one to figure out!? CAN U SAY 'MONEY' for a very few people,with benefits for few more.Sure am gonna miss God's Country!! Brad Jones

Solomon's words for the wise said...

There are only a little more than 17,000 residents in these Potter County hills. In the suburbs, there are that many in a couple of square miles. We're easy pickins for the wind mill companies. If they paid off the entire population, they'd probably be ahead of the costs to place them in the suburbs. They will change the character of this area forever. They don't live here and they don't have to endure the negative effects from them. However, there is one thing that these companies have not considered, and that is that these hillbilly ridge runners are a contrary bunch, and sometimes take things into their own resources. Deer hunters may have a hard time missing those propeller blades 400 feet in the air, visible for miles around. One need only look at some of the traffic signs in the less traveled areas to surmise what could happen to these windmills.

Anonymous said...

Could and will happen! a moving target, Wow, can't waite!

Anonymous said...

How can you compare a 400 ft high rotating monster to a couple of junk cars? These things will be seen from miles around!! As a frequent visitor to Potter Co. I will not return if these things are built.....I go for the beauty of the nature and peace and quiet not to see an industrial wind plant.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-cRuYAxg0


won't need to shoot them down ... look at this

James said...

Everyone screams about government welfare to help individuals who may need a hand, but when government welfare steps in and gives welfare to private corporations which meet your agenda, your all for it at any cost.

I believe the correct description is " a double minded man"

Are you unstable in all your ways?

I guess they omitted the course in logic in the local schools.

Anonymous said...

Vandalism is against the law and will only cost us taxpayers by keeping their asses in the pokey.

Anonymous said...

Just think of the tourists who will come to see the windmills. Rendell would be happy about that. Then they can come see us Poe Folks with wind mills and garbage heaps all around us.

My real opinion on these is, yes there should be some rules about distance from dwellings, but if you're the owner of the land and you're the one paying the taxes, you should be able to put up a windmill or a junk heap or both.

And what about these birds getting killed? I have about 10 to 15 hit my house windows every week, and some of them die on impact. With 17,000 residents, there are a lot of windows in potter county, and I don't see anyone doing bird tests to see if we should keep windows in our house.

Anonymous said...

At least they will now know where to start looking when the bullet holes appear. Thanks for the tip!

JMHO said...

"However, there is one thing that these companies have not considered, and that is that these hillbilly ridge runners are a contrary bunch, and sometimes take things into their own resources."

Boy Jim, I sure hope your not trying to encourage these "hillbillies" to shoot at the turbines, are you? How about the gas wells? Are they a fair target also in your book? A very narrow minded comment, coming from you Jim.

JMHO

Solomon's words for the wise said...

I am not encouraging anyone to shoot anything, simply pointing out a potential problem the companies have probably not taken into account. I would never advocate illegal activity of any kind.

Anonymous said...

Instead of white they should paint them camo. lol.

Anonymous said...

JMHO - Jim has a great point! This will happen, it's reality!!

Anonymous said...

I'm going to be honest - I've gone windmill hunting. With my camera. I've driven for hours looking for wind fields, and taken tours of wind factories.

Why?

Because I'm a tourist. Call me Don Quixote. Personally - I think windmills add a little something to a landscape.

Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Excellent point, 12:28:00.
I give it about 15 minutes 'till the antis come in slinging mud.

JMHO said...

"I am not encouraging anyone to shoot anything, simply pointing out a potential problem the companies have probably not taken into account"

I know you are not encouraging anyone to shoot them but you are giving stupid ideas to some stupid people.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

Thank you poster 1:21. It did sound like a suggestion more than a tip to the wind turbine companies. What a bunch of hillbillies...Save the earth, just not in my backyard attitude is getting quite old..

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to your communities! How can anyone be unhappy about wind energy. As I drive on I-80 west through Iowa, seeing wind turbines as far as the eye can see, I can't help but be a proud American doing their part for clean energy.

Anonymous said...

Stupid people is the solution to this contentious issue.

Probably the biggest problem with the industrial wind advocates is their marketing. Instead of calling them industrial wind turbines, they should just call them dildine fans.

Would you rather live next to an industrial wind turbine installation or a dildine fan park?

The latter would sound much more appealing to most folks and it would draw tourists and curiosity seekers from all over the country.

We could get rid of the "God's Country" moniker and market Potter County--home of the largest dildine fan park.

Anonymous said...

Seems like maybe there is a word missing in the last sentence of this story or maybe the guys name doesn't belong there? Maybe some gremlins inserted the name there. That might explain all of the dildines cropping up here lately too. Gremlins!

Anonymous said...

"As I drive on I-80 west through Iowa"

Repeat this back to your self and you may realize that you do not live with them. Clue number one.

Anonymous said...

go north on 21 towards naples,n.y. have a look at the ugly, huge windmills UGH!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

As a 20-some year resident of potter county that recently (hopefully temporarily) moved out of the area, I would be very sad to see such things marring the landscape when I have the chance to return! One of the few places I can go where quiet and nature still reign... it would never be the same once those start going up.

Anonymous said...

Trains go by in a few minutes...
snowmobilers go by quickly...
motorcycles go by quickly...
loud noises are often transient.
Turbine noise just keeps building
and staying and turning and grinding and squeaking right outside of your bedroom, kitchen, family room window 24/7. It is
unrelenting...it will not shut
down because you have the flu, or cold, or your arthritis is hurting,
or your migraine is acting up.
They will be there making noise
24/7....they cannot be turned off ever. AND THEY DO CRASH AND BURN...
and what happens then when we
are in a dangerously dry situation.
We burn to the ground. Those of us
who will be too close are terrified.

Anonymous said...

"AND THEY DO CRASH AND BURN...
and what happens then when we
are in a dangerously dry situation.
We burn to the ground. Those of us
who will be too close are terrified."

WOW. Up the meds!!!! Seems like you have bigger problems than the turbines coming.

Anonymous said...

It looks like nobody noticies the new cell phone/communications towers popping up all over the county, or is it that they help with local communications and nobody cares. grey towers are alright even though they raise up a couple of hundred feet into the sky??? Just food for thought.

Anonymous said...

hopefully the township supervisors will look at this issue objectively and make reasonable setbacks from people's homes like the commissioners did. I'm not crazy about cell phone towers, but I understand their positive effects and they don't make any noise.

Anonymous said...

Easy, We Hillbillies take pride in our name. What would you rather have. A city that covers the whole county, with people in business suites crowding the sidewalks, Taxi Cabs all over the place, Subways. More noise 24/7 then a Wind Turbine. now i would rather see a wind turbine Vs. another New York City. To be honest i like hearing the tractor drive up the road to go spread manure, it just strikes my mind to think you guys hate to live here. If you guys hate it then move out of the county. It also makes me wonder how many of you people that bitch about windturbines live in town. Hmm? The world may never know

Anonymous said...

I would rather see a turbine rather than another NYC...I don't think we're in danger of that happening here. I live in the country, not town and have always done so. Someday industrial wind turbines may make sense here, but not now. It's a government boondoggle that we shouldn't all be suckers for. I applaud the Commissioners and others in local government that have tried to protect the public from this fiasco. Get the government out of it and if it makes sense to construct them so be it. The way it is now I don't think it's a good deal for Potter County.

Anonymous said...

not a good deal for Potter County, taxpayers, or electric customers!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jerry Eckert should put in wind turbines !!!

Anonymous said...

Stupid people indeed!!
If everyone would professes to be
so cavalier about appropriate
setbacks was going to be the victim
of the inappropriate setbacks...
we might talk.

But most of you who are chanting
allah to the Industrial Turbinization of Potter County,
will not hear them or see them
24/7.

If you are financially benefitting
from them or are family or close
friends of someone who is financially benefitting from them,
your opinion is simple bias.

So...now who wants to speak
since I suspect many of your
praising turbines have just
been eliminated.

Anonymous said...

May 8, 2009 3:23:00 PM

Well if the noise is going to just keep building
and staying and turning and grinding and squeaking the whole damn town of Ulysses, Gold, Genesee, Coudersport and Galeton will be effected!

And if these things are so tall that the lights will be seen from Cherry Springs I guess the lights will also be viewable from Ulysses, Gold, Genesee, Coudersport and Galeton as well!

Go ahead, corner the market on being effected the "most", the rest of us will stay bias I guess...since this is such a small area ya do know darn near everyone or of them anyway!

Anonymous said...

And let us not forget our highly decorated investigator, Jimmy Olsen from the local snooze has relatives who are benefiting. so we won't be hearing any negative commentary from that side of the room.

Anonymous said...

"Jimmy Olsen" falls under the same catagory as some of the rest of us...if we have an opinion that is not popular or the same as another posters we are sh*t out of luck!

So either way it does not really matter what he says or prints, the man just can not win with some of you, talk about bias!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad Woodward and Bernstein didn't take that luke warm position 4:40pm

Anonymous said...

Tourists will come to see the Turbines?

No, I think tourists will come to the Dark Skies at Cherry Springs rather than to look at the Turbines.

Of course, you can build all the turbines you want....

But what good are they if there isn't a grid to hook them up to?