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Friday, May 29, 2009

PA State Police Use Helicopter Help To Catch ATV Violators

ATVs vs. private property battle hits new level

BRADFORD, Pa. - The Pennsylvania Game Commission and State Police teamed up this past weekend to combat all-terrain vehicles being driven on private property, using a helicopter to spot violators.

“We were getting numerous complaints about illegal ATV activity on properties that they are not supposed to be on,” said Game Commission Wildlife Conservation Officer Tom Sabolcik on Wednesday.

The state police brought in a helicopter from Montoursville, while the Game Commission spread out in Lafayette, Hamlin and Otto townships, with most of the properties being patrolled a part of the Cooperative Forest-Game Program. More...

38 comments :

Anonymous said...

Waste of tax payer money. The ATV's do way less harm than the states logging operations.

Anonymous said...

Logging is a business. Trespassers on ATV's give nothing back to the landowner.

Anonymous said...

As an ATV owner and rider, I say HATS OFF to the PSP and PGC for their efforts. Landowners should NOT be held hostage by these wanton criminals that ride their ATVs and dirtbikes illegally. If you don't have a place of your own to ride it, THEN DON'T BUT IT.

Anonymous said...

I agree that ATV owners should ride responsibly. But everyone better be on the look out for what Harrisburg is doing. They are shutting down parks and roads in the name of money.
They probably are getting ready to say " Hey look, we can open these back up if people pay for a permit to ride on them." Just another tax on the horizon.. As for the private landowners, it should be your right to control whose on your property. Unfortunately a few unruly ATV owners have ruined it for everyone.

Anonymous said...

So only rich people with land or people who have parents that left them land in a will can ride? BS - Ride for 10 years, get caught 1 time its well worth the risk.

Anonymous said...

I say increase the tax on land by about 20% to pay for these types of law enforcement events.

Dil Dil Dilly Dine.

Steve said...

Go ahead break the law for ten years, and wonder why your kids don't respect authority, or obey rules.

Anonymous said...

To the 2:50 pm poster I hope you don't get caught by a stray bullet as you cross private lands.

But if you do "its worth it"

Anonymous said...

"So only rich people with land or people who have parents that left them land in a will can ride? BS - Ride for 10 years, get caught 1 time its well worth the risk."

And the above quote is a direct example of how the Beavis and Butthead generation has been brainwashed into acting and thinking like morons.

Anonymous said...

To the 2:50 poster, what about us "not rich" people who work very hard for what we have. Do we not have the right to keep people from riding on our land? If you want to ride, get a job and buy your own land and if you cant then you shouldn't own atv's, dirtbikes, etc.

Anonymous said...

Luckily for me, the land owner would be liable so if i'm not dead I'll be rich.

Anonymous said...

To the 3:23 pm poster. It is the people like you that should be investigated and or watched for illegal activity. You can't just go out on your porch and start hailing bullets in the direction of people crossing you property. You should read and uderstand the law before even making such a remark. And as for the comparison to loggers, atvs if rode respectfully to the land owner when crossing it, will cause little to no damage wereas loggers even though make you money, cause a great deal of damage to your property that could take years to repair.

Anonymous said...

Ride till I die baby!

Anonymous said...

I can't stand people that don't respect others property. They pay the taxes on their land, do the upkeep on it, just to have ignorant self righteous people do whatever they want on it. If it's not yours, don't touch it (or go on with without permission in this case).

Anonymous said...

I have to say this looks to be a waste of money.You have to ask how many people were caught.How many fines were handed out.Does the amount of money in fines outweigh the cost of a chopper plus the hourly wages of these officers.(This type of operation would surely cost way over $1500.00 per hour.)

Anonymous said...

If it's not your property, and the property owner doesn't want you riding on their land, you don't belong there. It is direspectful people like poster 2:50 that ruin it for enthusiasts. Is it really a big deal to ask for permission? BTW the choppers should fly over Ulysses, but be looking on the main roads, not trails.

Anonymous said...

Remember how many get killed riding where they are not suppose to . Land owners put chains or quide wires across road ways, that results in death. All because the ATV rider thinks he has the right. 10 years or what ever, just hope someone doesn't get killed living by your so called advice.

Anonymous said...

5:21 Poster. CORRECT!!! Why do State Agencies WASTE so much money? Because it is not theirs. It just takes the stroke of a pen, or not even that sometimes. No accountability for Managements actions. Pure & simple a waste of taxpayer money. It happens in all State Agencies.

Anonymous said...

True, we are loosing our rights. HOWEVER, we should respect others property & postings if they want us to stay off their land.

How would you feel if someone would open your front door and walked in and sat down and turned on the tv and watched a ball game? No more wrong then tresspassing on someone's posted land.

Anonymous said...

Why does it seem that those who cause the most trouble are those who do not pay real estate taxes here and live in apartments in big cities ? Maybe they belong to a hunting camp on a dime size lot and think can hunt everywhere so they feel they can ATV ride everywhere.
Townships open their local roads to ATVs so the local bars and restaurants can make money but ignore the 'right to quiet enjoyment' of the properety owners.

Anonymous said...

5:21 & 7:18???

What?? How are they wasting tax payers money?? They have Helicoper to help them perform their jobs?? They use it to stop people who are doing something illegal?? WOW!!! Let's write to Congress!!!??? Find another bone to pick, Seriously!!!

Anonymous said...

"BS - Ride for 10 years, get caught 1 time its well worth the risk."...
This remark shows your disrespect for others, riders like YOU have caused people to not let the respectful atv owners ride on their land!

"wereas loggers even though make you money, cause a great deal of damage to your property that could take years to repair." Another intelligent remark! NOT!

Tax payers money would not have to be wasted IF these disrespectful atv owners were following the laws like the rest of us!

I say send a bill to the ones that got caught to cover the cost of the chopper used because of their actions, not the rest of us tax payers!

Anonymous said...

When we moved to Potter County, we purchased quite a bit of land (yes, we worked hard to get the money to do so). Unfortunately, even after nicely asking, over and over, for ATV's, etc to stay off of our land (for our sake due to the liability issue since some dumb ^&* idiot can actually sue me for an injury he gets on my land...even though he was trespassing), the people would not stop. We had to post our land (another added expense to us to keep people off OUR land) and then the idiots said "Did that mean us too????" Honestly, I have never witnessed so many people in one area who have no regard for things that DO NOT BELONG TO THEM! Sorry if you didn't have a RICH relative who left you land....try working for it like the rest of us.. BETTER YET...try asking for permission to ride on the land, sign a waiver to protect the landowner and go about this the correct way.

Anonymous said...

We are not getting out of this depression anytime soon. Its going to get a lot worse for most of us. It didn't have to be this way.

"As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption; mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth -- not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced -- to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation's economic machinery. Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped."

Marriner Eccles, FDR's Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank - 1959

In other words, the first Great Depression was caused by greed. The rich couldn't settle for reasonable pay. They had to have more and more and more. That caused a giant shift in buying power from the majority to the rich. When the majority lost their buying power, they lost their ability to support the economy. The rich stopped investing because they knew that it would be tough to squease the last few dollars from the majority and make further profits. So the economy tanked. Einstein said basically the same thing in 1949.

Its even worse now. Because ordinary people havn't only lost their relative buying power. They have also lost their savings, home values, pensions, benefits, and nest eggs. This didn't happen overnight. Its been happening gradually for the last 30 years. Meanwhile, the rich have become super incredibly rich. The richest 500 Americans are worth almost two trillion dollars. More than the bottom 1/2 of American housholds combined. The richest 1 percent are worth over 15 trillion dollars. More than the bottom 90% of American households. Thats just insane. It can't be justified. I don't care how much work for humanity the rich claim to do. Its nothing but a cover for their incredible greed. We don't need anymore rich people to inspire us or entertain us or create jobs or make donations for humanity. We need them to just get reasonable about how much money and assets they keep for themselves.


Don't believe it when the rich claim to be getting poorer. Property values have gone down worldwide. Not only for rich people but for all people. Thats because of the concentration of wealth and income. When the economy slows down, property values tank. So when rich people complain about a lower net worth, thats a trick. They still have the same obscene buying power on average.

Everything that is happening with the economy is happening because the wealth has been taken away from the majority and concentrated into the private vaults of rich people. The same ones on TV and radio telling us how much we need them. How much we should love them. How much they want to help the world. Its a big lie. Just another way to promote their own business. Rich people don't want to help the world. They want to own it.

There will be no bailout for the people because the ones with all the money just won't give it up. Say goodbye to the American dream and hello to the American nightmare.

Anonymous said...

Stay off other peoples land before you get hurt.

Anonymous said...

How did we go from "who's paying for the helocopters" to the crumbling of our nations' economy????
I just know there will be another "Bonnie and Clyde" of ATVS "take down."
Sounds like a little bit of overkill for ATV lawbreakers. But, disrespectful, law ignoring people must be dealt with in unusal manners, I suppose.

Fed Up said...

I gave up with attempting to deal with them in a pleasant, respectful nature...
Beware ATV'rs there are traps on my property that will puncture your tires if you ride and don't know where to avoid...
It does not matter how or when I got my property, they key word is MY property... I will do with it what I want and how I want when I want... I used to allow riders on the property, but there were a few irresponsible and disruptive riders that insisted on tearing it up at every opportunity... That ruined it for everyone... As usual, the actions of the few have affected the privileges of the many... I am sorry to say it, but that was the only way that I had to control and uncontrollable situation... I tried approaching individuals, and even chased a few down to confront them... I was told "I have been riding here for XX years, who are you to tell me to stop"?... I am the landowner and you are trespassing on my property...
I tried calling the police, I was told that there was no way for them to enforce it, unless I called it in and could positively identify the offender... I have better things to do with my time than chase down these criminals... The traps that have been set will cause damage to these vehicles, they will leave the drivers stranded in a remote location, and if I find an abandoned vehicle at one of these traps, I cannot say that it will still be there when the owner returns...
My land is posted, and will now remain that way... If you choose to ignore these postings, and break the law, you may not like the consequences...
Drastic means call for drastic measures and I don't have a helicopter at my disposal, but I do have lots of boards, nails, screws and places to bury them...

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought--if ATV owners or hunters want to ride or hunt on other people's property, why not stop in to visit periodically with the landowner and lend him/her a helping hand with whatever they need. You'd be surprised at how well that works for both parties.

Anonymous said...

The key word here is respect!!I formed the Westend Trailblazers and talked with all the landowners and the club pays a lot of money for liability insurance for the proection of the landowners!The couple of idiots on here that think they can go anywhere they want w/o permission are morons!It's thier land and they have the right to shut it down.Why don't the 4 wheelers form an organized club like we did and go about it the right way like we did?I'm not saying all snowmobilers are perfect but at least they are trying to police thier ranks and are trying to protect and communicate with the landowner!We have every landowner listed on an insurance policy and really try to address concerns!!It takes a lot of work by a few people,but it's worth it!!It's a damn shame a few people have to ruin it for everyone!To the idiots that think they can do whatever they want"cause they can"-Get over it!!Like the one poster said "stop by and help them put in some hay or something"!! I did it for years!!Common sense and respect goes a long ways!!No wonder good people post thier land!!Some of ya are ungrateful heathens that think the land owner owes you something!!Kudo's to the Four wheeler drivers that follow the rules and ask permission or stay on designated trails!My biggest obstacle opening a snowmobile trail was the property owners concern over 4 wheelers tearin up thier property!Please don't take it out on the local snowmobile club and if you're not sure if you on thier insurance policy,go to www.westendtrailblazers.com and they will be glad to help you! Thanks to all the landowners who have trusted and supported us over the last 8 years!! Brad Jones(Former founder and president of Westend Trailblazers Inc.)

Anonymous said...

Great post Brad Jones

Anonymous said...

there is always the one idiot that ruins it for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

As in some parts in Germany ATV (4 wheelers) are permitted to ride on the roads (once they are road ready, turn signals, insurance and licensed) out in the country/villages. Why not make them legal to drive on the roads here so we don't have to drive on private property to get to the trails? Yes you would have to pay taxes, registration, insurance etc. Of course we would have to follow all the laws as driving your car but would be a good solution to driving on private property.

Anonymous said...

Your club is pointless. How do you even have an atv with no job? The states trail system is a joke, they get our registration $$ and what do they spend it on? Ride wherever you want, pay the 1 or 2 fines you'll get in a lifetime and enjoy.

Anonymous said...

To the Monday 9:42:00 AM poster:

Here's your sign! Duh!
Stupid is as stupid does...

Anonymous said...

9:42 poster-You are one of the few idiot's that causes the grief up ther!! Post your name and get er done nimrod! People with you're attitude ruin for a lot of law abiding,registered,insured 4 wheelers and snowmobiles!Like my friend Bill Baker used to say, "maybe you need adult supervision"!! What a retard?!! 90% of the landowners up there will work with ya, if you talk to them and show some respect!!And the ones who don't have been pissed off so many times by you and your "don't give a shit about anybody but yourself buddies";no wonder they don't want to deal with ya!!Keep pissin the landowners off and that will probably help!!!Not??!!Again,to all the land owners and timber companies that work with the local clubs and people that pick up garbage,clear brush from the trail and really appreciate the landowners patience and kindness-THANK YOU!!! You are truly respected by the local clubs and 90% of the people you give the priveledge to!! :) Brad Jones-Proud Life Member and supporter of the Westend Trailblazers Snowmobile Club of Roulette,Pa.561-441-3987(palm beach , Fl.)

Anonymous said...

snowmobiles are the real reason for land up here getting shut down. you and your club ride when there isn't enough snow and scar up the landscape. Then you ride through the winter wheat fields and ride drunk 99.9% of the time. All the trails you guys "clear" go from 1 bar to the next. Guess what, atv's clear those trails 10 months of the year so that you can ride instead of clearing trail for 1 month and then watch the snow melt. Tell me, does your mullet fit in down in Florida?

Anonymous said...

6/2-8;28-Sign you're name and shoot me an e-mail @ bradleykjoness@yahoo.com or call me @ 561-441-3987 or shut up while you and some of you're buddies are rippin the hell out of the trails up in the mud, that we have been building for 8 years!!!I already stated that were not perfect eitheir and I don't have a problem with the respectful 4 wheelers!! Put up or shut up!!Snowmobile ridin these days are slim pickin and short lived for all the work the local club does!! Where they stop ,eat,get gas or have a beverage is irrelevent!! Have a grape knee high for all we care?!!Most of the idiots ,that I received complaints about;drove around signs;flipped off landowners etc.!And I'm not gonna say none of them were sleds;but most were 4 wheelers that didn't give a sh3t!! Just my observation in 8 years of running a legitamite club!!Police your ranks and get a club and spend the countless hours tryin to make it work like the local clubs do,year after year!!!!The law abiding 4-wheelers up ther know what I'm talkin about and will tell you that I've tried to help them out too!!!! Brad Jones

Anonymous said...

P.S-6/2-8:28- I have never driven thru a Winter Wheat field in 25 years of sledding up there and some of us do stop for a burger and a beer(or soda) on a 100 mile ride!!If it's mud slingin you're wantin to get into; some of you are great at that!Yes,sometimes the sleds get excited and go out a little too early or with only a couple inches of snow;but at least we deal with the landowners and insure our trails!What club do you belong to and I'll bet you don't carry a chainsaw with you!I know all the local s that offer to help and I'd bet your not one of them!You can get out of town by road;if you're legal all year round!Memberships are availible @ www.westendtrailblazers.com for one of the snowmobile clubs that have laid the groundwork for years!Nothin against 4 wheelers,but do you're share of work;like the rest of us -then open your pie hole!! (my comments do not necessarily represent the local snow clubs)but I personally worked my butt off along with several others to build bridges,deal with landowners and DCNR etc. to get where we are!Get a life and jump on board and help us continue the progress we have made!!!! Thanks! Brad Jones(Founder of WETB Inc.)