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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Family Of 4 Would Pay $624. A Year For State Police In New Legislation Being Considered

1,200 towns may be hit with police fee

- mjoseph@centredaily.com
Centre Daily Times

State legislation on a fast track for committee approval would impose a per-capita fee on nearly half of Pennsylvania’s municipalities for state police services that the municipalities now get at no cost.

The legislation — House Bill 1500, the State Police Municipal Patrol Services Act — was introduced and co-sponsored by metropolitan- area lawmakers Thursday and is scheduled for a committee vote, but no hearing, Wednesday.

The measure would impose a state police service fee on about 1,200 of the state’s 2,566 municipalities, including 28 of Centre County’s 35 boroughs and townships, to raise about $450 million in all.

The only Centre County municipalities that would not be affected by the fees would be the boroughs of State College and Bellefonte, plus College, Ferguson, Harris, Patton and Spring townships. Those seven municipalities either have their own police forces or contract for services with a municipality that does.

All other Centre County municipalities — from Philipsburg and Snow Shoe boroughs in the west to Marion and Gregg townships in the east — rely solely on state police coverage and would be subject to the legislation, according to Cory Adams, legislative analyst for the Pennsylvania State Association of Township Supervisors.

The fee would be $52 per capita for the first year, $104 for the second year and $156 for the third and subsequent years. More...

37 comments :

Anonymous said...

STOP wasteful State spending!!! NO NEW TAXES!!! This is a bunch of crap. Whats next? Pothole taxes?

Anonymous said...

We all ready pay for 911...so let's tax everything. When are they going to realize the time will come when the citizen will have nothing left to give. Or is this what they want. We own nothing.

Anonymous said...

I'll pay it but every time I call for the police they better answer. I can't tell you how many times I haven't been able to reach the Sweden Township Police. There is no listed number for them.

I'm not saying they don't do their job..I have no experience with them other than i can't reach them.

If I pay, I also want the police to sit on main street and make all the losers remove themselves from the store fronts and the old Adelphia building.

Anonymous said...

this is absurd i cant even pay for gas to get to work let alone groceries and utilities.maybe we should tax their coffee and doughnuts???

Anonymous said...

If they plan on making us pay for the services that they are bound to offer, does this now mean that they will now enforce municipal codes that they currently refuse to do?
It seems that it would be less expensive for the local municipal authorities / governing bodies to hire local law enforcement.

Solomon's words for the wise said...

This charge would not apply to municipalities that have their own police force, like Coudersport, Sweden Valley, Port Allegany, Shinglehouse, Galeton and Austin. Townships like Roulette, who do not have their own police force, would be subject to these charges if this legislation were to be adopted.

Anonymous said...

Time to buy a gun to keep safe.

Anonymous said...

Our Polititians hard at work taking more of our money. That is what it amounts to.

Anonymous said...

It would be interesting to know how this tax will actually help keep people safe. For example: The PSP barracks in Potter Co. is approx. 25 miles from Roulette. It's not going to make any difference on how quickly they respond to a call. If the PSP need money for gas and equipment, tax the politicians who decided this was a great idea.

Anonymous said...

It is just an excuse so they can tax "something" and make it sound like it really means sense to the public so they can sell their new tax. Typical state tactics.

Anonymous said...

Sad to say, But Obama and his side kicks just got into office.

we have 4 more years of this stuff. By the time he leaves office we will all be working for the gov't and we all be equal, WITH NO MONEY.

This is just the start of it.

How do you think they are going to pay for all this crap they are giving away to people who don't work??

Wait until the NEW HEALTH CARE plan gets passed... who do you think is going to pay for that? us, they will have to tax us on something else to pay for it.

Anonymous said...

Everyday more CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON !! Hope all you osama-bama people are proud now !!!

Anonymous said...

I have called the PSP on at least two different occasions that they never responded too. On another call it took them 6 hours to respond on homecoming weekend because they only had one car on duty and they was in shinglehouse which has their own police force looking for an elderly man. I thought that what all the fines and such went towards keeping them in funds to provide protection. Serve and protect, yeah right. If roulette would like some law enforcement I am more than willing if they pay for my schooling. I know you can generate enough funds to keep money rolling in too roulette.

JMHO said...

Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reasons.

JMHO

Anonymous said...

Can't blame Obama for this. Can blame Rendell. Let's make sure we focus on the right place.

Thankfully - States still have some small measure of autonomy.

But this... this is wonky. Can municipalities decide NOT to pay the tax and just go police-less?

Might be nice not to have to worry about speeding tickets for a while ;)

Anonymous said...

once more, blame Obama...you forgot Bush gave tax relief to the rich but continued to spend money by the boat loads...now it's time to pay for the republicans who think running a country is free.

Anonymous said...

I believe this bill exempted smaller communities, like those found in Potter County and other rural counties. The bill is being used to force larger communities that choose not to have their own police departments to either form a police dept or pay the state police to patrol those communities.

Mad Mike said...

I've been saying this FOREVER! Time after time I blog about the PSP acting as another cog in the goverment's money machine. Where are all the PSP advocates now? I'm sorry to be redundant but we do NOT need them in Coudersport. I think a person should be able to opt out of this tax and only the people who choose to pay for "police protection" can have it. And believe me...you can have it!! Jim, in response to your blog...I'm not sure anyone really knows where all our tax money goes but I would venture a guess that some of it is already allocated to the State Police. Therefore, if you live in a borough with a police force, you're already being taxed twice. So, add this formal tax and make it three times. It's utter nonsense, during a time when the backbone of this country is struggling to make ends meet, that the goverment would attempt such a tax. It's only going to get worse.

Anonymous said...

hahah yes it must be Obama's fault. Everything always is Obama's fault when you live in a Republican area like this.

This area lacks culture and has such a narrow mindset. There is more to the world than Potter county, I just hope our children find it and expand their way of thinking.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you'll think of joining with other forces to keep your tax low. You know your going to have to pay so why not pay less.

Anonymous said...

I vote now to cut the 800 State Police. Let the fine money for local police increase to the full amount, instead of half. Local police can be more self supportive for a third of the cost. MAkes sense to me. For those of you that don't have it, you ought to look at the local guys for help. They I'm sure will be able to help.

Anonymous said...

The origonal purpose of the State Police was for the State Highways. It was the local police's job to take care of the county and local municipalities. The State's purpose was only support for the local guy's. For those communities that have been relying on the State all these years, shame on you. And you wonder why you wait for hours or even days for them to respond to your calls.

Anonymous said...

dont understand why people are blaming the state cops for this, am i missing something?

it looks to me like the blame should fall on the politicians or the large, greedy townships that can afford cops but dont want to spend the money.

i support the state police in potter county. they work hard and cover most of the county. why are people always bitching about them?

Solomon's words for the wise said...

As far as exemptions--Mike Joseph's article continues to say that the smallest township in PA (pop. 18) would be subject to this fee. This would amount to more money than most of us poor people pay in property taxes for both the township and county. The city lawmakers want to take the 500 million that comes from the motor vehicle license fund and use it for something else besides paying state police. This new charge would charge every man, woman & child in these townships $156. a year for state police services after 3 years at a reduced rate.

Anonymous said...

Let's police ourselves and save all this money.

Anonymous said...

"hahah yes it must be Obama's fault. Everything always is Obama's fault when you live in a Republican area like this."

Obama has all ready tripled the debt of this country and has only been in office how long now?

Ya, keep blaming Republican's, maybe they should have just "printed" more money as they needed it!

CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON, YES YOU CAN, YES YOU CAN!
hahaha right back at ya!

Anonymous said...

There you have it again. So a Town with a Population of 525 people. You'll pay just shy of $82,000. You could have you own officer or contract out to another municipality for a third of that.

Now look at the bigger picture. The county has a 19,000 population, this comes to 2,964,000 You could have a 30 man police department and cover the entire county for half of that. This way we all have police service and there is a minimum of four to five police cars on duty 24 hrs. a day. Now they will be able to focus on issues from criminal mischief, library book theft, dui's, domestic assaults and the lists goes on. I don't for the life of me understand why the commissioners look at a joint regioal police force. The would save the tax payers boat loads of money instead of paying it out. Gee I can thing of many projects that we could spend 1.5 million dollars on. The commissioner should sit down with all the current police departments and discuss regionalization. This is what other areas are looking at and I thinkk for our county and the size it would be definitely workable. The main idea is to get the most for the least cost. We need law enforcement like it or not. This is not going to go away so lets deal with it.

Anonymous said...

I sure whished Hillary would have became President.

Anonymous said...

June 30, 2009 8:54:00 PM

With a remark like that it reminds me of what, the lesser of 2 evils?

Anonymous said...

Poster @ Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39:00 PM EDT

AMEN!!!

Anonymous said...

I agree. We need to take the lesser of the two evils before we are stuck paying way to much. I guess I am for it.

Conservatively Speaking said...

While Obama may not deserve all of the blame for this fiasco, he does share the blame. He, and his czars' (sounds a lot like Russia} socialist attitudes have put us in dire shape in this country. We now have debt that we'll never be able to repay, and our move toward a culture of life and much of the protection for the unborn was nullified by Obama on day one. His insistence on pushing "cap and trade" (taxing us for using energy), will have a devastating effect on individuals and the economy. By continuing to push the farce of man-made global warming down our throats, while European countries and Australia have seen the light and have rejected this false prophet's (Al Gore) fortune telling, Obama risks it all to our eventual peril. With unemployment over 10% already, double digit inflation coming (we can only borrow so many trillions of dollars) and gas lines in the offing (no drilling, no refineries, no nuclear plants baby, Obama is sure to make Carter look like a piker. It's not surprising that a lot of those newbie voters that registered to vote for Obama around here didn't show up to vote in the last primary election.

Anonymous said...

I agree...We must Regionalize our Police Departments before we get stuck with a big bill. However if we don't look at this quick. The communities that don't already have police coverage will be stuck until something is in place.

Anonymous said...

I thought double taxation was illegal? several years ago the solid waste managent had a $35.00 per household tax, action was taken and the following year I didn't get a tax bill for my waste disposal, good thing otherwise I would be using a plastic bag to wipe my self with. Take from the working class and give to the rich, there's a new concept

Anonymous said...

"Take from the working class and give to the rich, there's a new concept"...No, in the good 'ole USA it is take from the working class and give to the non-workers, "WELFARE" is killing our tax dollars!

Soon there will not be enough of us working people to keep both the politicians and the welfare recipients taken care of!

But lets not forget Our great leader Mr. "O" wants to spread the wealth...

Anonymous said...

All of you small towns better start talking about police service before you all get stuck with your pants down and have to pay those outragous cost for the state.

Anonymous said...

That'd be a kodak moment ..