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Thursday, October 15, 2009

Total Ban On Outdoor Waste Burning Starts In NY State

Enduring rural practice of waste disposal ends as total state ban starts

By BRIAN NEARING, Staff writer
Times Union.com

ALBANY -- An artifact of life in the country, the backyard burn barrel, came to an end Wednesday under new state environmental rules.

Outdoor waste burning is now banned in all towns, regardless of population. Such burning has been illegal in towns of 20,000 people or more since 1972.

DEC said the tougher rules are needed because burning of waste can release harmful chemicals like dioxins into the air, in large part because barrels burn at much lower temperatures than commercial incinerators, allowing dangerous compounds to escape destruction.

"The greatest source of dioxin exposure in New York today is the dioxin that is formed from backyard burn barrels," said Dr. David Carpenter, Director of the Institute for Health and the Environment at the University at Albany, who spoke Wednesday at a news conference in the Capitol of environmental activists who support the new law. More...

25 comments :

Anonymous said...

So are these people gonna pay the garbage bills now since you cant burn stuff? Sounds to me like the state is screwing people for more money.If I lived in New York State Id fight this or fight a way for them to pay your garbage bills.

Anonymous said...

How do we go about getting this law passed in PA?

Anonymous said...

Eh, if you live way out in the sticks it is doubtful anyone is going to be around to report it anyway.

If you live in town and your burn barrel is always simmering your neighbors are probably already sick of it :)

M said...

Poster 3:37 -- You want it passed??? Go to the Northwoods and take a wizz in the parking lot. Then when the State Police arrests you,ask him.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is offensive and deadly.I had to sell my home and move from Genesee because of it.Now in Coudersport,in a high end neighborhood,(proof money doesn't buy class]can't open my windows on warm days,because of the neighbors burner barrel.A few papers?No...lots of plastic.So much ignorance......

Anonymous said...

The Austin boro council is trying to pass a burning ban.They have even talked about outdoor wood stoves.(and yes the boro is the trash hauler)more money!But don't worry under the obama rule coal & wood stoves are on the list !

Anonymous said...

If they pass this in PA, it would be worth fighting and going to jail over. The eco-freaks have to be stopped. Cap and trade and other extreme laws are killing us! While we do these kinds of things, China and India laugh at us all the way to the bank...

Anonymous said...

Thanfully there will be little, if any, enforcement of this law in NY. I know many police officers over there and they could give a shit less. The only enforcement from the police will stem from someone being turned in. I agree with above, the eco freaks are ignorant.

Anonymous said...

It's only a matter of time until this comes to PA/Coudersport. We live in the country and yes we burn papers, etc. I personally am very considerate to neighbors. We only burn early in the morning or after dark in evening. Never burn when neighbors are outside or neighbors have clothes on the line. A little common sense goes a long way & we don't burn plastic!

Anonymous said...

You idiot...Austin is not talking about a burn ban. What an ass u are. They want to control burning and that means burning paper and wood in burner barrels. So get the story straight before you open your pie hole. This is stuff that the state already regulates....Gee people that don't know the story should just keep thier traps shut.

Anonymous said...

You seem to know exactly what the Austin boro is talking about so please tell everyone what the new law will be.What can we burn? On what days ?Between what hours?Will the cop be on duty to enforce it ?

Anonymous said...

Went to all the meetings in Austin.

This is what is proposed. It is the almost the same as Coudersport/Emporium and other communitties.

You can burn 7 days a week 24hrs a day. The only thing that you will be able to burn is paper and common ordinanry wood, which EX) 2x4's tree limbs. Which this is also the state law already if you didn't know. You also have to have a burner barrel. You can't burn plastics, garbage,and rubish materials. Oh yea you won't be able to burn on Holiday's. No reference to a burn ban. The propsed ordinance is able to be viewed at the Boro office. The only reason for this is only to add to the current recycling program, garbage collection program that is already offered to the people of the Boro of Austin. The aim is to also help improve the quailty of life and for the health and safety. Check other communitties and you'll find that there is sometype of ordinance in place. Thanks for asking and I certainly hope it has made you away of whats really happening.

Anonymous said...

"You can burn 7 days a week 24hrs a day."

And some people seem to.

Anonymous said...

thank you to poster 7:09.BUT my neighbors are NOT considerate.That's what ruins it for the rest of us..

Mad Mike said...

Here is some more ignorance for you...I own my property and I'll burn whatever I want to. I live in the sticks so I don't have to worry about neighbors but you people who look to the goverment to solve all your problems are a disease. You give control to the goverment, they fail miserably, and then coerce more money from your pockets. (Who's ignornant here?) SSI is going broke, Post Office is going under, and the economy is flat...who here thinks the goverment can fix anything? I try to be considerate of the earth and if I had neighbors I would excercise caution as to when/what I was burning. However, there are enough laws already telling people what they can and can't do with their land. Next, there are rumors the goverment would like to tax my spring water that feeds my house. Where does it end? Who is going to stop it? Certainly not you sheep who enjoy giving your money away to a broken system and look to the goverment to resolve all your minor/local issues. Like I said, you're a disease.

Anonymous said...

10:28 poster. Without laws I could build a nuke power plant right next to your house and you couldn't do a thing to me.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for clearing that up.(the only reason for this is to ad to the boros current recycling & garbage collection) so in other words the boro can make more money.

DQuaid said...

well said!

Anonymous said...

No the Boro won't make anymore money and also they receive no money from the recycling program.

Anonymous said...

mad mike,gee,you are mad.I also live in the country on acreage.
Plastics burn a LONG time and smolder for hours.The smoke travels a long way.And not everyone is considerate or as educated.So therefore sometimes we have to draw lines.I would enjoy conversing with you,but don't think everyone else would appreciate us here.

Anonymous said...

Won't the boro pick up more garbage at over $3.00 per bag thus making more money.And don't even tell me the boro doesn't make anything from recycling.Then are the taxpayers footing the bill for the boro employees to take care of it?

Anonymous said...

Before recycling in Austin I was putting 2 bags out a week and that was with burning only paper trash - recycling came along - reduced my garbage down to 1 bag per month. Huge savings and helped the environment. I am all for a burning ban on plastics / tires, garbage etc. Nothing worse than sitting on your porch during the summer and dealing with the stink. Only problem with it - it was a boro council member that was creating the offensive smell. To top it off - he had the nerve to tell the neighbors who were having a legit "campfire" to put it out because the smell was bothering him and the smoke was getting in his house.
If it gets passed - lets make sure that EVERYONE is following the rules and not a few choice people getting off!
Actually - that goes for a lot of things in that town.

Anonymous said...

Barrels are a highly inefficient means of burning. They smolder for a reason. The lack of sufficient oxygen to provide a "hot" burn causes it. Sure, people poke holes in the barrels to provide air flow but, eventually they become plugged. A better design can be had using some old chain link fence to create a burning area that contains the materials and ashes with a mesh cover to also contain ashes flying out of the top. You get a much hotter fire with very little smoke and very few bits of unburned material leaving much less ash. If you're careful about what you burn the ash can be used to supplement gardens and flower beds.

Composting is another way that you can reduce household, kitchen, and lawn wastes. Newspaper is a fine example of something that usually gets burned that could be composted instead. Again, the resulting product of compost can be used to bolster your garden and house plants while reducing your garbage removal costs.

Recycling can also reduce your garbage bills. There is the Lion's Club Recycling Center on Dingman Run available on Saturdays in Coudersport and also the Potter County Waste Authority and Recycling Center in Gold. Both accept recyclable plastics. If you have stuff that simply can't be composted or recycled, you can get rid of it at the Waste Authority for a fraction of the cost of what's charged by the local waste hauler.

My grandparents lived in "the sticks." They used to keep a little bucket under the sink for organic kitchen wastes. When the bucket was full, they'd take it "out back" for the critters. Whatever didn't get eaten naturally composted in the pile. Obviously this isn't something you'd want to do in a populated area.

Here's how we do it. I know that everyone doesn't have the capability to do it this way but it's an example of how it can be done. We have different bins for our recyclables and a large box for everything that can't. When the big box is full, I load up our pickup with everything and take it to Gold. All done in one shot and a helluva cheaper than if I'd used one of the local garbage haulers a bag at a time.

I don't agree with NY's total burning ban but as I've pointed out, there are many ways to reduce the need to burn and the amount of pollution and "neighbor discomfort" created by burning. If you work at it a little you can save yourself a lot of cash and keep your neighbors happy at the same time.

Anonymous said...

I agree with mad Mike. But is there really a law about building nuclear power plants. Now you tell me...guess i will be tearing that down this weekend.

Anonymous said...

I though all the landfills were about full and they had to buy more land. What is that going to cost compaired to burning.?? About neighbors complaining maybe they complained to much about other things that they are burning just to tick them off.