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Thursday, November 12, 2009

Sheetz Petitions To Sell Beer In PA Stores

Sheetz starts petition for beer sales in Pa.

By Mark Leberfinger, mleberfinger@altoonamirror.com and Amanda Clegg,
Altoona Mirror

Beer is locked up in Pennsylvania and needs to be freed from archaic state liquor laws, Sheetz Inc. officials said Wednesday.

The Altoona-based company, with about 200 locations in Pennsylvania, has started the Free My Beer campaign, an online and paper petition effort to urge lawmakers to allow beer sales at grocery and convenience stores.

The company and others have tried traditional lawmaker lobbying to change the laws, but it hasn't gotten the General Assembly's attention, so it's time to take the effort to the people, 70 percent of whom want expanded beer sales, company president and CEO Stan Sheetz said.

"The sign-ups match the polls," he said. "They'll say yes. This is not rocket science. They just want to be able to buy beer in Pennsylvania where they want."

"Why is beer locked up like this? Nobody has a good reason for this." More...

65 comments :

Anonymous said...

I'm against this. It makes it that much easier for underage kids to get alcohol as well as legal aged drinkers to get more beer at all times of the day, 7 days a week. I see a huge increase in DUI's if this happens!

Anonymous said...

I don't think this is a good idea at all, cons to it could be-more drinking and driving, underage sales etc. This is not a good idea and from this point forward I will no longer spend my money at Sheetz until they drop this campaign - this is obsurd. They do not need to sell beer, we have bars and distributors for that-and enough of them as far as I am concerned. JMHO

Anonymous said...

I agree with Sheetz. It's crazy to have to go to a different store to buy beer in this state. You are limited by their hours and their availability. I'm all for beer sales in the grocery stores and I only buy beer about twice a year!!

Anonymous said...

I disagree, the kids and the drunks are gonna get it from somewhere no matter what.

Anonymous said...

it isnt a problem in pa now??

Anonymous said...

Glad to see all the flag waving freedom loving, get government out of our lives, americans support this, except when we want big daddy government to protect us.

They sell beer in Supermarkets in Pa already. No more an issue than if they sold it at Sheetz.

It's about personal responsibility.

Teach your children well.

Anonymous said...

I think it's a great idea!!

Anonymous said...

this is a bad idea. keep it the way it is. let the distributors handle it. keeps the prices down. we all know sheetz will mark it up for the "convenience"

Anonymous said...

Wow. You're idiots. All of you. Bible thumpin' idiots. God hates you.

Anonymous said...

I know for a fact that NY OHIO Mass and other states sell beer and wine in grocery and convienence stores and they don't ssem to have a problem. I know that a lot of people from out of state feels that Pa is in the dark ages in this factor.

Anonymous said...

All I see this accomplishing is making Mr. Sheetz richer & driving out the small local business man. So it will be one more empty building in every small town across PA. I agree kids & people who want to drink are going to find it one way or another. However, it will have an economic impact as I previously stated.

Anonymous said...

Yes clearly a quick search on DUI statistics by state proves that being able to buy alcohol any day of the week ups the risk of alcohol related death/dui example here: http://www.yaerd.org/State-Drunk-Driving-Statistics.htm


New york holds less than PA in both of the above examples and nearly every year if you care to actually look at the numbers on the MADD or use google for something other than searching your nearest "let the government control everything i do site"

Anonymous said...

The state will look at this as another cash cow! So get ready here it comes !

Anonymous said...

I love the idea if this goes through then the distributors will have to stop charging so much 24.50 is to much for a 30 pack when i can get the same thing in olean for 15.00

BeerDrinker31 said...

12:55 - It's going to make it easier for kids to get it how? First off, teenagers get beer, period. It doesn't matter where it's sold. Second, does NY state have a problem with rampant underage drinkers due to beer being sold in grocery stores and mini-marts? I've never heard of such a thing. You sound like you work for the goverment, possibly you own a distributor, or maybe you're one of those Holier Than Thou types who views people who consume beer as lesser evil scum. I agree completely with poster 1:05...if you're a drunk you always have booze no matter where and when it's sold. I like to drink a beer once in awhile and to be able to get it in the grocery store would be convenient. Not to mention an excercise of civil liberty, tax revenue, and enticement to some shoppers. Of course, I hope that if it's sold in the grocery store I can stop from drinking myself to death or going on that inevitable drunken rampage, running over people, and killing kittens. Try teaching your kids not to steal or attempt an underage purchase. It's called accountability and parenting. I'm sure all these underage kids who I see smoking have stolen or purchased the cigarette themselves. Sell beer in stores and hold the stores accountable for ID'ing the consumer. Drunks will be drunks, teenagers will be teenager, hypocrites will be hypocrites, and bad parents will be bad parents. All this happens despite where they sell beer. Rock on Sheetz!! BEER AT SHEETZ! BEER AT SHEETZ! BEER AT SHEETZ!

BeerDrinker31 said...

http://capwiz.com/sheetz/home/

The petition!

BeerForSheetz32 said...

I think its a great Idea !!!! I dont think the DUI rate or underage drinking rate went up in New York State or any of the other states for that matter.....You can Buy beer in anystore in New York state...What is the difference between a bar and getting beer at sheetz......Well heres the difference....The DUI rate will probably go down....Because people will be abel to get beer at sheetz take it home and drink it...Sheetz Isant going to have a Coors Light on the MTO List so you can order one for the ride home....You go to the bar they get you drunk and you drive home.....I think its a wonderful Idea and hopefully goes through...As for the underagers they are going to get beer wherever they can get it.....We were all kids once to.....I think the people on here that dont like the idea are local bar owners and the local distributors....But they will have to get over it........GO SHEETZ !!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...
Wow. You're idiots. All of you. Bible thumpin' idiots. God hates you."

God does not hate anyone, if He did hate anyone, why would He have given his Son's life for ours. What does "Bible thumpin' idiots and God" have to do with this story?

ECO said...

I am not a drinker and I live in Port Agony. Which has a store called Munchies, which sells food and alcohol. Why is sheetz offer so much different then Munchies? They are both convenient stores. I do not believe this would shut down local distributors do to the fact who would then supply sheetz with the beer? When you buy from a store you are only allowed to take so much out, say like a 12 pack at a time or maybe a 24 pack. A distributor you can carry case after case out. Kids would not have it no easier to get alcohol then they do now. The kids parents or older siblings are the usual buyers for them anyways. The Dui's well if you goto Sheetz to get Beer and Food where do you think the consumer would go? Probably usually home to sit down relax and watch some games. I have been to distributors in NY State and they seem to be doing pretty good on sales as for Tops being in the same area as one of them. I bet Sheetz would have Cameras on their Fridges that provide alcohol so they would have good surveillance on it. Another Sheetz is anal about checking Id for Tobbaco products so they prolly be more anal on id for alcohol. Look at it this way give it a shot then if you see a reason that it should not take place then vote against it.

Anonymous said...

"Bible Thumping Idiots?"

Nobody even mentioned the Bible until that point.

If you WANT a Bible thumpin', I'd be glad to give you one. ;)

BeerForSheetz32 said...

God is Great Beer is Good And People are Crazy.

Matt 7:2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Im not a Alcholic....But I like a case ever now and then....

Anonymous said...

Think of the tax revenue for our community. Sell it at Sheetz and the sales tax goes to Penna NOT New York.

Same goes for "other" things we purchase in Olean. The sales tax goes to New York NOT Penna.

Anonymous said...

I think it would be awsome if sheetz sold beer. For those of you that are against it, you must not know about the laws that govern the sales of alcohol. You can only sell it during certain hours of the day not 24/7

Anonymous said...

Yawn at 2:17

He created sin when he made the catch 22 tree that he knew Eve was going to eat from, and then watched humanity suffer for millions of years and instead of just changing the rule, he came to earth as a man who worked as a carpenter while convincing people he is the son of god (and also god) so that he could be killed to cleanse sin from man?

And this is the reason you think sheetz shouldn't sell beer?

Anonymous said...

no on beer thas dom

Anonymous said...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Sorry, but this was never even in the Hebrew translation of the bible. There was an in depth discussion about it on
NPR
if you are interested.

Basically, copies of the bible were previously made by scribes and this is believed to have been added to the bible by a scribe around 1500 or so.

I agree that it makes for a cool story, but it isn't the inerrant word of god.

Anonymous said...

I'm begining to think we all just a bunch of cowards who want to be taken care of.

we spout about free enterprise and loath government control, except when it suits us.

don't like it, don't buy it. don't let your kids buy it.

want to do something about, form a protest against the store, be willing to have your ass put in jail and judged by a jury of your peers.

Put something on the line and you might get something back.

The founding fathers would be proud of you.

Blog, write letters and email about your "issues" and you get butkis.

we get what we deserve, get use to it and stop whining.

Anonymous said...

Last year pa had 556 dui related deaths and ny had 483 dui related deaths some of the highest numbers in the states

Anonymous said...

Who brought Sheetz to Coudersport. Hang him!!!

Anonymous said...

2:48, go away! PLEASE, why everything is turned into an anti-Christ message from you is beyond me. Get over it! Some believe, and some do not. Give it up with the cheezy, re-hashed, fantasy bible world that you live in.

People that disagree with Sheetz selling beer has nothing to do with being a Christian. Find something better to do than to turn every discussion into your heckling!

It's silly that PA doesn't allow grocery/convenience stores to sell beer.

Anonymous said...

** yawn **

BeerForSheetz32 said...

Listen I go to Church and I dont need you or anybody else preaching to me.......But for who ever wrote
this........... ( Wow. You're idiots. All of you. Bible thumpin' idiots. God hates you.)

needs to live by this...

Matt 7:2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged


And for whoever wrote this........"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Sorry, but this was never even in the Hebrew translation of the bible. There was an in depth discussion about it on
NPR if you are interested.

Basically, copies of the bible were previously made by scribes and this is believed to have been added to the bible by a scribe around 1500 or so.

I agree that it makes for a cool story, but it isn't the inerrant word of god.


I WISH I COULD GET BACK THE 30 SECONDS OF MY LIFE THAT WAS WASTED READING THIS STUPID COMMENT..

Anonymous said...

Sheetz don't give a damn about providing beer......they just want the $$$$$$$$$$$$. If they could legally sell marijane and make money they would. That is capitalism and it should be allowed.

Anonymous said...

"this is a bad idea. keep it the way it is. let the distributors handle it. keeps the prices down. we all know sheetz will mark it up for the "convenience""

That's ridiculous. Half the people in northern PA go to NY to get beer b/c it's that much cheaper!!!

Aren't "distributors" supposed to sell to retail locations to then sell to the public anyway? Isn't that how 99% of everything else that is sold is handled?

So, why is beer different???

The only thing having these distributors with their limited hours accomplishes is putting more people on the road late at night on "beer runs to NY".

If you ask me, it'll decrease the number of DUI's in our area!

Anonymous said...

Personally I think it's retarded that if I want to buy beer at 8pm I have to go to a bar.

Yea, i drink beer. Maybe a case or two a month.

I also work til 8pm when the distributor is closed. So, if I want beer I have to go to a local bar which trust me sucks. I'd rather not associate with the people in these local bars, but what choice do I have if I want to go home and have a beer?

Beer is legal and it should be sold as such, just like everything else.

Anonymous said...

Lay off the bitter pills 2:48!

Anonymous said...

Folks, its all about money! If you think for a minute Sheetz or anybody else is concerned about seemingly arcane laws or public convenience forget it. If there was no profit in it they wouldn't give it a thought. Same with lawmakers, all they see is tax revenue. It aint' about you, its about them.

Anonymous said...

3:33

I don't see you complaining about the constant barrage of church postings, Dr Stanley prayers, and pro-religion messages that get posted. Only when they get heckled.

Do I sense a little bias?

Anonymous said...

Ha Ha 3:33!! I hear ya!! Nothing worse than a bitter athiest!! I'd much rather hear from a regular athiest! You know, the ones that are confident in their decisions about religon and are wise enough to know and respect that it's a personally decision for everyone! To each his own!! Poor fellow!!

Anonymous said...

"Who brought Sheetz to Coudersport. Hang him!!!"

I say kudos to Sheetz for running a sound business.

For you local yocal business owners this means real competition, of course you don't like it, but if you want to do something about it, then DO something about it.

Maybe you should take a look at what has made Sheetz successful and learn a thing or two.

It amazes me that you can walk into a business in Coudersport, be trampled by the business owner's dog, and then be stared at like you just broke into their house without a single, "can I help you".

If you want your business to succeed, then run it with the customer in mind.

The lack of simple courtesy within the local businesses in this area appalls me. Half the time I don't even get a "thank you" after spending my money at these fine establishments.

Anonymous said...

5:06 Bias?? No, just confident in myself and smart enough to know that if I'm not going to like the article, I skip over it! (you should try that with all those pro-religon posts that anger you!)

Your problem just might be that you need to stop hating so much. Just because some has a conservative oppinion doesn't mean that they are "Bible Thumpers!" Seriously, get over yourself!

Try a happy pill or something!! Better yet, stock up on all the beer that will be at Sheetz now!! whooohooo!

Anonymous said...

sell weed instead at least people would be home mellowed out with munchies instead of being drunk behind the wheel... the side affects to alcohol are far worse than the effects of marijuana.

Anonymous said...

so is this a discussion about sheetz selling alcohol or and online church?

Anonymous said...

Good for them

Anonymous said...

I firmly believe in a seperation of church and Sheetz!

Anonymous said...

Now what makes Sheetz think their gonna get this law changed? Are you kiddin? The State has a monopoly on this biz! They control the booze; sell the booze; tax the booze;arrest ya for the booze; put you in jail and/or fine you for the booze! Why would they want to give up a good gig like that?? But, really I think that the state should get out of the liquor dept. altogether and let private business sell it like most of the other states do. :/

Anonymous said...

6:08,

"I'm not going to like the article, I skip over it! (you should try that with all those pro-religon posts that anger you!)"

An obvious response is of course "you should do the same with the anti-religious posts that anger you"

You kind of walked into that.

I didn't make the "Bible thumpin' idiots" comment but I think its funny.

6:58
My guess is that it's conservative Christians who oppose the idea of Sheetz selling alcohol.

Someone actually said "I will no longer spend my money at Sheetz until they drop this campaign - this is obsurd"

This person votes!

Anonymous said...

Thay are already selling beer in supermarkets in Pa people!

Anonymous said...

good one 7:17

Anonymous said...

Sure, let Sheetz take away business from beer stores now. I don't even drink, but do have a problem with Sheetz.
They move into small towns and do one heck of a business, but do not really support the community they are taking from. They are very selective if they do donate at all.
Small businesses like the one we own get hit for donations all of the time and we try to give to everything that we can, especially service groups.
Sheetz is very lacks on giving and don't mind taking. They sure don't need the beer stores also.

Anonymous said...

They sell beer in the Sheetz down here in North Carolina. Gas stations in New York sell it, too. I don't think this will increase underage drinking, nor the availability of alcohol. People are going to drink when they want to drink no matter where the alcohol was purchased. I agree with Sheetz.

Anonymous said...

6:53 thank you i share your same views!!!!! and the people who are worried about children getting their hands on alcohol at a store...maybe you should talk to their parents..i know a lot of teenagers who's parents raised them right and wouldn't have a problem with it so go for sheetz!!!

Anonymous said...

Damn it !! there go's my idea for a topless drive thru beer distributor/bikini car wash in Coudy!Oh well maybe i can put it in Austin!

Anonymous said...

Serve beer at church -- see attendence go through the ceiling!!!

Anonymous said...

god is great beer is good and people are crazy .what is the difference? people will still drink their beer regardless of where it is purchased.i say go ahead and let sheetz sell it

Anonymous said...

7:39, One big problem here!! I didn't skip of this post (article) because it was anti-religon. Seems to me that you contributed into making it that. SOOOO, the point that my statement can go both ways?? Uh?!

"My guess is that it's conservative Christians who oppose the idea of Sheetz selling alcohol.

Someone actually said "I will no longer spend my money at Sheetz until they drop this campaign - this is obsurd"

Maybe, just maybe they have that view because of an accident that happened to a loved one. Maybe they think that way from growing up in an alcoholic home??

Thinking that way (which i don't) doesn't make them anti-beer at Sheetz because of religon!!

Get over it big guy!! For real!

Anonymous said...

I agree that stores should be permitted to sell beer. The downfall would be the loss of revenue to the local bar owner that relies on small package sells. If Sheets and other grocery stores are permitted to sell alchol the bar owners should be permitted to have a small games of chance license in order to compensate for the lost revenue. New York has Video Lottery in the bars so losing packaged beer was not a real impact for them. JMHO...

Anonymous said...

Fact - Sheetz or any other gas selling store, make less than 10 cents for every gallon sold, they make there money off selling subs, pop, hats ect.... now, think about the money they would bring in with the booze....

I would like a 12" sub with a case of BUD, oh and I put $58 on pump 2..... CHA-CHING$$$$$$. Like any other corporation, show me the money. I like the idea!

Anonymous said...

7:31

It is your position (not mine) that if I disagree with it, I should ignore it.

I have more of a "you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to disagree with it" view.

And yes, the idea that *I* should ignore things I don't agree with but you don't have to makes you a ...

On the subject, from Wikipedia on Dry counties
"The rationale for maintaining prohibition on the local level often is religious in nature"

These are not dry counties, but the idea of curbing the consumption of alcohol by making it less readily available is generally the same. A dry county resident can just drive to a wet county to purchase alcohol.

Anonymous said...

I don't really have any thoughts on sheetz selling beer, but I do take offense to ppl saying they do nothing for the town.. I personally know that they raise money each and every year for sheetz family christmas and other things for children.. ppl need to have facts before saying things about companies they know nothing about

Anonymous said...

all i want to know is what is the difference if u buy beer in the bars or at a distributor as to buying it in a store?? there is no difference..the underagers are still going to get it no matter where u buy it from..

Anonymous said...

If you don't pick up your beer when you fill up or pick up your sandwich you can stop down the road in either direction in Coudy and pick it up at the distributers, so what is the difference? It would be easier for the customer to do it all in one stop, ya know, kinda like Wal-Mart!

Anonymous said...

How can it be a good idea to sell beer at a "Gas Station" and then say "Don't drink and drive?" Likewise, being that alcohol is the MOST abused drug by HIGH SCHOOL students and adults for that matter, how is it a good thing to make its purchase more accessible? Frankly, if you need a drink so badly that you need to fight for this bad idea, you have a problem already.

Anonymous said...

So what you are saying 11:31 is that anyone that has a Conservative oppinion is a Christian. So rather than address whatever political difference there may be on an issue, you attack the religous belief that you assume that they have?

So am I to assume that all Liberals are Athiest, and condemn them for that in any discussion that happens on here or anywhere else? That would be narrow minded, eh?

Anonymous said...

3:42, of course there are exceptions, but from wikipedia on Christian Right

"right-wing Christian political and social movements and organizations characterized by their strong support of conservative social and political values"

They are tied closely enough that it isn't worth denying.

PS. I am mostly Libertarian, not Liberal. I tend to agree with most of Ron Paul's views if that is any point of reference.