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Friday, February 26, 2010

Potter County Looking At 109 Wind Turbines

Two Potter County Wind Energy Plans Moving Forward

winddddTwo large-scale industrial wind energy projects in northern Potter County are moving forward. Members of the Ulysses Township Board of Supervisors last week tabled action on a proposed “host community agreement” with AES Corporation. AES plans to build an industrial wind energy plant in Ulysses and Hector townships, leasing property from several landowners for construction of approximately 50 turbines.

Another company, the Chicago-based Invenergy, plans to build 59 wind turbines in Sweden, Allegany and western Ulysses townships. The turbines shown above are among those now in operation in the area of Bliss and Eagle in New York.

73 comments :

Anonymous said...

Ugly. Just plain out and out ugly.

Anonymous said...

must be 509 doesn,t have any land to lease. and all of the commissioners BS was a waste of taxpayers money. don,t send a boy to do a mans job.

Anonymous said...

Looks like a perfect spot for a tree stand!
Opps...Guess that would be turbine stand.

Anonymous said...

Where in allegany and ulysses are they planning on putting these windmills?

Anonymous said...

I think they look better than an ugly bellowing smoke stack of toxic pollution!

Anonymous said...

don't have to worry about what is being pumped into the ground and your water supply with wind turbines !!!!
read previous article
and all the issues with fracking the wells

Anonymous said...

I have been to see the armenia mt windfarm and i cant see what the big deal is, they are quit and quite impressive, maybe this will be a good thing.

Anonymous said...

The townships adopted there own ordnances. The county had a good ordnance that allowed these but made sure they would not be too awful for neighbors for noise and close to the border. When these go in you people in the townships will end up seeing how awful they are then you can blame your township supers not the county but it will be too late. A lot of people don't realize how big and loud they are. The information was there but you didn't bother to pay attention and now you'll see what your supers have done to you.

Anonymous said...

Does former Adelphia VP Mike Mulcahey have anything to do with these? He was found not guilty in the Rigas trial......

Anonymous said...

No uglier the cell towers, radio/tv towers, electric transformers, towers holding large electric lines across valleys. No uglier then the gawd-awful strips cut up and down all the hillsides.

Anonymous said...

This article is incorrect! If you call the Potter county planning commision Director, she should confirm that a map of the proposed Invenergy wind farm in Ulysses and Allegany township has been presented to them and shows 59 turbines, not 30!! Combine this with the AES proposal and it is a total of 109 turbines at this time.
The two combined wind farms will cover a rectangle of land approx. 16 miles long and 8 miles wide with turbines on most ridge tops of 2450 to 2500 ft. The turbines are going to be placed on the mountain ridges from Pusher siding road, to Bailey hill to the cushion hollow, to fox hill in Ulysses Township and from Cobb hill to the Dunn farm on the gross hollow road, to the Triple divide on John Toroks farm, to the Sweden hill hoad.
These turbines will be seen, by the dozens, from every road into the Ulysses area inclding the Northern Potter High School, Loucks mills road, fox hill, Rt 49 from ulysses to Colesburg, 449 from Rt 6 to Genesse, the rooks rd,the Morley road, Cobb hill road, Gazdad road, Ericson road, Cowburn Road, Horseshoe road, Gross Hollow road, North Hollow road and many, many more. As a matterr of fact the entire 109 turbines will be visible from the snowmobile culb on North Hollow road. These turbines stick above the tallest trees 9 times in height and because of the separation will require a red blinking light on each one.
The power will be sold to the large cities with no reduction in the local rates. It is also important to note that massive transmission lines will have to be built to transport this power and will be funded by your local electric company, raising you electric bills. The turbines them self are built with tax incentives and carbon credits. All this and they fail to produce 80% of the time.
Potter county will never be the same again. NEVER!!!

Go Green said...

"A lot of people don't realize how big and loud they are. The information was there but you didn't bother to pay attention"...

No, we went, we saw, we educated ourselves and we chose a different opinion than you, period!

Anonymous said...

Each of these massive wind turbines will be connected by a new access road cut into the mountains. These roads require switch backs to get to the top of the Hills. Accoding to the Wellsboro Sun Gazzet, the Armenia mountain wind farm had 25 miles of new access roads. The power is being sold to Ohio. Pennsylvania presently produces 30% more that it consumes.

Anonymous said...

There will be hundreds of homes and camps effected by these wind farms. Commonsence will tell you that several 430 ft high wind turbines with 300 ft long (total length) swrilling blades will not make your property more valuable or out side life more pleasent.
It is one thing to drive and view a wind farm, but we are talking about 24/7/365 for the rest of your life. They will never come down even after they are junk.

Anonymous said...

These big white dinosaurs are SO retro but you are going to be stuck with them now. Nice going township supervisors. You really blew this one. TBone Pickins walked away from these after his big public relations campaign and now he is putting his bucks on natural gas, baby. These relics are going up because Fast Eddie Rendell gave out tax breaks and the feds handed out Santa Claus gifts from the stimulus to build wind turbines. You can look it up. What a tragic mis-step this is for these townships.

Anonymous said...

6:40 SO SO TRUE!

Anonymous said...

Maybe we can have the smoke from the outdoor wood burners exhausted up to the wind turbines. That way everyone can smell the trash and rubbish being burned in all of the outdoor wood burners.

Anonymous said...

to 6:o4
guess you would rather see a big drilling rig pumping who knows what into the ground and your drinking water so they can keep raising the price of gas, first to cover the expenses for drilling,
2nd to cover the cost of lawsuits
for health issues caused by pumping
whatever into the ground and the water supply

Anonymous said...

The potter county today site that posted this article has been updated to show the correct 59 total. Invenergy 59, AES 50 = 109.
Once these wind companys find we are willing to be an industrial dump, 109 will be just the begining.

Anonymous said...

gov says fracking is perfectly safe.

so did Toyota - nuff said.

Anonymous said...

Too bad the "community" didn't know about it. Oh, that's right, you have to be on the board or related to know anything about the community meetings. Oh yeah, they're the quiet meetings that happen around here.

Anonymous said...

It is 59 not 30 windmills in the Invergy plan. It got changed on Potter County Today. Windmills and gas wells will be everywhere. Good bye Gods Country!

Anonymous said...

Besides all the Santa Claus tax gifts from the state tax breaks and the stimulus don't forget that they carved out exemption from real estate tax and they don't have to pay Clean and Green rollbacks. A stacked deck! I believe in the free market economy and these things are so ridiculously impractical in a real economic structure. It's all about the government greasing the skids to bring these in. That even goes back to the mamufacturers who have a sweetheart deal (Gamesa) with Pennsylvania. This is a sham. I cannot believe we were so dumb as to let this happen.

Anonymous said...

SOLAR BABY SOLAR!

Anonymous said...

Breaking News:

Potter County is full of Dildines.

Anonymous said...

Notice how the Potter County Today website DOES NOT allow comments.

Guess they are afraid of the hell the public would raise.

Anonymous said...

Once again, look at the picture!
There is only 4 turbines shown. We are talking 109 of these monsters. I can't believe anybody would think this is good for potter county.

Anonymous said...

People talk like there was a choice on how to destroy potter county:
wind turbines
gas wells
nuclear power plants
pig farms

We don't have to choose! We don't have to destroy this county!

98% of the people will only loose!
Why give up this beautiful area for such a small thoughtless, greedy few!!

Anonymous said...

I am very sad that life as i know it will be so terribly altered this year. The recession has made so many people here desparate that they are letting greed override common sense. I am not affraid of change or opposed to improvement. I just dont think this is going to improve anyones life here. As of right now for the first time in 30 years i dont want to live here anymore.

Anonymous said...

No potter county today is much smarter.....they report the news... not the gossip..

donny gilliland and jim jones should have taken a page out of their book!

Anonymous said...

10:38 poster, 98 percent of the people will lose. Where do you get your facts.

I support natural gas, wind and solar. I would rather see a wind turbince out my window than give the radicals from the middle east more of my money.

This not in my back yard attitude will not only keep us dependent on extremists, it will also cost the US millions monetarily and the thousands of jobs that go along with it.

WAKE UP

Anonymous said...

2012 BABY 2012!!!

get all the gusto while you can!!!

Anonymous said...

"The turbines are going to be placed on the mountain ridges"

Well then this should make a lot of people happy as I doubt your back yard or house is too close to a mountain ridge!

"Oh yeah, they're the quiet meetings that happen around here."

Sorry you missed the meeting advertisement, it was advertised, too bad you did not pay attention and are now bad mouthing local people.

As far as meetings private land owners had with this company, they are the private land owners not you!

Anonymous said...

10:55 PLEASE...I beg you LEAVE! Take all these other flatlander idiots with you!!

Anonymous said...

Don't like it, don't read it! You're problem solved! Brad

Anonymous said...

"I am not affraid of change or opposed to improvement."...Really? Or do you mean the change and improvement YOU SEE FIT? And what might that be?

Anonymous said...

One single turbine can produce enough electicity to power 250 to 500 homes. Two or three near each Potter County town would be enough to make us energy independent. Add a small County "gas" tax to natural gas drillers and we could all be going to Salamanca every night and coming home to a warm home. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

Anonymous said...

Please, please, please...would someone explain to me (and others I am sure) exactly what the word dildine means...I am new to Solomon's word and see that it is listed numerous times in different blogs...I am only guessing that it means stupid..ugly...dumb...or your must be a redneck if you use dildine in your sentences...regularly? thanks for the information. a new reader.

Joe Blow said...

"The recession has made so many people here desparate that they are letting greed override common sense.The recession has made so many people here desparate that they are letting greed override common sense."

Breaking news people!!! All of this stuff was coming down the pike and being planned well beforre the economoic woes hit the country. Don't even blame it on that. People are generally greedy no matter what the economy is anyway.

Anonymous said...

What a shame. These big energy companies (wind and gas) are exploiting us dumb, hillbilly, Potter Cty residents for precious natural resources, to which we will benefit nothing. We are so ignorant.

Anonymous said...

I guess if people don't like the turbines being put up, they should have made substantial offers for the land and then done with it what they choose. I believe that we live in The United States, and that means that there still remains the right of the individual land owners to do what they want to their land, as long as it is legal. I have no vested interest one way or the other, just trying to figure out why people are so concerned with what their neighbors are doing. If you don't like it, take up a collection and buy them out.

Anonymous said...

A dildine is a man who tasers his mother, somebody said. I think it is just a slang word for somebody who is ignorant or rude. The students at sporting events like to chant the word especially in Couderport. So a person who would lease land for a windmill even if the noise hurt his neighbors health and quality of life would be a dildine for sure.

Anonymous said...

"One single turbine can produce enough electicity to power 250 to 500 homes."

These figures are given out by the wind companys. They are base on a wind at max power blowing approx 27 miles per hour 24/7/365. It does not! They make no power in winds less than 8 miles per hour. In other words they only produce approx 20% of the time!! The two hundred homes per turbine is reduced to 40 homes and then only if the wind is blowing. Man can not, nor will he ever make the wind blow. Wind turbines disrupt the grid by their eradic power production and when they are not turning they must be backed up 100% by conventional power plants.
The other point that is made over and over is that electric in the US is not produced by oil!!!
Wind turbines will do nothing to get us free of foreign oil!!

Really? said...

Wind turbines will do nothing to get us free of foreign oil...

Really? One can heat his home with electric generated from a wind turbine verses heating oil, now where does that oil come from?!

10:08:00 AM -- You are so right!

Anonymous said...

i have tried to give the dictionary deffinetion to dildine with no avail

Joe Bob the redneck said...

The majority of our electricity is produced by coal fired power plants.....

Anonymous said...

I believe Mr. Hoopes from Ulysses is getting turbines on his property and he is a township supervisor. Hmmmmm! So rumor has it.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Hoopes is in conflict with the best interests of Ulysses Township...He should not vote on this issue. Nor should Mr. Seely as, I believe, his wife's relatives have business dealings with Invenergy...So..Legally Ulysses Township APPEARS to have two Supervisors who cannot vote.
So how do they get two votes?

Anonymous said...

I too, don't agree that the published production of the windmills is what the manufacturer states, however...

Don't people have the right to use their land as they wish???

Some people are mentioning the quality of life issues caused by these. I don't understand, I have stood close to these types of windmills on a windy day and only heard a little whirring. Plus I most likely don't have access to the land that these are going onto (windmill or not).

Noisy, rusted pickups with mo exhausts and wooden beds, Logging and mining tractor trailers speeding down the roads, stinky garbage burning smoke from fires and chimneys, groundwater contamination from drilling. Government intrusion of our rights and freedoms. It seems that these are issues would have more impact to the quality of life in the area.

When life hands you lemons, make lemonade. It seems like we should use initiatives like these to find ways to improve our local economy and make this a viable to live and support a family and also have services that are needed.

Pick your battles wisely.

Just my .02

Anonymous said...

Oh, why don't all of you "Experts" get a life? Or a job? Or maybe volunteer your services somewhere and do something useful for a change besides get on here and spout off about stuff that most of you don't even have a clue about? Jeezy Weezy.
Give everybody a break.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 12:55. These experts who ignorantly assume these things are just fine and quiet and not a problem need to get a life. I respect the ones who take the time to inform themselves on the negative aspects of these machines. There are many negatives indeed. So your comment makes a lot of sense. Some of the township supervisor think they are experts enough to cast votes without researching.

Go Green said...

11:24:00 AM
FYI Jim & Sandy had signed leases before he was VOTED in as a twp. supervisor.

This was no big secret because if memory serves it was posted right here on this site all the names of the people that leased out their land for turbines.

Most of the voters in Ulysses township knew this before voting him in, are you from this township? Did you run for the seat he won?!

11:58:00 AM
And you need to get off your high horse. If you have a bone to pick with Jim or Claude I suggest you man up and call them both! I am sure they would enjoy the call. No, you won't do that though will ya?! Easy to bash people on here than face them with how you REALLY feel!

Anonymous said...

Man do I see a generation gap. 6:30 is so right. Get with the program. I am supposed to do with my land what I want to. If I want to but 60 wind turbines and 10 gas wells and an out door burner on my land I should be able to. Hitler isn't here yet. I think most of the people complaining and are not in the right year don't even own land and are jealous of the ones that do. This is 2010 not 1800's I think the turbines are a good thing and also the gas drilling. I wish I had enough land to put them on. I also have a out door wood and coal burner and it takes alot of work to get the wood cut and split it. Maybe if some of you would get to work you wouldn't have time to complain of progress.

Anonymous said...

Okay 2:41 so based on what you say, I could build a dam on "my land" and then release all the water to flood your house, right?
I could dump toxins in the soil and let it leach into your drinking water, right?
I could set up my drum set just to my side of the property line and invite Ringo Starr to come and pound away all night long?
Yep. It's "my land." No laws should interfere with my right to HURT YOU because it's "my land."
Right?

Anonymous said...

"No laws should interfere with my right to HURT YOU because it's "my land.""

There is NO LAW that is preventing these wind turbines from being installed, that is the point!

Anonymous said...

... there is no law preventing stupid people either

Anonymous said...

3:04 that's right.
No law requiring the landowners who have leased to the energy companies to give a hoot about their neighbors.
The township supervisors dropped the ball.
You know what a "host community agreement" is?
It's a payoff by these energy companies to persuade the township supervisors to pass weak regulations so they can put the giant turbines wherever they want to.
"Host community agreement." The name says it all. Hosting these things.
Politics at its worst.

Anonymous said...

"It's a payoff by these energy companies"

I recall this type of hype in the past and ya know what? NO ONE HAS PROVED IT, fingers were pointed at Mr. Kosa and remarks were made he was paid off by this company, where is the proof? Put up or shut up!

Anonymous said...

No, a payoff to the township, not an illegal bribe. You know, an "incentive" to make the supervisors forsake their responsibility to protect their citizens. No one has been accused to taking a personal bribe, just falling for the "incentives" to be a "host community."

Anonymous said...

To 2:49 You can do all these things if you have good insurance and I'm sure your neighbor wouldn't mind getting new things One question? Do you know anyone now days that really cares about their neighbor????Now days it's get them first before they get you

Anonymous said...

11:25 has just defined how some people view their responsibilities to their fellow man.
It's all about the money.

Anonymous said...

you talk about a payoff to the townships whitch i doubt,but i don,t see any of you brainless demorats bitching about the slimeball dogsh-- so called president bribing state senators to pass his worthless health care bullshi- bill that will cost taxpayers trillions in taxes.

mrsmlyoung said...

Hey 7:10

This Flatlander left Potter Co. after 23 years. So I'm one less you have to get rid of. I also get a kick out of reading everyones comments. They crack me up. Can't wait to here what you say when those turbines crank up. You won't be able to hear yourself think inside your house let alone sit outside. My friend in Ohio would like to thank you for having those turbines in your Co. He said he didn't want those god awful looking, noisy things in his back yard.
And remember if the wind don't Blow the lights won't Glow!
Mark Young
Lancaster Pa.

Oldtimer said...

I am older then 1/2 of you people. The only thing going for me is the fact that I will be dead when it comes time for the rest of you to clean up the aftermath.

Anonymous said...

Property values will be reduced..
and property taxes will need to be readjusted down...so the townships will loose money and the county will loose money and I bet homes
will be abandomed...possibly not
paid for...just abandoned. It's going to be like the wild west so that a few can make some poorly
conceived decisions to do what they want to their land. If my dog barked..barked...there would be complaints..my dog, my property..
insane.

Anonymous said...

there is a fault line that runs through Pennsylvania. maybe we'll have an earthquake and all the wells and turbines will be goobled up...along with the greedy.

Anonymous said...

11:02:00 AM
Please put down the Kool-Aid!

And to Mark Young, glad the door did not hit you in the backside on your way out!

9:50:00 AM You are soooooo right!

Anonymous said...

Look at all the COWARDS there are. These other land owners stayed in hiding while Jim Hoopes took a beating over the last few years. Now they want in!! What COWARDS they have been.
Yaw, but they have been like that for years.

Anonymous said...

5:10:00 PM
I agree with your post but one thing about it, I have known Jim Hoopes for years and guess what? He has broad shoulders and can take it!

You go Jim, glad for you and your effort, now it will hopefully pay off for ya!

Anonymous said...

People, show up, or shut up, I have not seen one twp. resident with a complaint at one of our twp. meetings. No ordinance has been adopted YET ! now is your chance, Allegany Twp. meetings, wed. & Thurs. nights MAR.3&4 . I know,you might miss American Idol, but this is our future ? If you are missinformed, I feal soory for you, but now U have no excuse, you have been invited !

Anonymous said...

... American Idol. Good one! Most people have TiVo or a VCR. Record it.

Standing room only might put a bit of fear in some of these "I'm gonna pass this come hell or high water" people.

Anonymous said...

I don't want to demean Mr.Hoopes, but why should it 'pay off for ya' be the path our township takes
or our country for that matter.
Aren't energency policy issues
a bit more vital than people leasing land to make a dollar and giant conglomerates wasting our tax dollars to envelope the country side. IS THAT REALLY THE ENERGY POLICY WE WANT.

Think about it...is anyone here
really equipped to make these rough decisions without an education before hand in energy?

This is a heavy issue..no one in this county knows the issues on the table and the people who
are concerned are laughed at.
They are laughed at because they are afraid of a 450 foot structure and more towering over their homes.

Homes represent our dollar earned in a lifetime..this is our security...our comfort, our safety net...it is being threatened...
and who really cares.

This is should be a plan to help all of the residents of Potter County...we should all be protected.

NO? We all pay our taxes and try very hard to be good citizens and good neighbors..

If we are afraid of them..and don't believe in them..up close and intimate with our homes..
SHOULD WE NOT BE SAFE??????

Think about it fairly and honestly.
We each have our land to protect and we want to protect our homes.
That's an American privilege.

NO??

Anonymous said...

"but why should it 'pay off for ya' be the path our township takes"

Nice try!

Mr. Hoopes did not just make this decision on the fly or after becoming a twp. supervisor!

Mr. Hoopes invested his hard earned money many moons ago in his land and has been looking into this type of energy since the early 2000's. So jump off your "soap box" will ya?!

I hardly think anyone's home will be too close to these turbines!