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Friday, February 4, 2011

Potter County Advisory Board To Meet Friday

County Criminal Justice Panel To Convene On Friday

February 3rd, 2011

crimjusticeMembers of the Potter County Criminal Justice Advisory Board (CJAB) will meet on Friday afternoon to continue work on a strategic plan and hear more information about Teen Challenge. The board consists of many of those who are involved in criminal justice, including the judge, district attorney, public defender, magisterial district judges, commissioners, sheriff/jail warden, probation department, human services, law enforcement and others.

During a workshop in October, CJAB members identified three priority issues that should be addressed by a comprehensive action plan: drug abuse, mental health issues and recidivism. Findings from the October session will be discussed at Friday’s meeting.

Board members will also hear from Kurt Tarkington, director of the Teen Challenge induction center in Western New York. Teen Challenge is an alternative rehabilitation program. Its mission is: “to provide youth, adults and families with an effective and comprehensive Christian faith-based solution to life-controlling drug and alcohol problems in order to become productive members of society. By applying biblical principles, Teen Challenge endeavors to help people become mentally sound, emotionally balanced, socially adjusted, physically well, and spiritually alive.”

38 comments :

Anonymous said...

Uh-oh (last paragraph).
Do NOT use my tax dollars for this program.
Signed,
A devout Christian who respects the separation of Church and state

Anonymous said...

Better yet...this group could be a good candidate to lease the Northern Tier Children's Home facility - hope someone is pursuing this opportunity.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Uh-Oh! Just do a Google search for instance enter the words "Teen Challenge fraud." As for the Childrens' Home, forget about the buildings and property and take a look at the multimillion's dollars endowment fund invested from the old Childrens' Home. That's where the real action is.

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me.I would think we should be open to ANYTHING that could help these people. drugs and alcohol are a BIG problem in this area. this might not be for everyone. but, it might work for some. so I say lets give it a try. I wonder why some are so closed minded about some things.

Anonymous said...

I am thinking of the people whose lives could be saved by a program like Teen Challenge. Let's not forget them!

Anonymous said...

Faith-based should not be the direction the select. While the county group's intent is very valid, "Teen Challenge" is not the way to go.

Anonymous said...

We need to try what has worked for others. This method has shown it can reduce recidivism & if implemented will save the county MONEY.
No need to reinvent another scheme.

Anonymous said...

READ the Constitutuion, there is NOTHING in there that says "seperation of church and state".

Anonymous said...

It's very simple.
Teen Challenge and faith-based rehabilitation might be an option for some of the addicted if and only if it is funded privately.
If public funds are expended for this, there will be some very serious consequences.
I will say for the record that I see a value in Teen Challenge, with its indoctrination and force-feeding of Biblical, Christian concepts which the clients are not permitted to question. Perhaps it is the only hope some of them have for salvation and turning their lives around.
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, out of respect for the separation of church and state and the recognition that government should not put its endorsement on one form of religious faith over another (or of no religious faith), I ask Potter County to please not go there with my tax dollars.
I suspect that the vast majority of Potter County residents and I would say even the vast majority of Potter County Christians (such as me) agree with what I have written here and as taxpayers would like the line to be drawn right there (tax dollars).

Anonymous said...

"No need to reinvent another scheme."

What the heck does that mean?

Anonymous said...

Okay 12:16 if you must...the specific words are not in the constitution. Since you want to split hairs, let's go back to our 7th grade civics class:

"Under the United States Constitution, the treatment of religion by the government is broken into two clauses: the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. Both are discussed in regard to whether certain state actions would amount to an impermissible government establishment of religion."

Spending taxpayers' money on a Christian/Bible-based indoctrination program such as Teen Challenge, an Assembly of God ministry, is clearly an "impermissible government establishment of religion."

Are we really so backwards and uneducated around here that we even need to be debating this?

Anonymous said...

A reality check, please:
Who is proposing spending taxpayers' dollars on this?
Right now I see people getting their panties in a wedgie over nothing.

Anonymous said...

Well this sounds like a terrible initiative.

I consider myself a Christian, however I'm scared to death of what some Christians consider great ideas... as if they themselves know the will of God, or that somehow blind faith and love will fix all of life's problems.

As a youth I had many issues. Looking back the smartest thing I ever did was keep many of my problems a secret from my fundamentalist and detached-from-reality parents. They screwed my brother up so bad he'll never live a normal life. Convinced everything he does he is falling short of glory and should be ashamed of himself.

And they did it all with the best intentions and at the support and guidance of several area religious and school leaders.

I kept my problems a secret from them, and fortunately I was lucky enough to age and mature to be able to address my issues myself, responsibly, with REAL solutions and honest non-judgmental friends that I could relate to. The worse thing for a kid is to be labeled as "troubled" as any hopes of a normal life goes out the window, and you become some self righteous ninny's project to "fix".

I hope those that run this program understand many of the "bad" things youth get into are NORMAL. ABNORMAL IS NORMAL. Though I'm concerned it's another onward christian soldiers trying to make real families and teens conform into some Leave it to Beaver / Waltons ideal that doesn't actually exist ANYWHERE.

I hope my taxes don't get used for this, because this looks like what started out as a good idea and turned into someone else's crusade.

Anonymous said...

A reality check:
You are on the Internet, please go do some research. You will realize this teen challenge thing is a way to milk taxes out of counties and government.
If the local government around here would just do some research, we wouldn't be doomed to repeat the same mistakes that other counties have made...I mean unless you want a Jesus camp that makes our youth blindly believe in whatever these "counselors" spew out...makes them do mandatory work for no pay (that Teen Challenge profits from) and tells them it is an offering to the Lord...or better yet if the youth is on SSI, etc they will pay monthly housing allowance to Teen Challenge. If that's what you want...by all means...get them in here ASAP.
-Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Commissioner Kefover and Potter County Human Services, not to mention, "some" of the law enforcement agencies have been diligent in their pursuance of thei "faith" based program. This Commissioner needs a reality check for sure! Don't tell ME this program isn't going to cost SOMEBODY SOMETHING! Wasn't born yesterday and I don't believe a word of it. I too, have checked into this program - a fool is born every day. Northern Tier Children's Home became a hell house for delinquents. Now the shools send these kids to the new Courthouse buildig - and that's where they are schooled. Talk about getting a building for nothing and loading it up with IU9 kids the schools can't handle. At least Dickinson Mental Health is close by - like the entire third floor of our County building.

Josie said...

Poster 3:28 PM: I know that this is off the subject but how do you know that the Northern Tier Children's Home became a "hell house for delinquents " ? I am just curious.

Anonymous said...

I guess I am missing something. I know Dickinson is renting out a portion of the county building and there are classrooms that the schools are renting out too. This money helps cover the costs at the building for maintenance, heating, cleaning and so on, right? Is there something wrong with that? Should I instead want to have my taxes going up to pay for the building maintenance, heating, cleaning and so on?

Anonymous said...

If they found a way to prevent teens from "going bad" and put it into play, they would cut their own throats. There would be no need for jails, probation departments, courts, judges, lawyers, police, etc. Heaven forbid the world would be a better place and these people out of a good paying job.

Anonymous said...

do an internet search people! This is a horrible program. They have been accused of major abuse of children.

Anonymous said...

Caution: do not trust internet searches (see "tree octopus"; ha ha ha).
Maybe Teen Challenge can save a life. If it is not taxpayer money (and I think it is not taxpayer money) then I have no problem with this as an option if it will help even one person.

Anonymous said...

Someone knows something about the First Amendment - maybe just enough to be dangerous. The "establishment clause just says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Since what's being discussed has nothing at all to do with Congress nor establishing a religion, it does not pertain.

Anonymous said...

The constitutional clause has been bent by liberals to mean there can be no religion in any govt thought, word, or deed. Its originally meant there would be no state religion(like the Church of England) It never excluded religious expression or recognition of God. The entire selection of early american statesmen writings(including the Counstitution) acknowleged a huge trust and faith in God.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, 9:25.
"Establishment" of a religion does not mean to "invent" or "start" a religion.
Establishment in this context is to use the power of government in supporting one faith, such as Christianity, at the exclusion of another.
An example would be, for instance, if a Christian-based drug rehab organization was paid with taxpayer dollars. That would be inappropriate.

Anonymous said...

It's not just "liberals" (whatever that means) that have tried to distort the Constitution. Do not confuse religion/faith with one specific religion, such as Judaism, Buddhism or Christianity.
If you happen to be a Christian -- and I have no way of knowing -- would you have any problem with the judge sentencing a criminal with addiction problems to a Muslim-based rehab center and paying for it with your tax dollars?

Anonymous said...

"would you have any problem with the judge sentencing a criminal with addiction problems to a Muslim-based rehab center and paying for it with your tax dollars?"

AWESOME POINT! The County is really walking a scary, scary line with proposing this program. This County is so hillbilly backwards it is unbelievable!

Anonymous said...

You do realize that the juvenile that is placed into this program must agree to it! This is not "forced" on anyone! This program is reviewed by the juvenile, his family, and his attorney.

There are several rehabilitation programs that are reviewed for teens. Military, drug programs, scared straight programs...

Why do these things get converted into state, religon, muslim, christian, forcing and tax dollars?? Learn about the program and the truth about how it's issued before you spend so much intellect on the issue, you could save some un-needed concerns!

Again, this program would be at the juveniles choice.... It's funny that Potter County is hillbilly because we add more programs, more options for kids? What's hillbilly is being so simpleminded that you can't grasp common sense and know about an issue before opening your senseless trap?! That's SCARY!!!

The answer is simple: If you do not have a christian faith and are given options for helping your child through a drug addiction or through the juvenile system this would not be an option for you and you SIMPLY move along to the next program!

Anonymous said...

Okay, 1:19.
So, should I demand that the county present me with Muslim rehabilitation, Jewish rehabilitation, Buddhist rehabilitation and other religious-based rehabilitation too, or is the county "establishing" the Christian rehabilitation as the only religious option?

Anonymous said...

I think I can put some peoples' fears to rest.
I saw one of our Commissioner's at Sheetz this afternoon. I asked him about this.
He said that the county is not involved in Teen Challenge financially and never will be. No tax dollars going to it. He said they do not even accept tax dollars or insurance company dollars.
Right now the judge, the DA and the defense lawyers might look at Teen Challenge for a person who is really open to a Christian program that lasts 14 months to get their life turned around from drug addiction or alchoholism.
But he said the program is very selective about who they take and there is no charge to the county if there ever is someone from here who goes to Teen Challenge. That money comes from the criminal themselves or from other people who might want to help out.
Really that is a pretty through answer about it and the talk about county tax dollars going to a religious group does not apply.

Anonymous said...

Demand whatever the hell you want 2:18?!

The majority of those in this Country that practice a faith are Christian.

This program was started by a Christian.

If you think that the muslims in POTTER COUNTY need a muslim based teen organization then go ahead and get that ball rolling....

At the end of the day the County doesn't have to present you with anything! Although in your case, may I suggest a common sense rehabilitation program?! They help one idiot at a time!

Anonymous said...

I take it you're not a Christian 2:18?! So which one are you?? Muslim, Buddist, Jewish, or just Stupid??

Anonymous said...

Game, set, match to 2:18!!
But I think 3:11 is the last word and we have a basic non-issue here.
Time to bring down the dill dine on this string.

Anonymous said...

There is a juvenile facility in PA that teaches teens by using the principals of Native Americans, I guess we should demand that they also include the principals of the Pilgrims as well?? Yup, that makes sense right 2:18.

This is America, if the founder of this program is Christian (yes, I said that dirty word that causes so much trouble) then he is allowed to base his program on that! Again, since this is America, if a Teen chooses to pay for time at that program he has that option.

If we need another program based on other religons then get off you ass 2:18 and start that yourself.

This isn't a forced program it's an option (yes, another word that is forgotten by so many....to include 2:18) and we as Americans should be glad and proud that our kids have places to go to heal themselves and fight through their problems.

Anyone see the answer here: America, options, choices, allowed....

2:18, did you know that America does have rehabilitation programs that base their facility on Jewish beliefs??

Anonymous said...

I sit hear scratching my head about if there is even an issue to be discussing.
There's no tax dollars going to it, right?
So if that is the case then I don't think anyone who has written a post here including the 2:18 person has a problem with it.
The end!
(Can I hear you say "amen"?)

Anonymous said...

Wait 5:23!! Are you suggesting that we are all "Christians" when you ask for an Amen?!

May I include Allahu Akbar so that Muslim bloggers are not offended?

We must make sure that all religous options are met!

Anonymous said...

Tax dollars or not, it looks like a Christian group is the only one with big enough balls to try and tackle a growing issue in our society.

Anonymous said...

6:38:00 PM
Ha ha good one, because we all know every other country bows to our religious needs as well.....Ha Ha good one, that is why we are in the boat we are in now.

Anonymous said...

who is bowing to anything?! what boat?? the love boat?? sign me up!!

Anonymous said...

Like the one person wrote yesterday, time for the DILDINE!