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Thursday, November 14, 2013

BOY SCOUT CHARTER FOR MILLPORT TROOP #558 DISSOLVED OVER NEW BSA RULING

BOY SCOUT CHARTER FOR MILLPORT TROOP #558 DISSOLVED OVER NEW BSA RULING

By Monica Thomas

An anonymous note was left on my door about a startling decision made by the Oswayo Valley Rod & Gun Club.

The club has decided not to re-charter the Millport Boy Scout Troop #558. There upon disbanding Boy Scouts in the Oswayo valley. The decision to not re-charter the group that runs from fiscal year February- February was voted on recently at the clubs monthly meeting. The current scout masters will be retiring as of December 2013, a decision made back in March of this year. Yet, only a month and a half ago the standard paperwork of the original group had been okay and signed by the charter representative of the rod and gun club Scott Gustin and forwarded onto the Allegheny Highlands Council of Falconer, New York. So this surprising decision was a shock to the scouting organization on the 3rd of November 2013 at the regular open meeting of the Rod & Gun Club.

Millport Troop # 558 had been in existence for 49 years, Vic Fosmer stated, "he was a charter member of that group and the Scout Master was Lynn Kemp. Vic succeeded Lynn when he retired and Shawn Metcalf became the Scout Master when Vic retired five years ago. Originally the Millport group accepted members who lived outside of the Shinglehouse borough so that an in-town Scout Troop would exist. With the town group’s disbandment several years ago, the Millport Troop has been accepting boys from all over the valley including Shinglehouse for boy scouting opportunities."

With the un-chartering of Millport Troop #558, a new charter was set in motion the next day by the Shinglehouse Fire Department, they will be the new charter holder for Shinglehouse Troop #557. This new troop will inherit the history of the old Shinglehouse Troop #557 that disbanded several years ago. The Fire Department has been a charter holder before and chose to do so again, there were no negative votes cast in this decision. Shawn Shelp will be the new Scout Master and Bill Simpson his assistant. The paperwork has been sent to the Allegheny Highlands Council in Falconer, NY for the establishment of this troop.

Todd Peine, Senior District Executive of Allegheny Highlands Council and Robert Morris came to the meeting on November 3rd to explain the changes of the Boy Scouts new charter rules that come into effect as of January 1, 2014. The following membership standard for youth members of the Boy Scouts of America is hereby adopted and approved, effective Jan. 1, 2014:

Youth membership in the Boy Scouts of America is open to all youth who meet the specific membership requirements to join the Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, Sea Scout, and Venturing programs. Membership in any program of the Boy Scouts of America requires the youth member to (a) subscribe to and abide by the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law, (b) subscribe to and abide by the precepts of the Declaration of Religious Principle (duty to God), and (c) demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others and is consistent at all times with the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.

The Boy Scout Oath reads: On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. Vic stated that he believes, “this oath has been interpreted in ways it was not intended to be and it saddens him to see the Charter for the Millport Troop #558 dissolved."

Although 20-30 people were present at the meeting there were only 10 eligible voters present when a vote was asked about continuing the Boy Scout Charter. The voting results were 6 voted to disband and give up being the charter holder of the Boy Scouts and 4 to keep the troop together.

Voting status is determined by the following rule. You must attend six functions throughout the year to be eligible, this was set into place to safe guard their treasury, yet was it used to gain a special interest?

Still up in the air and something that was not voted on in the meeting is what will happen to the equipment and assets that belong to the troop. Though the scouts are not the owners, the boys have worked hard to fundraise for the equipment and many donations have been made to the group. Unfortunately possession of these assets and the equipment belongs to the charter holder. In this case the Oswayo Valley Rod and Gun Club.

What is being asked about are the records of finance of the troop and individual troop members ledgers showing monies the boys have towards camps and etc. The records also that maintain where the boys are in their scouting advancement endeavors, so they can continue on to meet their goals. Items include all of the scouting and camping equipment along with the Boy Scout trailer that is licensed to the Scout Master for insurance purposes and has been handed down from Scout Master to Scout Master in the interest of the troop so they're may store their equipment and use it for events. The next OPEN meeting of the Oswayo Valley Rod & Gun Club is December 1, 2014 at 6:00 pm. it should be an interesting one. For more information on the local scouting groups see www.alleghenyhighlands.org.

30 comments :

Anonymous said...

to God and my country
and morally straight

enough said.

Anonymous said...

yep...nuff said...my thoughts exactly...

Anonymous said...

Morally straight, God, Reverent, Obedient. All words that don't mix with the new guidelines the BSA has adopted. They fought the fight as long as they could. But again satan has found another decent organization to destroy. That's alright though, vengeance is mine saith the Lord. America is about to hit the bottom of this slippery slope and it's not going to be pretty. History again repeating itself.

Anonymous said...

Hey why don't we check the ages of the people that voted to get rid of the troop. From my understanding there was a child there that couldn't even write his name but because his father had brought him to all the meetings, He was allowed to vote . REALLY you must be a proud dad. Your probally braging to your buddies what a big thing you done. What a crock. Who are we really hurting,I think it's about time you idiots grow up. Wonder if " THEY" would hire ANY of these boys to work at the block plant !!!!

Anonymous said...

First two posts are pathetic!

Anonymous said...

How narrow minded these folks are. It is sad when they close up the troop rather than abiding by the rules. They, apparently, don't care who they hurt. WWJD... I think Jesus would be much more loving and accepting than these unchristan people.

Anonymous said...

How narrow minded these people are. They would close this down rather than abide by a new ruling. WWJD...
Jesus would be more loving and accepting of these young people. There people are self centered and hateful. I hope what goes around comes around.

Anonymous said...

As a former Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Explorer, Cub Master and District Representative, I say from experience that doing my duty to God and my country and keeping myself morally straight has little to do with my sexual preference. It has more to do with my active participation in the affairs of my country and trying my best to live by the tenets set forth my all of the major religious faiths of the world. These tenets are best exemplified when I treat my fellow inhabitants of this planet with dignity and respect, no matter their race, creed color, gender, economic station or sexual preference, and this is something I see too little of in this area. I applaud the Shinglehouse Fire Dept. for stepping up to the plate to help continue this fine program, and I hope the issues of ownership of equipment and the Scouts' achievement records can be resolved in a satisfactory manner.

Anonymous said...

Kudos to the Fire Department for choosing to sign the charter to allow these young men to continue their Boy Scouting. I know that certain people have their religious beliefs,and it is not for me to judge.But to punish everyone for not having the same beliefs that you do? Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.....

Solomon's words for the wise said...

To 9:18--This Life Scout couldn't have expressed it anywhere as well as you have. I heartily agree. Scouting is a wonderful program. I have many happy memories and learned so much. Thank God we were not all cloned alike.
Jim

Anonymous said...

At the Rod and Gun Club in Shinglehouse it is not about what one believes in it is what control they can have over any situation. Next thing you know they will not hold hunter safety courses there as someone taking the test may be gay. I am sad for one gay son of a member. I wonder if we could find out who was there to vote. It would be interesting to find out if this father, a biggie at the Rod and Gun Club voted to oust the Boy Scouts when he has a gay son. Do not hate the sinner just hate the sin. Thank you once again Shinglehouse Fire and Ambulance Department for accepting the Boy Scouts with no prejudice. You once again have shown your dedication to this community. Be prepared to hold the hunter safety courses there soon!

Anonymous said...

If you are against gays and lesbians, you better find a different planet to live on. "Thoses kind" have been around for longer that you can count.

Do you know if your whopper was made by a gay? What about that $20 from the ATM, did a gay touch that? You have a car wreck, now did a gay save your life?

While we may not agree with the lifestyle, we depend upon them just as much as a straight person. Bullying them really wants them to be straight like you now does it?

PS: It sure seems funny how we hate the gays but are egar to tax them and us thier money.

Anonymous said...

So sorry to see Troop 558 come to a end. Many fond memories and life lessons under the leadership of Lynn Kemp.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anybody is against "them". If I don't like somebody I don't want to be around them. Believe it or not folks, young people are influenced by their peers. My own children were forced by teachers in first grade to stand by someone who crapped his pants every day in the lunch line because the teacher said "We have to learn to get along", till we found out and stopped it. Good for the R&G and scout leaaders. "You got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything">

Anonymous said...

Hmmm..it is amazing how people on here can judge the outcome of a vote. From what I hear the Club has 200+ members. Only a dozen are ACTIVE. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on those members that set on their hands and choose to gripe about a vote that they could have participated in. IF only they had taken the time to go to a meeting 6 times out of year, maybe the outcome would have been different. 10:07 and 11:38 are you active members of the Club? No? You should have been, then you could have voted!

Mad Mike said...

I'm agnostic. We'll get that right out of the way before my motives are questioned. I'm also ultra-Conservative. I know that to some of you religious zealots that, that is an oxymoron, but please...try to follow along. I am inclined to fight back against the BSA ruling but not over the reasons you may think.

There should have never been a ruling to begin with. I'm sure there were gay Scouts before it was "okay" to be a gay Scout. You should focus your anger on the politically correct establishment who are forcing a social agenda and making sexual preference an in issue where there should be none.

DADT worked in the military because it took one's sexual preference off the table. Gay and religious activism needs to be left at the grassroots level. Using organizations such as the Scouts and our military, to further either agenda, only hurts the organization.

Your beliefs and your statement of disbanding this troop due to the BSA ruling will have ZERO affect on that ruling. You religious zealots who voted to disband this troop only hurt the children of our community. Nothing more!

Rest assured...I know who you are and so will others. You voted in secrecy whereas all votes prior were done openly. Now that's cowardly.

If you wanted no part of the Boy Scouts due to the ruling, you should have walked away, and made your reasons for doing so known. Some may not have agreed with your reasoning but at least you would have retained some dignity and respect. You may be at a point of no return in that regard. However, one step towards vindication would be to give the equipment, that the local troop worked and raised the money for, back to them.

I was extremely upset at the BSA ruling. They relented to a small group of people forcing their agenda. I believe that homosexuality is an unnatural act. I don't believe that using our schools, our military, or our youth programs to advocate that is proper. In fact, I think it's reprehensible.

I want to thank the Shinglehouse fire department for standing up and giving these fine young men a chance to continue the good that they do. Also for providing a potential alternative to kids who would otherwise have nothing to do. We all know what that can lead to.

To the new Scout leaders, if you do not get back the equipment, that is shamefully being held from you, make it known. I'll be among the first to donate and help put the erroneous ways of some...well behind us.

Mad Mike said...

@ 11:38,

Your analogies and hypothetical scenarios only make sense when one doesn't know the other's sexual orientation.

Again, sexual preference should be left in the bedroom. Period.

The BSA ruling isn't about equality...it's about a group of people forcing their agenda.

Before the ruling and using a page out of your playbook...how did we know that the young man making the Whopper wasn't a gay Scout? We didn't and that's my point.

We don't need to.

Anonymous said...

Keeping a "gay" boy from scouts just may drive him to a life with gangs, drugs, violence, etc. Now where will that get you the tax payer??? Has anyone even thought that if we allow "gay" boys into the scouts surrounded by GOD fearing leaders and boys that maybe the "gay" boy may turn his life around to the "straight" mans way of thinking?

Anonymous said...

I always thought highly of the scouts. Not any more as they have taken up pushing the gay agenda! Sorry but that's how i feel. So i can no longer support their causes.

Anonymous said...

@ 9:30:00 AM EST

I agree with your post over all, but I just want to point one small thing out.

The idea that sexual orientation should be "off the table" leads to inherent discrimination, because if you take it off the table for gays you would also have to take it off the table for straight people. However, straight people in the military are allowed to talk about their spouses. The scouts don't seem to have a problem with people being openly straight, so why should they have a problem with people being openly gay?

See, sexual orientation is about a lot more than just who you have sex with. When a guy introduces you to his wife, or brings her up in conversation, is your first reaction "oh my god, why are you cramming your sexual orientation down my throat?" Probably not, because you understand that a wife or girlfriend means a lot more than just "this person you have sex with."

It goes the same way for gay people. They should be able to live a normal life, out in the open, just like straight people. They shouldn't have to hide who they are just because it offends some people. Their orientation is part of their identity, just like being straight is part of yours. What if somebody told you they would only have you around as long as you gave no indication whatsoever that you might be attracted to women? The bottom line is, sexual orientation is about a lot more than sex.

Finally, affecting change in organization is exactly what activists do. It's part and parcel of what activism is. This is a free country, and people are free to protest, organize, and criticize organizations they disagree with. As long as they aren't running afoul of the law, those organizations are free to change or not. The Boy Scouts were criticized. They listened and they moderated. It doesn't get much more American than that.

Anonymous said...

what is the matter with everyone? This is insane! How many of the R&G people really know a gay person? Has a gay person ever been to their homes. The gay people I know don't have an agenda. Rather they do their best to be good citizens and taxpayers. Their hopes and dreams are no different than ours. Do we forget that Jesus had love for everyone and often associated with people very different from himself. How about a little love, understanding and tolerance of others?

Anonymous said...

there are acknowledged gay people in Shinglehouse. Do you exclude them from your church? From school? Would you refuse them medical care?
The military excluded women and blacks before gays, and the inclusion of all was just a matter of time.
I'm not aware of the scouts asking new scouts what their orientation is, so the scouts themselves probably wouldn't know or even care. It's the parents who haven't evolved to the point of accepting people as God created them.
Pretty bizarre, but hey, it's Potter County PA, so not entirely unexpected.

Anonymous said...

Well everyone knows what this is actually about. It is sad and pathetic that adults will take their own narrow minded homophobic issues out on kids that have only ever helped them. This would bother me much less if the people that voted this in had put in 1/3 the amount of work that those boys have for the rod and gun club. Who is going to be blamed when most of it goes undone now? The only thing to hope for, at this point, is that they are honorable enough to give the new troop all of the equipment that the kids earned. BTW, many of these people are Vets. I wonder if they stopped claiming that title? They allow gays too. Have they pulled their children and grandchildren out of public school? They allow gays also. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Have these men pulled their boys out of scouts? Seeing as one has a child about to make Eagle Scout, I bet he stays till he gets the title. Any takers?

Anonymous said...

Wow RGC members, you really made a point! Shun a bunch of local kids and a very worthy organization because you are afraid of homosexuals. Do you think they are like zombies, they bite you and you turn gay? God is great but religion really sucks.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Millport and have many, many fond memories of scouting under Lynn Kemp's leadership. I, personally, find the actions of the Rod and Gun Club to be reprehensible. Who gives a damn if one of the scouts is gay? Is it affecting you in any way? No. If you choose to use your religion as a reason to be a bigot, maybe your religion is the problem.

Anonymous said...

I love how all of you can sit behind your computers and criticize... If you had cared that much about what the Rod and Gun Club does/votes on in their meetings, maybe you would have became a member, attended more of the club's events and made yourself eligible... Then you could have voted and made yourselves heard and perhaps the club would have kept the charter. Also: Remember who stocks your rivers that you fish every season, because if the Gun Club goes under because of this... It wont happen!!

Jeannie Kerswill said...

Wait, time out on the fish stocking. You just proved you don't know as much as you thought you did. Do you realize who stocked those fish for the club? It has been the Boy Scouts. Check into it. You will see I am correct on that. You are also assuming people have not been to 6 functions. That is not the case for many of them. They just forget to sign the book. That small detail was used to the advantage of the people that wanted this vote to pass.

One of the greatest people I have ever known was my Aunt Katie. Guess what! She was gay. She was a better person on her worst day than these ones are on their best.

Anonymous said...

Where does this say the troop was dissolved because of a gay member? You people are making no sense to me and everyone wants to start drama over nothing...just allow your boys to join the town group. It will be same principles, same ideas, same good qualities instilled in these young men. Quit making mountains out of mole hills!

Anonymous said...

As a once proud eagle scout ( I no longer claim the title since it has been tarnished by the decision to support open homosexual agendas) I can say I knew several homosexual boys in scouting. It was never an issue. Sex was never part of the boy scout program, hetrosexual or homosexual, until political correctness reared it's ugly head. I was also in the military for 22 years of active duty, and the same holds true for that institution. This is only an issue because those who want to change the fundamental morality of our nation have made it an issue. And if you want to see what good has come out of this shift in american morality, just look around. Our nation is in the toilet. Some would say we have turned our back on God, therefore, he has turned his back on us. I'm glad the R&G stood up for something they believed in. But it isn't going to matter, because I truely believe america is in it's last days. Homosexuality is not "normal". Sex is for the purpose of re production, and if your doing it in a way that can't produce offspring, your doing it wrong. Open your eyes, people, and think for a change!



Anonymous said...

I do know more than a lot of you do on the situation. And as a previous comment stated... Where does it say that the charter was dissolved because of a gay member? It wasn't. And as for the fish stocking... There are a lot more people that stock those fish who are NOT boy scouts than boys who ARE scouts. I'm not saying that they didn't help the Gun Club, but don't act like they're the only reason it was in operation. The adults who have put so much time and effort in running the log cabin at the fair, who feed those fish, maintain the nursery... They are more than half of those people. They care about the Club, and some of them were put in a very difficult place by having to vote either way on this issue, when before it was "don't ask, don't tell". That's the way it should be.