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Friday, December 5, 2014

Public Meeting Notice- Cow-deer-sports Downtown Project

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Public Meeting Notice-
Coudersport Downtown Project

A public meeting will convene at the Gunzburger Building’s large auditorium, 1 North Main Street, Coudersport, on Monday, December 8th at 6 pm. 

Alfred Benesch & Company consulting firm will be present to take YOUR input as local business owners and residents for improving the downtown area. 

YOUR INPUT IS CRITICAL TO REFLECT LOCAL VIEWS INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS. 

This is part of the initiative by Coudersport Borough through their Downtown Committee to complete a planning grant for façade and streetscape improvements. 

This is funded in part by a DCED Keystone Planning Grant.

28 comments :

Anonymous said...

Please, stop the madness. Between the county, borough & visitors association how many“consultants” are we up to?
I’ve lost track. You would think we are searching for the Holy Grail.
The “what to do” is not the issue. Drive the consultant to Wellsboro, this is what we want our town to look like more or less, how do we make the people do it?. Our problem is we’re asking the wrong question. We should be asking, Why? Why after umpteen consultants, gurus & zen roadshow masters has nothing happened.

We have some stumbling blocks…

Downtown consists of a fair percentage of service businesses that do not need to attract anyone more than the locals, therefore having a great looking building may not be a high priority.

Granted money is always tight for most of our businesses.

There is no type of historical or code enforcement of standards for main street. Not even a peer to peer critique organization.

It is the major route through the area filled with trucks, so consequently the buildings and the street gets filthy.

There is an overall sense of malaise for some. Things are good enough, why change.

Well, I applaud the people who are trying to make it better & it seems like there may be new energy around. We must leave the slackers and those who always seem to have a chip on their shoulder behind once and for all. Banish them to the ghettos of their minds.Shame on the slackers. All of us building owners should raise our standards and take a step back and ask what can I do to make my building look better and the bold ones will ask their neighbor to critique their building through fresh eyes.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see the street lights raised up a bit to reduce glare when navigating Main Street. But this as any idea on this blog won't count. I must be presented at this up coming meeting.

Anonymous said...

well said...don't need outsiders telling us what to do, it never works, they take the money from "these dumb hillbillies" and run.Get a think tank from the Rotary
and Lions club to do this.

Anonymous said...

I agree more or less with 2:03 a.m. Main Street in Coudersport is narrow, heavy truck traffic laden,dark and snow bound from December through May (if we get lucky and have a mild winter). Anyone who has tried to get from their car to a business and back with kids and packages, having to navigate piles of snow with a path the width of a snow shovel (assuming Irvin has been able to shovel it) knows what I'm talking about. Several businesses do a great job with this though and we all know who they are. The other half of the year presents other issues and challenges. Inconvenient hours, irregular hours, lack of inventory and high prices are some of those. The biggest challenge though has to do with demographics. As our population dwindles and ages, there just aren't as many people to buy the goods and services as in the past. As our economy has tanked and struggled over the past 6 years, disposable income is nearly non-existant for a lot of folks.
The number of paid consultants has been staggering. Whether it is federal, state or county money that pays for these "grants," it is our money. If consultants were the answer we could do away with the commissioners position, save a lot of money and use it to pay the consultants. I disagree though about codes, etc. Businesses and individuals are already stifled by too much government, laws, regulations and taxes.

Anonymous said...

The question keeps getting asked and never answered. WHO VOTED ON THIS HIRING OF THE BENESH COMPANY? Was it the Boro Council? I wish I would have known about this planned hiring so I could have spoke out against it before it was too late. Comments on here about all these consultants exploiting us are right on the point. Look at the Artisan Council. They spent all of their treasury hiring some flake from Pittsburgh to tell them what they already knew and then they were bankrupt. THINK, PEOPLE!

Anonymous said...

To 10:23 this is a borough project and not a county project. I agree on the ridiculous situation of consultant for this consultant for that etc. Way out of hand.

Anonymous said...

Everyone forgets that this is about PENNDOT coming here to resurface the road. All of this other stuff isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. A couple of dreamers who are full of hot air are making a lot of noise. It will just come and go.

Anonymous said...

The comments on here amaze me. The negative attitudes about consultants and not needing outsiders for your businesses...no wonder this town is falling apart! It is this attitude and lack of action by the people, including business owners, that will be the final downfall of Coudersport. You don't even want to try, or go with what is offered you! You will never improve because you don't want to. Your town is turning into a haven of unemployed drug dealers living in buildings that greedy landlords can't rent or sell and so now have become slum lords. Goodbye, Coudersport. Your people are your downfall.

Anonymous said...

Want to see what consultants will do for a little over a hundred thousand dollars. Look at Austin absolutely nothing except tell you it will take about 3-5 million dollars to make it look good!

Anonymous said...

The consultant was hired with County money, not Borough. Maybe the thing to do would be call your officials and ask questions, why, how and when. Get involved

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear to the residence of Coudersport, you paid Zero Dollars and Zero Cents for the Consultants. This is not an initiative by the Coudersport borough. The Borough has no Downtown Committee. The Borough just gave permission for the downtown revitalization committee to use grant money that is available. The grant money is there so we should use it.
ps if you live in the borough, pay taxes in the borough, work in the borough, own a business in the borough, or just care about our borough the meetings are the third Wednesday of the month at 6:30pm at the maintenance building.

joe said...

Your town leaders must be doing something wrong, at least little, do-nothing Kane is getting a convenience store and a McDonalds....At least for a while before they go out of business,, its the thought that counts.

Anonymous said...

Well the consultant was not approved by the county commissioner's either and I know because I just asked. My guess is housing redevelopment agency. They have their fingers in a lot of bloated government things like this. So 1:37 if it is not a inititive by the boro then who is it by? Didn't somebody or other have to vote on hiring this Benesh?

Anonymous said...

"The borough has no Downtown Committee."
WTH?
What IS this committee then?

Anonymous said...

What is the COUDERSPORT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE and what do they do?

Anonymous said...

It could be a money making committee just like the one that formed to do the Austin study! Certain ones got paid with (grant money) wasted taxpayer dollars in other words! Then the so called committee disbanded when everyone's pockets were full and the money ran out! Then we were told it was just grant money that was available so we took it and didn't cost you anything!

Anonymous said...

Okay kids I have read this three times now and I still do not know who is calling this meeting. If it is not the County and not the Borough and not the Chamber of Commerce and not PennDot then who is it?

Anonymous said...

So if like 1:37 wrote this is not a borough committee then why does the notice says this: "This is part of the initiative by Coudersport Borough through their Downtown Committee." There have been articles about this in the paper and they also said it was a Borough project. There has to be some meeting minutes somewhere with a roll call of who voted to do this and who voted to pay the consultants. If you take a look at the Galeton water system and all of it's issues you will see that it is the same consultant. Hmmm. Galeton, the Redevelopment Authority and the dots start to connect.

McElwain Hall said...

I love Coudersport.

Anonymous said...

Wholly cow you dill dines why don't you yank yourself away from your couch and TV for an hour and go ask your questions there?

RD said...

Growing up in Coudersport was a pleasure for me. I left at 18 and joined the service which has given me the opportunity to live and experience many new places. It may no longer be my home, but there are many things I remember, such as: the rise and fall of Adelphia, the new foot bridge near the library, the high school, elementary school, and Carp Park renovations, and many more. The community is capable of great things. You can consider me an outsider now, but I will always have a place in my heart for that town.

There are so many negative comments I see on here, and my thought is that anyone that is trying to improve the community is doing a great civic duty. What the town should consider is more people working together and volunteering their time. Small projects would be a start. Just think of how much a new coat of paint improves even the ugliest of things. The hiring of a consultant may or might not be the correct way to go about it, but someone needs to step up and be in charge of the long list of projects the town needs for revitalization. Remember, if you don't go to the town meetings, hold leaders accountable, and vote, you will be leaving the decisions of the community up to a small group of people. You will no longer have a legitimate reason to complain.

Anonymous said...

This issue has been beaten to death for many years. Using TAXPAYERS money to restore privately owned buildings is not the answer. In the 70's and 80's tax payers monies were used to renovate individually owned buildings in downtown Coudersport. Did that benefit the taxpayer/home owner or want people to shop in Coudersport? Hardly. Did the powers to be give you the taxpayer/ home owner, money to renovate your property?
Many many a consultant(GURUS) have come to Coudersport and give their two cents. Hang flowers and flags on utility poles,plant trees and the list goes on and on. Flowers have been donated and placed on utility poles in downtown Coudersport, beautiful? yes indeed, but did that increase store sales? HARDLY,,,,Did that bring people to town to buy goods,, really??? Wake up !! JOBS, that's right, GOOD PAYING jobs are the answer and desperately needed in the community not to mention in this country. No I don't have the answer on how to bring good paying jobs to this area. But, I can assure you, spending taxpayers money will NOT get people to spend money in downtown Coudersport that they do not have. Wake up people, this is 2014 not 1914. We live in a different world today. The days of the mom and pop store is fast dwindling. The small store owner can no longer compete with the Walmarts, Kmarts, not to mention the online stores Amazon, Ebay etc. The small town shoemaker, butcher, pharmacist, jeweler is a thing of the past. Drive one hour from Coudersport north,south, east or west and you will find a Kmart, Walmart, Weiss, Tops, Aldis, BJ's, Sam's Club, Save A Lot and the list goes on and on. With gas down to $2.99 a gallon do you not think households are not going to drive out of town and get their groceries etc. Children drink gallons of milk a week. 30-35 miles north in Olean NY. milk is 1/2 the price it is locally not to mention,meat,bread,cheese eggs etc. Patronizing locally is one thing, common sence and making the hard earned dollar stretch is another. The same store front owners in downtown Coudersport wanting local support, you will see doing their shopping also out of town. Their is little disposable income for most of the population of Potter county. Go to a boro council meeting or a school board meeting. Get involved, hear what they have to say, ask questions. Did you know because of the low income status, 48% thats right, 48% of our students in Coudersport are eligible to receive free lunch and breakfast. Where were the cops writing parking meter tickets during the Adelphia days. Now you can see them on the streets not once but 2 and 3 times a day writing tickets. Don't blame the officer, blame the elected official(S) you voted for. When it's time to vote for your elected official whether it be commissioner, borough council, school board, planning commission etc. Ask them where they stand on issues. You have elected them to represent you and spend your hard earned tax dollars. People of this community have been strapped with expenses never expected since the fall of Adelphia. I am not opposed in enhancing the look of the downtown but I am opposed in using taxpayers money on privately owned properties with the expectations of increasing sales. The cropping, bobbing, and braiding of a mule will not turn it into a thoroughbred no more then revitalizing the downtown business district will make people spend locally money they don't have. Facts are facts, we live in a new world where competition is heavy and day to day business is done in different way. The WWW is here.

Anonymous said...

To the "critical ones" why all the sudden concern? You have to get off of your couch EACH AND EVERY DAY to
have even a little bit of an inkling as to what goes into trying to maintain and make a community better. It's not something that is taken "lightly" by ANY community leader. Big government is doing a very good job of making it almost impossible for small communities to obtain any kind of funds for improvement. What they want to see is all of the available money being sent to Philadelphia (mainly) and other large cities that have an impact on their standing with voters. People need to SUPPORT their community and GET INVOLVED. If you don't know anything about the surveys or the survey companies then you have NO IDEA of the RED TAPE leaders have to go thru to try to get that money for their community.

Anonymous said...

Okay 10;56 what are we suppose to support? I know PENNdot is going to resurface Route 6 through town and I support that. But if this is not the borough or the county or the chamber of commerce then who is it and what am I suppose to be supporting? I do not feel comfortable supporting a company coming in here to take tax dollars and do the thinking and the planning for us when we should be doing it for ourselves. Look at the Aboretum. That is a real nice place and they didn't hire a bunch of experts from outside of the area to tell them how to do it.

Anonymous said...

Again some nice points on here. However no one runs for any of the boards that are elected, its hard enough to fill with people willing to volenteer. And again it's not tax payer money that is going in this project that has not already be allocated for revitalization. AKA the money is there use it or someone else will. You will never get rid of wasteful spending/ pork whatever you want to call it, it's here no matter what. We might as well use the pork here.

Anonymous said...

Poster 5:39:00, look at Galeton as a bad example? Are you nuts?! Galeton has done 10 times better at revitalizing itself than Coudersport or any other town around!! Do you know the story behind their water/sewage project? If you don't, then don't comment. The negative comments on here just prove the fact that the residents of Coudersport are unwilliing to really do ANYTHING to help their town. Again, goodbye, Coudersport.

Anonymous said...

Dec 5th @7:38 I just wanted to say great comment. I agree 100% with everything you said! I would love to support my local stores and shops! But when I can get twice as much food at Aldis or Walmart for the same price I would pay in town. It's just not economically possible for most families. I know I won't make my family suffer just to support a downtown business.

Anonymous said...

Catch 22:

More need to buy local for the stores to be able to buy in bulk and sell cheaper to customers.

Currently, not enough buy local for this to happen. When money is tight, Mom and Pop stores suffer.